Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIV "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

rcklsscognition · Post #1241 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:12 pm

Eastern Conference all stars in 2016-2017 or 2017-2018 at SG, who you got?

Mannchild · Post #1242 » by **Mannchild** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:14 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:
Mannchild wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:........ SO

The wiz are looking at trading one of their picks. What do we have for the 2nd pick?

If both Noel and McLemore were on the board then i would probably trade Harris or Harkless for #3.

Oh my. Harris averaged almost 20 points a game and you'd trade him??? Not to mention Hark who is just getting started at 19 years old and is already giving us glimpses of what he can do. I wouldn't trade them for BMac and Noel straight up. Are you being serious?

I would trade Harkless for the #3 pick and i would consider trading Harris as well depending on how high our scouts end up being on some of the people at the top of the draft. No one knows the value of the #3 pick yet. Also, i wasnt too impressed with Harkless. Harkless seems like Ariza 2.0 to me. I am very high on Harris and so great potential in him right after his first game. The thing that worries me about Harris is that i dont know if he is a 3 or a 4... im not 100% sure he can play either as a starter in the league but i think he can. That is what next season is for.

RYgoBOOM · Post #1243 » by **RYgoBOOM** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:24 pm

Mannchild wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:
Mannchild wrote:
If both Noel and McLemore were on the board then i would probably trade Harris or Harkless for #3.

Oh my. Harris averaged almost 20 points a game and you'd trade him??? Not to mention Hark who is just getting started at 19 years old and is already giving us glimpses of what he can do. I wouldn't trade them for BMac and Noel straight up. Are you being serious?

I would trade Harkless for the #3 pick and i would consider trading Harris as well depending on how high our scouts end up being on some of the people at the top of the draft. No one knows the value of the #3 pick yet. Also, i wasnt too impressed with Harkless. Harkless seems like Ariza 2.0 to me. I am very high on Harris and so great potential in him right after his first game. The thing that worries me about Harris is that i dont know if he is a 3 or a 4... im not 100% sure he can play either as a starter in the league but i think he can. That is what next season is for.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #1244 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:26 pm

Mannchild wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:
Mannchild wrote:
If both Noel and McLemore were on the board then i would probably trade Harris or Harkless for #3.

Oh my. Harris averaged almost 20 points a game and you'd trade him??? Not to mention Hark who is just getting started at 19 years old and is already giving us glimpses of what he can do. I wouldn't trade them for BMac and Noel straight up. Are you being serious?

I would trade Harkless for the #3 pick and i would consider trading Harris as well depending on how high our scouts end up being on some of the people at the top of the draft. No one knows the value of the #3 pick yet. Also, i wasnt too impressed with Harkless. Harkless seems like Ariza 2.0 to me. I am very high on Harris and so great potential in him right after his first game. The thing that worries me about Harris is that i dont know if he is a 3 or a 4... im not 100% sure he can play either as a starter in the league but i think he can. That is what next season is for.

Funny because your Ariza comparison is probably the best one yet on Hark. I could see him panning out like that but I am hoping not. I like Harris's leadership way too much to move him though.

tranjSAIC · Post #1245 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:33 pm

Bobby Ray wrote:Mclemore an all-star? Hardly, he's a good shooter and has great athleticism but he can't create on his own and with all that athleticism he can't finish consistently in traffic if it's not a fast break. Not to mention when the pressure is on he folds like a bad hand in poker.

Someone sell me on him because I don't see all-star when I look at Mclemore, I'm sorry

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He's got a better chance to be an allstar than Burke does.

tranjSAIC · Post #1246 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:34 pm

londoncollin wrote:Why are you guys looking for two and three in a weak draft?

And what are we supposed to look for in a weak draft? Reach for a PG?

