OFFICIAL DWIGHT HOWARD TRADE / SPECULATION / THOUGHT THREAD

[tiderulz]

When it comes down to it, regardless of who Orlando deals with they are stuck between a rock and hardspot. They arent getting a good deal outside of a Houston 2way or a slightly better for Orlando's situation a HOU-LAL 3way.

What many don't realize is that they really don't care, they aren't trading Dwight, any trade discussions are just customer service and nothing more. What they are actually going to do is try to win the Championship this year, and I would expect nothing less.

you keep sticking to your guns man. I believe Dwight is gone on the first trade that will work for Orlando, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

[aleZ]

When it comes down to it, regardless of who Orlando deals with they are stuck between a rock and hardspot. They arent getting a good deal outside of a Houston 2way or a slightly better for Orlando's situation a HOU-LAL 3way.

You may be right but who cares at this point.
It's been over a year of back and forth with Dwight and his camp, the sooner he's gone the better for the Orlando Magic franchise. Besides, the Magic have no respect in trades both from the league and other teams: whatever is coming, it's gonna cost an arm and a leg.

[Stebo_SSK]

The best I can see them doing is getting off Jrich and BBD contracts and getting back a bunch of expiring deals, a rookie from Houston and that Toronto lottery pick in a 3way with LA and HOU.

[BadMofoPimp]

The best I can see them doing is getting off Jrich and BBD contracts and getting back a bunch of expiring deals, a rookie from Houston and that Toronto lottery pick in a 3way with LA and HOU.

Magic would be crazy to trade BBD. He may be the best value contract for the dollar on the roster.

[Stebo_SSK]

The best I can see them doing is getting off Jrich and BBD contracts and getting back a bunch of expiring deals, a rookie from Houston and that Toronto lottery pick in a 3way with LA and HOU.

Magic would be crazy to trade BBD. He may be the best value contract for the dollar on the roster.

I totally agree but rumor has it they are trying to clear all long term and rebuild on their own terms.

[Stebo_SSK]

When it comes down to it, regardless of who Orlando deals with they are stuck between a rock and hardspot. They arent getting a good deal outside of a Houston 2way or a slightly better for Orlando's situation a HOU-LAL 3way.

What many don't realize is that they really don't care, they aren't trading Dwight, any trade discussions are just customer service and nothing more. What they are actually going to do is try to win the Championship this year, and I would expect nothing less.

are you freakin delusional LMAO

Dude has to be a troll. No way he really thinks Orlando is competing for a ring this year.

[Shishnizzle]

I really don't think the Magic should help him go where he wants. I think they should let him walk in free agency. He won't get to go where he wants if they do that. If we aren't getting a good deal then let him walk. What is the difference. We aren't competing anytime soon anyway. We really don't need to clear cap space if we aint getting a good trade with good pieces in return. We might as well let the players come off the books naturally. We are not really effected either way if we are not bringing back young talent. I say play him this year and let him walk.

[Orlando Dawg]

Dude has to be a troll. No way he really thinks Orlando is competing for a ring this year.

One of the best players in the world and a bunch of battle tested vets ... what's the problem?

[Shishnizzle]

Late round draft picks are worth nothing. Clearing cap space a year or two early when we are not competing anytime soon is worth nothing. Over paid injury prone players are worth nothing. If we can't pull some young talent our way then let him walk. See if he dictates where he wants to go under those circumstances and that is exactly what Henny has already said. He is only going to make a trade if it make sense for Orlando. If I were you Laker fans I would be prepared to see Dwight on an Orlando roster come the first game of the season. I do not expect a trade anytime soon if at all. The Lakers best hope is that Houston gets involved and wants Bynum cause we don't want him. I also do not see a trade with the Nets either cause their junk is worse than yours. If Dwight walks in free agency he still does not get to dictate where he wants to go because he cant walk to the Nets or the Lakers. Lakers and Nets fans need to realize we have already rejected your junk. The lakers only have a chance if Houston helps them out.

[Bruteque]

I really don't think the Magic should help him go where he wants. I think they should let him walk in free agency. He won't get to go where he wants if they do that. If we aren't getting a good deal then let him walk. What is the difference. We aren't competing anytime soon anyway. We really don't need to clear cap space if we aint getting a good trade with good pieces in return. We might as well let the players come off the books naturally. We are not really effected either way if we are not bringing back young talent. I say play him this year and let him walk.

For starters, it would cost Hennigan one high lottery pick: ORL's own...converted to a worthless late 1st. Also, unlike the CLE and BKN offer, HOU's offer is actually substantial if it's Lamb + TOR pick + JRich dump. Although, given Howard's camp's hard work, there is no guarantee that HOU's offer is even still on the table. I don't know. Maybe Hennigan is counting on Howard eventually caving and saying he will sign with Donald Sterling or something equally Deus Ex Machina. Who knows?

[boricua_basket]

Dude has to be a troll. No way he really thinks Orlando is competing for a ring this year.

One of the best players in the world and a bunch of battle tested vets ... what's the problem?

The lack of the latter... sources close to the situation tell Flo Anthony that the Magic are trying to bring back Battie.

There, battle tested.

[BadMofoPimp]

Howard seems so determined to get to Brooklyn. Sounds like Adidas may have a hand in that. What if Dwight just leaves whatever team he is on to sign with Brooklyn for the MLE in 2013 while Adidas just covers the loss?

