The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[Magic_Kingdom]

Without going back to read the draft night threads, I would assume most on this board expected a lot more from Suggs. He was the steal of the draft, the point guard of the future, the team leader we needed. Let's face it, he's been disappointing. He's not even starting at PG, and he's really been gifted the starting SG spot over Harris despite being the worst shooter on the team. We don't know what his future will be, but if they did a re-draft poll of the league's GM's at the end of the season, how many would take Suggs over Giddey?

No doubt he's behind where many expected but to say he was gifted the PG spot isn't true given that Cole was next to him as the primary ball handler. I'm suggesting that we DO actually "gift it to him" right now and see where it goes. He's not enough of a shooter to be a pure SG...I think he's got a good head on his shoulders and an UNSELFISH WINNER's nature - along with his physical profile and (hopefully) developing skills. I say give him the ball rather than plug him in where he doesn't belong.

I think you misunderstood my post because we’re saying the same thing. I said they gifted him the SG post, not the PG post. I agree that if they envision him as the PG of the future then they should just start him there now and see what develops.

[Xatticus]

Without going back to read the draft night threads, I would assume most on this board expected a lot more from Suggs. He was the steal of the draft, the point guard of the future, the team leader we needed. Let's face it, he's been disappointing. He's not even starting at PG, and he's really been gifted the starting SG spot over Harris despite being the worst shooter on the team. We don't know what his future will be, but if they did a re-draft poll of the league's GM's at the end of the season, how many would take Suggs over Giddey?

No doubt he's behind where many expected but to say he was gifted the PG spot isn't true given that Cole was next to him as the primary ball handler. I'm suggesting that we DO actually "gift it to him" right now and see where it goes. He's not enough of a shooter to be a pure SG...I think he's got a good head on his shoulders and an UNSELFISH WINNER's nature - along with his physical profile and (hopefully) developing skills. I say give him the ball rather than plug him in where he doesn't belong.

I think you misunderstood my post because we’re saying the same thing. I said they gifted him the SG post, not the PG post. I agree that if they envision him as the PG of the future then they should just start him there now and see what develops.

No. They haven't gifted him anything. He is very good at many things on a basketball court right now. The issue is that a lot of people think you can boil the totality of basketball down to shooting percentages. He is a breath of fresh air for me after watching the past nine years of Orlando Magic basketball.

[KillMonger]

No doubt he's behind where many expected but to say he was gifted the PG spot isn't true given that Cole was next to him as the primary ball handler. I'm suggesting that we DO actually "gift it to him" right now and see where it goes. He's not enough of a shooter to be a pure SG...I think he's got a good head on his shoulders and an UNSELFISH WINNER's nature - along with his physical profile and (hopefully) developing skills. I say give him the ball rather than plug him in where he doesn't belong.

I think you misunderstood my post because we’re saying the same thing. I said they gifted him the SG post, not the PG post. I agree that if they envision him as the PG of the future then they should just start him there now and see what develops.

No. They haven't gifted him anything. He is very good at many things on a basketball court right now. The issue is that a lot of people think you can boil the totality of basketball down to shooting percentages. He is a breath of fresh air for me after watching the past nine years of Orlando Magic basketball.

same frame of mind...he's showing enough flashes to make me very optimistic for his future.....plays both ends with energy....has the toughness/dog mentality....year 1 has been successful to me so far depending on your expectations

[pepe1991]

its not like he spent years at college and had a lot of time to develop new stuff. In reality, he had about 3 months to really work on his game before the season started. again, rookie player, never fully devoted to basketball so ill give him another year or to before passing final judgement. This need to judge rookies so quickly (by many people, not just you) still surprises me. there are many examples of players that needed a couple of years of seasoning. Eric Bledsoe who you compared him to is an example.

He had as much preparation time as Mobley, Barnes, Wagner or anybody else in that class.