Post #1247 » by **SOUL** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:40 pm

dont see personally anything wrong with the mclemore pick. but i like burke as well.. if burke was a cant miss pick i could understand people getting mad at grabbing mclemore but his only real problem in college was that he wasn't assertive, and that's not really a bad thing when it comes to the nba where he'll have better spacing and teammates that can make plays happen if he doesnt want to be aggressive.

also, we're not going to be good next year. we'll have a top 10 pick, probable top 5. best case scenario we're terrible and get wiggins, a great case is that we'll get a good player still (smart) or another pg.

smart / mclemore / harkless / tobias / vuc or something would not be a bad young core at all.

KillMonger · Post #1248 » by **KillMonger** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:05 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
Bobby Ray wrote:Mclemore an all-star? Hardly, he's a good shooter and has great athleticism but he can't create on his own and with all that athleticism he can't finish consistently in traffic if it's not a fast break. Not to mention when the pressure is on he folds like a bad hand in poker.

Someone sell me on him because I don't see all-star when I look at Mclemore, I'm sorry

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Its too early to make assumptions like that since we don't know yet but its possible that he can improve his handle and his overall game. If he does then yes he can be an allstar. He has the shooting touch and the athleticism to do it. He is only 20, still has a lot of time to improve and prove himself.

to me it's going to take a lot for him to get to that level imo. He's not really a creator and to me that's not changing but that might not necessarily be a knock. What is a knock is his mentality dude is not much of a leader and he doesn't have that killer instinct.

Way too passive imo to be a number one guy. To me at best I see a fringe all-star I.e Monta Ellis

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tranjSAIC · Post #1249 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:12 pm

Bobby Ray wrote:
Way too passive imo to be a number one guy.

Paul George had that knock on him coming out of school as well. Not trying to say he will develop like George, but you have to factor in the situation he was in as well. Some guys aren't comfortable coming in as freshmen and leading older guys, plus the fact he was mostly a post player in high school didn't help.

RickB-Orlando · Post #1250 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:12 pm

Bobby Ray wrote:Mclemore an all-star? Hardly, he's a good shooter and has great athleticism but he can't create on his own and with all that athleticism he can't finish consistently in traffic if it's not a fast break. Not to mention when the pressure is on he folds like a bad hand in poker.

Someone sell me on him because I don't see all-star when I look at Mclemore, I'm sorry

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I'll give it a shot:

Generally you don't draft players just for what they are, you draft them for what they can become. Players mature, grow their game, add skills. Maybe mac can do that.

I'd still rather see us draft Porter personally, but I'd be ok with Mac.

RickB-Orlando · Post #1251 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:17 pm

trebone wrote:... get #13 from Dallas and take MCW or Schroder

If MCW is still on the board at 13 I would be all over trying to get that pick. I think there's a chance for him to be an impact Point Guard in a few years, if he has the drive to succeed. Not sold on Schroder, but I do know a lot of folks on this board think he's a stud.

Rick Rolled · Post #1252 » by **Rick Rolled** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:39 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m
Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 5 year deal for $15 million with Toronto, league sources say.

It may only be a matter of time before somebody lobs Henny a ridiculous offer....

(depending on how long it takes us to become relevant)....

I wonder if Denver will take a look at Scott Perry or Matt Lloyd...

They may just look internally, or see if any Spurs/OKC guys look like good options.

MagicTownBaller · Post #1253 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:41 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Masai Ujiri has accepted Toronto GM job, sources tell Y!

Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 5 year deal for $15 million with Toronto, league sources say.

Larry Drew has accepted Bucks coaching job, GM John Hammond tells Y!

Larry Drew's deal with Bucks guarantees three years with a team option for fourth, source tells Y!

$3M a year is a rich offer??? I would've just stayed in Denver if I was Ujiri.

NickAnderson · Post #1254 » by **NickAnderson** » Fri May 31, 2013 10:22 pm

MagicTownBaller wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Masai Ujiri has accepted Toronto GM job, sources tell Y!

Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 5 year deal for $15 million with Toronto, league sources say.

