Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VIII)

[kman1023]

Just a trade thought that came to me. I haven't been able to check trade machines or whatever but here's the skeleton (depends on many hypothetical situations but what the heck)

Dwight to LA for Bynum and Gasol

We in turn flip Gasol (Some extra fillers) to Thunder (give Durant a good low post scorer to go a lone with Perkins)

Thunder ship out Westbrook

LA gets Howard
Thunder get Gasol

Magic get Westbrook/Bynum (which would be an amazing young core to build around assuming Bynum can stand up straight.)
In the process we get younger, and add size/versatility.

Just thoughts, doesn't mean I expect it to happen (on any level)

[rcklsscognition]

Somebody mentioned this before, but it's unfortunate with Dwight's book and his location next to Disney World, that he hasn't got involved in children's stuff more. I blame Fegan, although Dwight probably wants to do serious acting or something.

[ChosenSavior]

i'm getting tired of people talking about endorsements man like going to NY guarantees you'll become an icon it doesn't....I mean is Amare or Melo any bigger than they were on their old teams? Maybe not yet but i don't see any change...As far as Dwight is concerned i don't think he can get any bigger than he can now imo...He has Adidas....He has Gatorade...He has Mcdonalds...He was on the cover of Nba Live which millions of people bought...What more does he want? Burger King? Taco Bell? man i don't know....At this point all i care about is our team and winning...hopefully Dwight and the team can come together and we can go on one last run and if that can happen then it can end on a good note...

Agreed.

[The Real Dalic]

i'm getting tired of people talking about endorsements man like going to NY guarantees you'll become an icon it doesn't....I mean is Amare or Melo any bigger than they were on their old teams? Maybe not yet but i don't see any change...As far as Dwight is concerned i don't think he can get any bigger than he can now imo...He has Adidas....He has Gatorade...He has Mcdonalds...He was on the cover of Nba Live which millions of people bought...What more does he want? Burger King? Taco Bell? man i don't know....At this point all i care about is our team and winning...hopefully Dwight and the team can come together and we can go on one last run and if that can happen then it can end on a good note...

Agreed.

[HoraceGrant]

I like the idea of Westbrook, not that they would do it...but I am still terrified of Bynum. I feel like he will never play more than 65 games a season.

[MagicFan41]

Yes we are discussing one year, but that one year would be the starting contract of a 3rd max deal that you say he would accept at the end of his 2nd max contract, making the extra year (5th) irrelevant. Come on now. I know you want to win your argument, but please stop playing stupid.

And thanks for side stepping my question when obviously there is no answer. In fact I can't think of one player who has gotten back to back to back max contracts in their career. Howard might be the first, but the odds aren't in his favor for the reasons I have stated, again the common sense reasons why 99% of the time the players go with the most money for the most years.

He would have to opt-out at the end of his 5-yr contract regardless in order to get the next big contract. So all that matters is that last year. If he had been injured, he would've been injured by then anyways. By YOUR logic, he would've already signed the extension in case he gets injured this year. Because you want the guaranteed money right away right? So, since you're so on point with all of these "players' perspectives"....at what point do you decide the trade-off is for one more year vs guaranteed money right now (like in Dwight's case when he decided not to sign the extension that's on the table)? Hmmmmmm? What did you do during your max-contract, Mr NBA?

As for responding to your question about max level deals back-to-back, I shouldn't dignify that with a response, because for like the 5th response in a row, you've completely missed my point, and you aren't going to get it at any point soon it seems. So I will give it one more shot:

You ask Dwight: "Dwight, you have the option of playing where you want, with one of your buddies, who is a top 2-3 PG in the league in the biggest city in the country....or with a hall of famer, one of the greatest of all time, in a city where you can be a big clown like you like to, and star in movies too! You can either do one of these and make $80 million, with a good chance you will get another $25 million the following year OR....you can stay in Orlando in your current situation, which you don't seem to like much, and be guaranteed $135 million...oh btw...you already have probably over $100 million in the bank....which would you rather do?"

I can guess his response. You're probably gonna find it out too, in about 6 months. Oh wait, no, you probably won't.....because hopefully the FO isn't thinking like you. BTW, Shaq turned down Orlando's final offer back in the day of more guaranteed money as well to go to LA. Oh right, but "Dwight isn't Shaq". You win.