Today almost nobody has "couple of years" to figure out.
Hampton is closer to not having 4th year picked than being awarded starting job to figure out.
Dennis Smith lasted 3 years before he started to bounce around.
Bender- 3 years and out
Culver- already out of nba
Cam Reddish - two teams, marginal role.

Now it's possible that Orlando sucks for next 3 years and continue to invest time into dead horse ( Mo Bamba syndrome, blame everybody but player for everything) but serious nba teams won't waste years to figure somebody isn't good.

This may, or may not be case with Suggs, and i already said i don't have cristal ball to know future, but right now he is one of the worst shootes at guard positions in nba. And on top of that ,he isn't even very good playmaker. That's objective reality.

As i said above, for what i care, he might become Steph Curry next year.

For sake of argument, i wanted him over Barnes & thought he is excellent pickup. Half of year later i just don't have need to defend my previous opinions because he simply is playing bad basketball. Just like i'm fine with being wrong about Franz, who is exeeding expetations by long margin. And i'm happy to be wrong about it. just like i will be happy if Suggs "proves me wrong". But much like it was case with Fultz & his shooting and Payton and everything about him, i struggle to see that scenario as objective one.
You don't go mediocre highschool shooter, mediocre college shooter, dreadful nba rookie shooter into Dame Lillard. it doesn't work like that.

none of those players spent formative years playing 2 sports at an extremely high level (enough that he also had football scholarship offers). Wagner played professional club basketball in Germany before going to Michigan. So his development is different. And you can have a year or 2 to figure out it, because not all players spend 3-4 years in college working on their game. practically every player is draft nowadays on potential. Of the top-10 in last years draft, only 1 Junior. everyone else drafted on their potential. You have to give players a year or to with coaching to enable that potential. Except for future HOF's, many times it is about situation. As you have pointed out before. Kuminga or Barnes on the Magic would have been a train wreck. But with them on veteran teams, they can learn to play winning ball.

whatever, i fell back into this cycle of your statistical criticism of a rookie, while not allowing that a player can improve. Does Suggs improve? Well, he knows that he needs to work on his shot, so i will reserve judgement on him until i see him next year and if he spent the offseason working on his shot. By all accounts, he is a gym rat so i think he will put in the time. But just putting in the time doesnt guarantee success, so i will just have to wait and see

Westbrook is definition of gym rat but guess who's jumpshot actually regressed over time?
Shooting for guard isn't something that can easly be fixed. If you are off ball wing who gets 60% of shots up from catch&shoot and you have guys setting you up for corener 3s than being gym rat potentially can solve some of your shooting issues because your shooting is basically repeating same motion over and over again under same circumstances. (PJ Tucker who shoots almost nothing but corner 3s)
But being playmaker means you will be all over the floor and nobody will be there to create shots for you.
Luka, Harden, Trae are assisted on sub 25% of threes they make and below 20% twos. Opposte of some Huerter on 80% or center Capela on 76%.

Guard has to be good shooter, this isn't rocket science. Also teaching guard how to shoot, since most of his shots are not created by others is way harder than teaching one Jonathan Kuminga how not to be worthless if he gets ball in corner and nobody is 15 feet from him.

Just to have some tengable visuals of what i'm trying to say, this is Chris Paul shot chart



Very little 3s he get are corner 3s, most shots he makes are fairly identical in terms of efficiency. You can make healthy conclusion Chris Paul is average outside shooter and above average mid range shooter.
For career, 11% of all his twos were assited and 42,6% threes.

This is Huerter's shot chart, he is catch& shoot player and heavily assited on most of his attemps .He is career above average outside shooter and mid range isn't often part of his shooting, mostly because nba teams rarley run set plays for mid range shots.