Larry Drew has accepted Bucks coaching job, GM John Hammond tells Y!

Larry Drew's deal with Bucks guarantees three years with a team option for fourth, source tells Y!

$3M a year is a rich offer??? I would've just stayed in Denver if I was Ujiri.

Most GM's only get 1-2 mill a year and some like 500,000.

rcklsscognition · Post #1255 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri May 31, 2013 11:32 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m
Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 5 year deal for $15 million with Toronto, league sources say.

It may only be a matter of time before somebody lobs Henny a ridiculous offer....

(depending on how long it takes us to become relevant)....

I wonder if Denver will take a look at Scott Perry or Matt Lloyd...

They may just look internally, or see if any Spurs/OKC guys look like good options.

#Magic Assistant GM Scott Perry is listed by @WojYahooNBA as a potential candidate for the newly vacant GM position in Denver. :wink:

Rick Rolled · Post #1256 » by **Rick Rolled** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 12:06 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m
Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 5 year deal for $15 million with Toronto, league sources say.

It may only be a matter of time before somebody lobs Henny a ridiculous offer....

(depending on how long it takes us to become relevant)....

I wonder if Denver will take a look at Scott Perry or Matt Lloyd...

They may just look internally, or see if any Spurs/OKC guys look like good options.

#Magic Assistant GM Scott Perry is listed by @WojYahooNBA as a potential candidate for the newly vacant GM position in Denver.

Sweet! I knew Perry was pretty highly regarded. It's only a matter of time before Henny starts losing some of his main guys.

KillMonger · Post #1257 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 1:33 am

tranjSAIC wrote:
Bobby Ray wrote:Mclemore an all-star? Hardly, he's a good shooter and has great athleticism but he can't create on his own and with all that athleticism he can't finish consistently in traffic if it's not a fast break. Not to mention when the pressure is on he folds like a bad hand in poker.

Someone sell me on him because I don't see all-star when I look at Mclemore, I'm sorry

Sent from my expensive a$$ phone
He's got a better chance to be an allstar than Burke does.

what does this has to do with my statement? i didn't say anything about Burke, to me Mclemore does have a higher ceiling than Burke but currently he is not better imo they are on par at this moment. Why do people act like Burke has no upside while it might not be sky high like a Noel he has room to improve and can get better. If it's just potential people want then i'd rather have MCW quite honestly

Nyce_1 · Post #1258 » by **Nyce_1** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 1:53 am

I know it's selfish but my wish is for our FO to stay together at least until we get this thing turned around. Everyone wants their name on the door but I hope Lloyd and Perry are willing to finish (or at least get further along) what they started.

RapHippy · Post #1259 » by **RapHippy** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 2:01 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Eastern Conference all stars in 2016-2017 or 2017-2018 at SG, who you got?

2017
East- Dwyane Wade barring injuries
Demar Derozan (27 yr old, in his prime, always improving.)
One of Beal/Wiggins/Selden.

West- James Harden barring injuries
Eric Gordon/Oj Mayo???? - possible depending on career paths.
One of Wiggins/Selden

I personally have high hopes for Derozan because of how much he's improved throughout the years. He's shown a new aspect in his game every year, and by his prime i believe that he'll have it all together.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1260 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 2:06 am

RapHippy wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Eastern Conference all stars in 2016-2017 or 2017-2018 at SG, who you got?

2017
East- Dwyane Wade barring injuries
Demar Derozan (27 yr old, in his prime, always improving.)
One of Beal/Wiggins/Selden.

West- James Harden barring injuries
Eric Gordon/Oj Mayo???? - possible depending on career paths.
One of Wiggins/Selden

I personally have high hopes for Derozan because of how much he's improved throughout the years. He's shown a new aspect in his game every year, and by his prime i believe that he'll have it all together.

Shows you how weak the SG position is.. I think McLemore can be a difference making SG in this league. I also think that Beal will surpass DeRozan very, very soon.