[SolidSnake008]

Somebody mentioned this before, but it's unfortunate with Dwight's book and his location next to Disney World, that he hasn't got involved in children's stuff more. I blame Fegan, although Dwight probably wants to do serious acting or something.

Word? then he needs to stick to his day job because Acting is not his cup of tea....He comes off real fake and forced...needs lessons....But when is he going to have time for Acting when he doing Endorsement commercials for Coggin Honda of New York and Roto Rooter

[MagicFan41]

...oh....NOT to mention, after this year, if he were to then sign his 5 yr contract next summer....that would be 6 years after this CBA agreement, which it just so happens, is the time for our next fun LOCKOUT. So with all of THAT uncertainty....just like last year....wouldn't he maybe want to prefer signing the 4 yr deal, THEN re-upping with that team for an extra 5 guaranteed years before the lockout kicks in (sort of like what Melo did last year, and ended up getting PAID compared to these new contracts)??

If he waits until the end of that 6th year, then the lockout hits....then he might not be able to get that same long, lucrative contract. You probably didn't think that far ahead?

[jadewbj]

i'm getting tired of people talking about endorsements man like going to NY guarantees you'll become an icon it doesn't....I mean is Amare or Melo any bigger than they were on their old teams? Maybe not yet but i don't see any change...As far as Dwight is concerned i don't think he can get any bigger than he can now imo...He has Adidas....He has Gatorade...He has Mcdonalds...He was on the cover of Nba Live which millions of people bought...What more does he want? Burger King? Taco Bell? man i don't know....At this point all i care about is our team and winning...hopefully Dwight and the team can come together and we can go on one last run and if that can happen then it can end on a good note...

Plus call of duty, ed hardy and hes on a cartoon.

[rcklsscognition]

Somebody mentioned this before, but it's unfortunate with Dwight's book and his location next to Disney World, that he hasn't got involved in children's stuff more. I blame Fegan, although Dwight probably wants to do serious acting or something.

Word? then he needs to stick to his day job because Acting is not his cup of tea....He comes off real fake and forced...needs lessons....But when is he going to have time for Acting when he doing Endorsement commercials for Coggin Honda of New York and Roto Rooter

At his next autograph session we need to get someone in there to try and get a fake "Kazaam 2.0" script signed by him.

[jadewbj]

Yes we are discussing one year, but that one year would be the starting contract of a 3rd max deal that you say he would accept at the end of his 2nd max contract, making the extra year (5th) irrelevant. Come on now. I know you want to win your argument, but please stop playing stupid.

And thanks for side stepping my question when obviously there is no answer. In fact I can't think of one player who has gotten back to back to back max contracts in their career. Howard might be the first, but the odds aren't in his favor for the reasons I have stated, again the common sense reasons why 99% of the time the players go with the most money for the most years.

He would have to opt-out at the end of his 5-yr contract regardless in order to get the next big contract. So all that matters is that last year. If he had been injured, he would've been injured by then anyways. By YOUR logic, he would've already signed the extension in case he gets injured this year. Because you want the guaranteed money right away right? So, since you're so on point with all of these "players' perspectives"....at what point do you decide the trade-off is for one more year vs guaranteed money right now (like in Dwight's case when he decided not to sign the extension that's on the table)? Hmmmmmm? What did you do during your max-contract, Mr NBA?

As for responding to your question about max level deals back-to-back, I shouldn't dignify that with a response, because for like the 5th response in a row, you've completely missed my point, and you aren't going to get it at any point soon it seems. So I will give it one more shot:

You ask Dwight: "Dwight, you have the option of playing where you want, with one of your buddies, who is a top 2-3 PG in the league in the biggest city in the country....or with a hall of famer, one of the greatest of all time, in a city where you can be a big clown like you like to, and star in movies too! You can either do one of these and make $80 million, with a good chance you will get another $25 million the following year OR....you can stay in Orlando in your current situation, which you don't seem to like much, and be guaranteed $135 million...oh btw...you already have probably over $100 million in the bank....which would you rather do?"

I can guess his response. You're probably gonna find it out too, in about 6 months. Oh wait, no, you probably won't.....because hopefully the FO isn't thinking like you. BTW, Shaq turned down Orlando's final offer back in the day of more guaranteed money as well to go to LA. Oh right, but "Dwight isn't Shaq". You win.

Thing is he can do all that here. Why not get derron to come here?