For career Huerter is assisted on 45,5% twos and 84% threes


Jalen Suggs shot chart is all around red. He does not have single spot on the floor where he is even average nba shooter. Desciption below picture i will post is: floor is lava from Ringer, making fun of his shooting


34% of all his twos are assisted, and 64,8% for 3


One of logical solutions going forward is to do what teams did to Lonzo ( Bulls , Pelicans) . They made him set peace 3 point shooter only. Lonzo Ball entered nba being 3-16 from mid range at college. He never had that in him. Today, 5 years later, Lonzo Ball shoots no mid range shots whatsoever and most 3s he gets up are set peaces for him to be catch&shoot. Now, difference here is fact that Lonzo is much taller than average PG ( 6'7) and fact he spent whole career with at least 1 star player ( Lebron, Ingram, Derozan, Lavine, Vuc, Zion....) so he had more opportunities for those shots than he normally would if he played on worst teams.
Lonzo's shot chart is hilarius, it's like a glitch. He either goes for layups or shoot 3s.

This is his rookie chart



And this is his shot chart nowdays



One of reasons why this works for him comes from fact that teams gave up on idea of building teams around him years ago. He is complimentary peace, very good one for what he does, but nobody views him as guy who can be best or second best player on a team, including probably him, that's why he adjusted his game so he can be elite role player.

I'm not going to harp on Suggs for rest of a year and much like everybody else i will sit down and wait what he can do in offseason. I don't really care that he played other sport and "didn't have time" for basketball. That's his time menagment and his problem. I don't remember Spurs fans needing excuse for rookie Duncan becaue he wanted to become Olympic swimmer. Oh hell, Kris Humpries at one point held USA youth swimming record...
My issue at February 22, 2022 with Suggs is same issue i have with Fultz and i had with Payton. It's 2022 and your point guard can't shoot. Simple yet huge problem. Solvable? I don't know. Am i optimist about him being able to solve it, knowing most players can't ? Not really. But like i said to Skybox , i'm not "giving up on him", i'm not his parent. For all i know & care, he might get traded to Kings first day in offseason. I was never fan of players but team. So to me , they come, they go.

[p0peye]

We as a franchise have been unable to draft a single shooter in 10 years, in a league where shooting has become premium. It's hilarious when you think about it.

[tooler]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

[tiderulz]

I'm not going to harp on Suggs for rest of a year and much like everybody else i will sit down and wait what he can do in offseason. I don't really care that he played other sport and "didn't have time" for basketball. That's his time menagment and his problem. I don't remember Spurs fans needing excuse for rookie Duncan becaue he wanted to become Olympic swimmer. Oh hell, Kris Humpries at one point held USA youth swimming record...
My issue at February 22, 2022 with Suggs is same issue i have with Fultz and i had with Payton. It's 2022 and your point guard can't shoot. Simple yet huge problem. Solvable? I don't know. Am i optimist about him being able to solve it, knowing most players can't ? Not really. But like i said to Skybox , i'm not "giving up on him", i'm not his parent. For all i know & care, he might get traded to Kings first day in offseason. I was never fan of players but team. So to me , they come, they go.

oh, so we are comparing Suggs to a hall of famer now? Tim Duncan as a freshman, 10 pts, 10 reb 4 bpg.

Tim also didnt split his time in highschool, he stopped swimming in 9th grade. So he spent his time solely on basketball. and then 4 years of college

I'm not going to harp on Suggs for rest of a year

[Horcy]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

He's such a waste of effort...I can imagine the 90% of us scrolling down when we see those endless posts without paying attention to a single word.
But at the end of the day we need to understand what he is, a hater. And a pretty narcissistic one.

[thelead]

I want to see Suggs playing free of pressure like he did on Friday. Yes, it was an exhibition game but that one cross-over step back 3 was somewhat guarded and he made it look effortless. We don’t need that type of shot but please, just hit your open 3’s

[pepe1991]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

If Jalen Suggs plays for 29 other teams general consensus about his rookie year from this forum would be -he sucks, we dodged a bullet.
But since he joined favorite team of yours, people have incredible need to defend undefendable.

Somebody in nba who shoots 22,8% for 3, who shoots sub 40% mid range, who has -8 net rating, who has historiclly low efficiency ( Mudiay, Exum historic), who makes rookie MCW look like prime Steph Curry in terms of efficiency & scoring maybe, just maybe isn't as good as you hoped he will be when you used 5th pick to draft him?