[Jaxfann]

Late round draft picks are worth nothing. Clearing cap space a year or two early when we are not competing anytime soon is worth nothing. Over paid injury prone players are worth nothing. If we can't pull some young talent our way then let him walk. See if he dictates where he wants to go under those circumstances and that is exactly what Henny has already said. He is only going to make a trade if it make sense for Orlando. If I were you Laker fans I would be prepared to see Dwight on an Orlando roster come the first game of the season. I do not expect a trade anytime soon if at all. The Lakers best hope is that Houston gets involved and wants Bynum cause we don't want him. I also do not see a trade with the Nets either cause their junk is worse than yours. If Dwight walks in free agency he still does not get to dictate where he wants to go because he cant walk to the Nets or the Lakers. Lakers and Nets fans need to realize we have already rejected your junk. The lakers only have a chance if Houston helps them out.

Well put - I think Hennigan will make a sound decision when the time comes even if it means letting this immature, dumb, "diva" walk next year!

[Greenraida]

Howard seems so determined to get to Brooklyn. Sounds like Adidas may have a hand in that. What if Dwight just leaves whatever team he is on to sign with Brooklyn for the MLE in 2013 while Adidas just covers the loss?

I dont think you are allowed to do that, and im sure Stern would veto that too.

[madmaxmedia]

Howard seems so determined to get to Brooklyn. Sounds like Adidas may have a hand in that. What if Dwight just leaves whatever team he is on to sign with Brooklyn for the MLE in 2013 while Adidas just covers the loss?

I dont think you are allowed to do that, and im sure Stern would veto that too.

Not that I think this would ever happen (they can't really just 'cover the loss' since Dwight would get endorsement money wherever he goes), but Stern could only veto trades with the Hornets since the NBA was running the team until they got an owner. He can't just veto any personnel move, can he?

Besides, on what grounds could Stern veto a player signing where they want? He couldn't veto LeBron and Bosh signing for less in Miami.

Look at an MLE deal (don't know maximum length), and then look at the max Dwight could get in a sign-and-trade with Bird rights. The TOTAL difference is too big for a shoe company to make up, considering that Dwight would be making significant endorsement money to go along with a max contract.

The Bird rights do give Orlando some leverage in this, and it seems Orlando is willing to stay put and play that hand out. (sorry if I got some of my CBA details wrong.) Both parties can tell the other to essentially f-off, but both parties come out best in the end if they can come to agreement.

[Pancho_Pantera]

Anyone have the latest on why this douche hasn't been shipped?

[dwight4pres08]

haha i made my member name back in 2008, and just remembered my password and login name... look how much has changed.. dwight is my most hated player... he makes Lebron look like a good guy. anyways, if i had to say why he hasnt been traded.. it is probably because the rockets have to wait 30 days since inking their first rounders... so expect around the 24th or 25th of august for the trade rumors to pick up... and hopefulllyyyyy, something gets done. i am sure yall will agree... i dont want dwight at the beginning of summer camp, he is cancer to the team

[SFranklin]

I haven't been on in a while but I had to log in for this foolishness. Lakers fans are cleary one of, if not the most dellusional fanbases in the world. In any sport. Lakers fans, WE ARE NOT YOUR FARM TEAM. Please explain to me, what incentive we have to trade Dwight to you?....

You may say that we can't possibly live through another circus season with the "Dwightmare". Message for you, who gives a crap? The Magic fanbase I assure you has already written off the season as a total loss. So, our options are losing with drama or losing without drama. Doesn't make much of a difference to me. What incentive do we have to allow another super team to form? If a trade will only bring us marginal improvements, then let Dwight walk. I'm against the school of thought that says he has to go immediately. WHY? What difference does it make? To put it bluntly, we're going to suck this year. What difference does it make if we suck and Dwight is pouting the whole time. Put him on IR and let him walk. Then we'll see who he will and won't accept a trade to. And if he's still that adament about not accepting a trade, go sign with Dallas or the Bobcats. Have fun with that.

[davidse]

I really don't think the Magic should help him go where he wants. I think they should let him walk in free agency. He won't get to go where he wants if they do that. If we aren't getting a good deal then let him walk. What is the difference. We aren't competing anytime soon anyway. We really don't need to clear cap space if we aint getting a good trade with good pieces in return. We might as well let the players come off the books naturally. We are not really effected either way if we are not bringing back young talent. I say play him this year and let him walk.

yeah, who cares about getting the best possible lottery shot at a franchise changing talent next offseason, or turning off any superstar free agent from ever considering joining the magic organization...

lmao.

[Dr Positivity]

Anyone have the latest on why this douche hasn't been shipped?

I'm almost certain ORL told HOU to sign their rookies and that they'd wait a month until they're tradeable (around August 26th, though a deal could be worked in principle before then) - for salary purposes. HOU trading signed rookies instead of unsigned ones is worth 3.5-5 mil, depending on how many they give up. So basically, Orlando gets to add Duhon to a deal by waiting a month, considering they're not giving anything up by waiting that's probably worth it. It's good for Houston as well to act in good faith towards their rookies/their agents by finally signing them. I don't think it's a coincidence at all the Howard talks completley shut down as soon as Houston got a 1 month timeout. I expect Houston to also work the phones in the next month to find a) A Kevin Martin deal that clears immediate capspace (They can dump 4 million+ even to a team who's over the cap in a Martin deal, that 4 mil would be a huge help to their clear ORL's contracts quest) and b) Find Patterson and Morris trade partners for draft picks and capspace since ORL likely has no minutes for those guys