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

I heard Kobe is demanding a trade to the Clippers, trying to jump the bandwagon before all the Lakers' fans do it

[SolidSnake008]

I don't know if i'm correct but i believe a big part of why shaq left was because Orlando Low-balled him with a bad offer...i might be wrong on that though

[MagicFan41]

Yes we are discussing one year, but that one year would be the starting contract of a 3rd max deal that you say he would accept at the end of his 2nd max contract, making the extra year (5th) irrelevant. Come on now. I know you want to win your argument, but please stop playing stupid.

And thanks for side stepping my question when obviously there is no answer. In fact I can't think of one player who has gotten back to back to back max contracts in their career. Howard might be the first, but the odds aren't in his favor for the reasons I have stated, again the common sense reasons why 99% of the time the players go with the most money for the most years.

He would have to opt-out at the end of his 5-yr contract regardless in order to get the next big contract. So all that matters is that last year. If he had been injured, he would've been injured by then anyways. By YOUR logic, he would've already signed the extension in case he gets injured this year. Because you want the guaranteed money right away right? So, since you're so on point with all of these "players' perspectives"....at what point do you decide the trade-off is for one more year vs guaranteed money right now (like in Dwight's case when he decided not to sign the extension that's on the table)? Hmmmmmm? What did you do during your max-contract, Mr NBA?

As for responding to your question about max level deals back-to-back, I shouldn't dignify that with a response, because for like the 5th response in a row, you've completely missed my point, and you aren't going to get it at any point soon it seems. So I will give it one more shot:

You ask Dwight: "Dwight, you have the option of playing where you want, with one of your buddies, who is a top 2-3 PG in the league in the biggest city in the country....or with a hall of famer, one of the greatest of all time, in a city where you can be a big clown like you like to, and star in movies too! You can either do one of these and make $80 million, with a good chance you will get another $25 million the following year OR....you can stay in Orlando in your current situation, which you don't seem to like much, and be guaranteed $135 million...oh btw...you already have probably over $100 million in the bank....which would you rather do?"

I can guess his response. You're probably gonna find it out too, in about 6 months. Oh wait, no, you probably won't.....because hopefully the FO isn't thinking like you. BTW, Shaq turned down Orlando's final offer back in the day of more guaranteed money as well to go to LA. Oh right, but "Dwight isn't Shaq". You win.

Thing is he can do all that here. Why not get derron to come here?

Ugh. Have you thought about that situation? Not saying it's impossible but come on.

NJ will more than likely have enough caproom to sign Dwight this summer if they want. Then they can use Deron's Bird rights to re-up his contract. The Magic won't have anywhere near enough money to sign Deron outright (plus he seems content with the new owner, the new building, being in NYC, etc). He says there's a "90% chance" he stays with NJ. Dwight says he wants a trade. Do you really think NJ, knowing they can sign Dwight outright next summer, knowing we can't sign Deron....knowing Dwight wants a trade, knowing Deron says he will more than likely re-sign....is going to go, oh OK Orlando (who they now hate btw, there is clearly a front office rivalry brewing there - tampering, Billups amnesty situation etc), Deron doesn't want to be traded to you, he wants to stay here and we can sign Dwight next summer.....so I'll take Jameer JJ and Ryan, sound good?

.....connect the dots, people....seriously.

The ONLY situatoin would be possibly if Deron says "I'm absolutely not re-signing, trade me to Orlando or you're getting nothing for me" and then Dwight said "I'm absolutely staying with the Magic" or signed an extension - which he won't. He is requesting a trade. Even if both those things happened, NJ would probably just call their bluffs, knowing Deron can't sign with the Magic outright and that Dwight can with them. Does this sound like a situation where WE have any leverage whatsoever over NJ???

[GameOver25]

I really can't see Kobe leaving the Lakers.

[The Real Dalic]

I really can't see Kobe leaving the Lakers.

[MasterGMer]

Should we make a gamble on Bynum?

I like Russel westbrook idea. Young core!! We need young players!

[Nyce_1]

Kobe isn't going anywhere. Stop with the foolishness.

[arkknight1988]

I like the idea of Westbrook, not that they would do it...but I am still terrified of Bynum. I feel like he will never play more than 65 games a season.

a young core of westbrook harden and gortat along with all our young guys would of been awesome.

[kman1023]

Bynum, Westbrook, Clark, Liggins, Harper, Anderson, Redick, Davis (still young),

I mean if Liggins and Harper can develop well, then Magic would have such a solid young team for years..