There are things that are subjective in life, such are: taste of pizza with pineapple on.
There are things that are not subjective in life such is being 10% below league's average in just about every efficiency metric.

Plays defense, pesky defender, good at ball pressure, not exponentionally advanced passer, mediocre ballhandler, very bad shooter. Who did i described? Rookie Michael Carter Williams or Suggs? And if difference is non, why we pretend there is one?

YoU aRE HaTeR. Why? Because i call somebody that looks like poop, smells like a poop, plays like a poop- s**t ?
How did my harping on Bamba aged ? Suprise suprise, 4 years later " HaTeR PePe" was right. I'm yet to recive apologizes for people who called me hater. Guys, feel free to do so whenever you feel. Hell, there is one poster, who knows well who he is, who said Bamba is more talented than Vuc
How did my harping on Payton aged? Two moderators losing their ***t over him for 3 years.
Last year i had huge fight with one poster about Cole Anthony not being starting level guard in nba. Well...that aged well.
Two years ago how many people attacked me for saying Fultz is broken and won't regain his shot? Any apoligizes for being wrong ? Nah.
My description of Okeke as "bench Ariza" was met with lot of hate. Guess who can't start on worst team in nba?
Any apologizes for being blocked in debates that Gordon isn't next star player Magic are waiting for?
One year of life wasted on endless debates can and should Isaac play SF. (can't, shouldn't , didn't).

This is what this forum normally does. They blow player out of proportion, portray young players in fashion that outside would think they talk about young Jordan, than after they are proven to be wrong, they move to adore and worship new shiny toy and never talk about things they said about previous player in past.
Unlike that modus operandi of forum i will say what i think about player like he is not part of my team. Sometimes i will be wrong, sometimes i will be right. But i don't hide from mistakes. But i also don't think every player that puts jersey on Magic will have He-man transformation from Wes Iwundu to Jimmy Butler ( of f*** it, even that was a thing after we drafted him )

Why you will never see me or anybody with any basketball knowledge being Franz "hater" ? Because guy is simply good. Being hater meaning having no reason to "hate" on somebody or something yet doing so. Calling very,very,very bad rookie -bad isn't being hater, it's being honest. Something most fans from this forum, when it comes to subject, simply aren't.

Of f*** it , this is my last post about him for calendar year 2022. I'm just tired of this s*** repeating itself over and over again. I really have better things in my life in free time to do than debate how player who shoots 36,7% FG, 22,8 for 3 and has no mid range game , has -5,2 BPM, negative net rating, awful PER, is among worst gaurds in nba by TS% won't have miracle summer where he will return and become elite at everything. Especially because he struggles with basics for guards like pick&roll, passing, floor vision.

[KillMonger]

has better things to do and yet had the time to post that diatribe....well let's put a pin in this and revisit in year 3....i think we can all agree it's a bit too soon one way or the other.....much like many things magic related is a work in progress

[Skybox]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

He's such a waste of effort...I can imagine the 90% of us scrolling down when we see those endless posts without paying attention to a single word.
But at the end of the day we need to understand what he is, a hater. And a pretty narcissistic one.

I think it's weird that we (me included) spend so much time analyzing a fellow poster. I can see the work put in and the analysis. I'd truly be interested in something proactive is all I'm saying...it's a lot easier to critique the past than to make suggestions or pick a horse.

[Magic_Kingdom]

No doubt he's behind where many expected but to say he was gifted the PG spot isn't true given that Cole was next to him as the primary ball handler. I'm suggesting that we DO actually "gift it to him" right now and see where it goes. He's not enough of a shooter to be a pure SG...I think he's got a good head on his shoulders and an UNSELFISH WINNER's nature - along with his physical profile and (hopefully) developing skills. I say give him the ball rather than plug him in where he doesn't belong.

I think you misunderstood my post because we’re saying the same thing. I said they gifted him the SG post, not the PG post. I agree that if they envision him as the PG of the future then they should just start him there now and see what develops.

No. They haven't gifted him anything. He is very good at many things on a basketball court right now. The issue is that a lot of people think you can boil the totality of basketball down to shooting percentages. He is a breath of fresh air for me after watching the past nine years of Orlando Magic basketball.

I like a lot of things Suggs does too, but if he can't learn to shoot, then he likely wasn't worth the #5 pick in a strong draft, especially if he's going to play 2-guard. A defensive-minded guard who plays hard every night but can be left open near the 3-point line sounds great in the mid to late first round.

The Magic gave WeltHam one more chance to tear the whole thing down and start over. With their draft record since they've been in Orlando, they weren't looking for Marcus Smart.

[p0peye]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

He's such a waste of effort...I can imagine the 90% of us scrolling down when we see those endless posts without paying attention to a single word.
But at the end of the day we need to understand what he is, a hater. And a pretty narcissistic one.

I think it's weird that we (me included) spend so much time analyzing a fellow poster. I can see the work put in and the analysis. I'd truly be interested in something proactive is all I'm saying...it's a lot easier to critique the past than to make suggestions or pick a horse.

It might be a cultural thing for both Pepe and me, as well some other Balkan posters. As we grow up, we are raised to be focused on things we need to improve. If you have a math test and get 9/10 right, teachers and parents in Balkan harp on that one mistake we made, almost as if we failed the test. For example, in Ireland where we moved now kids get praised if they got 6/10. A real positive game changer for my children, though I am worried here they are not studying enough nor striving to be best as they can.

That being said, pepe is not wrong in assessment of where Suggs sits at, there's a long road for him to improve to be either SG or PG.

[bigdogdylan5]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

If Jalen Suggs plays for 29 other teams general consensus about his rookie year from this forum would be -he sucks, we dodged a bullet.
But since he joined favorite team of yours, people have incredible need to defend undefendable.

Somebody in nba who shoots 22,8% for 3, who shoots sub 40% mid range, who has -8 net rating, who has historiclly low efficiency ( Mudiay, Exum historic), who makes rookie MCW look like prime Steph Curry in terms of efficiency & scoring maybe, just maybe isn't as good as you hoped he will be when you used 5th pick to draft him?

There are things that are subjective in life, such are: taste of pizza with pineapple on.
There are things that are not subjective in life such is being 10% below league's average in just about every efficiency metric.

Plays defense, pesky defender, good at ball pressure, not exponentionally advanced passer, mediocre ballhandler, very bad shooter. Who did i described? Rookie Michael Carter Williams or Suggs? And if difference is non, why we pretend there is one?

YoU aRE HaTeR. Why? Because i call somebody that looks like poop, smells like a poop, plays like a poop- s**t ?
How did my harping on Bamba aged ? Suprise suprise, 4 years later " HaTeR PePe" was right. I'm yet to recive apologizes for people who called me hater. Guys, feel free to do so whenever you feel. Hell, there is one poster, who knows well who he is, who said Bamba is more talented than Vuc
How did my harping on Payton aged? Two moderators losing their ***t over him for 3 years.
Last year i had huge fight with one poster about Cole Anthony not being starting level guard in nba. Well...that aged well.
Two years ago how many people attacked me for saying Fultz is broken and won't regain his shot? Any apoligizes for being wrong ? Nah.
My description of Okeke as "bench Ariza" was met with lot of hate. Guess who can't start on worst team in nba?
Any apologizes for being blocked in debates that Gordon isn't next star player Magic are waiting for?
One year of life wasted on endless debates can and should Isaac play SF. (can't, shouldn't , didn't).

This is what this forum normally does. They blow player out of proportion, portray young players in fashion that outside would think they talk about young Jordan, than after they are proven to be wrong, they move to adore and worship new shiny toy and never talk about things they said about previous player in past.
Unlike that modus operandi of forum i will say what i think about player like he is not part of my team. Sometimes i will be wrong, sometimes i will be right. But i don't hide from mistakes. But i also don't think every player that puts jersey on Magic will have He-man transformation from Wes Iwundu to Jimmy Butler ( of f*** it, even that was a thing after we drafted him )

Why you will never see me or anybody with any basketball knowledge being Franz "hater" ? Because guy is simply good. Being hater meaning having no reason to "hate" on somebody or something yet doing so. Calling very,very,very bad rookie -bad isn't being hater, it's being honest. Something most fans from this forum, when it comes to subject, simply aren't.

Of f*** it , this is my last post about him for calendar year 2022. I'm just tired of this s*** repeating itself over and over again. I really have better things in my life in free time to do than debate how player who shoots 36,7% FG, 22,8 for 3 and has no mid range game , has -5,2 BPM, negative net rating, awful PER, is among worst gaurds in nba by TS% won't have miracle summer where he will return and become elite at everything. Especially because he struggles with basics for guards like pick&roll, passing, floor vision.

Pepe come on man… I don’t think it’s unreasonable to give him time to develop before we call him Exum or Mudiay. Rookie guards can struggle.

[bigdogdylan5]

Also Ringer NBA show recent show is worth listening a lot of magic talk. They talk Suggs and Franz as a potential all star. There are some positives that some people will choos to ignore

[nicnac215]

I'm imagining a world where pepe uses his uh, passion, toward something positive and good. I was thinking the other day how pleasant it would be if all this effort was spent talking about how good Franz has been.

If Jalen Suggs plays for 29 other teams general consensus about his rookie year from this forum would be -he sucks, we dodged a bullet.
But since he joined favorite team of yours, people have incredible need to defend undefendable.

Somebody in nba who shoots 22,8% for 3, who shoots sub 40% mid range, who has -8 net rating, who has historiclly low efficiency ( Mudiay, Exum historic), who makes rookie MCW look like prime Steph Curry in terms of efficiency & scoring maybe, just maybe isn't as good as you hoped he will be when you used 5th pick to draft him?

There are things that are subjective in life, such are: taste of pizza with pineapple on.
There are things that are not subjective in life such is being 10% below league's average in just about every efficiency metric.

Plays defense, pesky defender, good at ball pressure, not exponentionally advanced passer, mediocre ballhandler, very bad shooter. Who did i described? Rookie Michael Carter Williams or Suggs? And if difference is non, why we pretend there is one?

YoU aRE HaTeR. Why? Because i call somebody that looks like poop, smells like a poop, plays like a poop- s**t ?
How did my harping on Bamba aged ? Suprise suprise, 4 years later " HaTeR PePe" was right. I'm yet to recive apologizes for people who called me hater. Guys, feel free to do so whenever you feel. Hell, there is one poster, who knows well who he is, who said Bamba is more talented than Vuc
How did my harping on Payton aged? Two moderators losing their ***t over him for 3 years.
Last year i had huge fight with one poster about Cole Anthony not being starting level guard in nba. Well...that aged well.
Two years ago how many people attacked me for saying Fultz is broken and won't regain his shot? Any apoligizes for being wrong ? Nah.
My description of Okeke as "bench Ariza" was met with lot of hate. Guess who can't start on worst team in nba?
Any apologizes for being blocked in debates that Gordon isn't next star player Magic are waiting for?
One year of life wasted on endless debates can and should Isaac play SF. (can't, shouldn't , didn't).

This is what this forum normally does. They blow player out of proportion, portray young players in fashion that outside would think they talk about young Jordan, than after they are proven to be wrong, they move to adore and worship new shiny toy and never talk about things they said about previous player in past.
Unlike that modus operandi of forum i will say what i think about player like he is not part of my team. Sometimes i will be wrong, sometimes i will be right. But i don't hide from mistakes. But i also don't think every player that puts jersey on Magic will have He-man transformation from Wes Iwundu to Jimmy Butler ( of f*** it, even that was a thing after we drafted him )

Why you will never see me or anybody with any basketball knowledge being Franz "hater" ? Because guy is simply good. Being hater meaning having no reason to "hate" on somebody or something yet doing so. Calling very,very,very bad rookie -bad isn't being hater, it's being honest. Something most fans from this forum, when it comes to subject, simply aren't.

Of f*** it , this is my last post about him for calendar year 2022. I'm just tired of this s*** repeating itself over and over again. I really have better things in my life in free time to do than debate how player who shoots 36,7% FG, 22,8 for 3 and has no mid range game , has -5,2 BPM, negative net rating, awful PER, is among worst gaurds in nba by TS% won't have miracle summer where he will return and become elite at everything. Especially because he struggles with basics for guards like pick&roll, passing, floor vision.

The fact the Suggs can impact the game despite how dreadful his offense has been is a light at the end of the tunnel. I am very unimpressed with Suggs’ offense but there is a chance he can become a complete player. Let's cheer him on, encourage the development, and hope for the best.

[Optimus_Steel]

We as a franchise have been unable to draft a single shooter in 10 years, in a league where shooting has become premium. It's hilarious when you think about it.

How long has Alex Martins been running the Magic? Coincidence?????

[PrimeThyme]

If Jalen Suggs plays for 29 other teams general consensus about his rookie year from this forum would be -he sucks, we dodged a bullet

I disagree with this. Of all the guards drafted inside the top 6 Jalen green is the only one I can definitively say I’m concerned about. It really has nothing to do with his shooting either, but rather with the lack of everything else he brings to the court.

I can see a clear pathway where Cade, Giddey, and Suggs 3-4 years from now will be playing meaningful roles on a playoff team. In the draft I was high on all 3, && all 3’s game has translated in most areas how I thought it would. That is, except for the shooting. Fwiw, not a single one of those guards is shooting remotely close to average from 3pt range right now.

That doesn’t concern me though. All of them have had games and moments this season that I can point to and say that’s why he was drafted there and that’s why he’s going to be a damn good player in this league.

All of them..except for Green. I’m pretty out on him, && would be mightily concerned and vocalizing it if he played for us. Though he still probably projects to be the best shooter of the bunch, I can’t see the impact. He’s arguably been one of the worst rotational players in the league this year and he’s going to have to make some serious leaps in his game like Lavine did if he ever wants to become close to that level of player.

[tiderulz]

He's such a waste of effort...I can imagine the 90% of us scrolling down when we see those endless posts without paying attention to a single word.
But at the end of the day we need to understand what he is, a hater. And a pretty narcissistic one.

I think it's weird that we (me included) spend so much time analyzing a fellow poster. I can see the work put in and the analysis. I'd truly be interested in something proactive is all I'm saying...it's a lot easier to critique the past than to make suggestions or pick a horse.

It might be a cultural thing for both Pepe and me, as well some other Balkan posters. As we grow up, we are raised to be focused on things we need to improve. If you have a math test and get 9/10 right, teachers and parents in Balkan harp on that one mistake we made, almost as if we failed the test. For example, in Ireland where we moved now kids get praised if they got 6/10. A real positive game changer for my children, though I am worried here they are not studying enough nor striving to be best as they can.

That being said, pepe is not wrong in assessment of where Suggs sits at, there's a long road for him to improve to be either SG or PG.

i dont think anyone is happy with where Suggs is right now, nor where he was when the season started, and no one has said they are happy with him. is there a reason to repeat it ad nauseum? and he has a history of judging players in their rookie year. whether he was right or wrong, not every player is their best version 40 games into their career.

But Suggs was a consensus top-4 pick. yes, draft experts get it wrong a lot, but it is what it is. kid had 1 year of college, split time between basketball and football. I think the questions about his jump shot going into the draft are now a major weakness. The kid isnt unmotivated like quite a few draft picks (looking at you Bamba), so i want to give him an offseason to work on his shot and ball handling before passing my own judgement.