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Re: Official Spec Thread: Off-season Edition - Training Camp is Almost Here! 

Post#1241 » by Residual-Heat » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:32 am

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“We have to be who we are and stick together,” said Banchero, who played for Team USA this summer in the FIBA World Cup. “There are going to be highs and lows, ups and downs throughout the year. But as long as we stay together as a unit, I’m confident with us going up against anybody. When we were healthy last year, there wasn’t a team that we looked at and (felt) we were outmatched and outmanned. We have a full roster coming into this year. It’s just living up to our expectations and trying to be as good as we can be as a unit. (If we do that) the playoffs and whatever else will take care of itself.”


“Not at all,” said Fultz when asked if his contract is weighing on him. “I’ve been through so much in my career. The best thing for me is just being able to play. That’s all that I’m focused on. I know that if I focus on that, everything else will take care of itself. Obviously, I would love to be in Orlando for a long, long time. But again, I’m just worried about every day, taking it one day at a time. But I love this organization. I think everything is going to fall into place where it needs to.”

Anthony expressed a similar sentiment.

“I’m not worried about that,” Anthony explained. “I’m just worried about getting ready for training camp, which actually starts tomorrow, and just being the best version of myself that I can be.”

Speaking of being the best version of yourself, Fultz believes this upcoming season could be his best to date.



On some teams, lottery picks like Black and Howard would be gifted minutes. That’s not the case with this deep Orlando team. If Black and Howard are to work their way into the rotation, they’ll have to compete and earn their minutes. It’s a challenge both players are ready for.

“I think that’s how it should be for anybody, no matter where you were picked or anything like that,” Black said. “You still have to come in and prove yourself. Prove yourself to your teammates and coaches and everybody in the organization. I’m definitely excited to do that.”

His draftmate couldn’t agree more.

“I feel like on all levels I’ve had to do that,” said Howard. “You want that at the end of the day, just being in an environment and a culture that’s for that rather than something being given to you. That’s big on the Magic for saying that.”
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Off-season Edition - Training Camp is Almost Here! 

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Post#1243 » by KillMonger » Tue Oct 3, 2023 4:36 am

davey_wavy wrote:Markelle looks trim!

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Post#1244 » by drsd » Tue Oct 3, 2023 6:29 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah the Harris hate seems more like people pining for younger worse players to get minutes than reality. The reality is he is a relatively consistent 40% 3 point shooter who can positionally play defense. He is going to get minutes and deservedly so.


G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Off-season Edition - Training Camp is Almost Here! 

Post#1245 » by drsd » Tue Oct 3, 2023 6:37 am

Isaac (hamstring/thigh/knee) is fully healthy entering training camp, according to Orlando Magic Daily.


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Re: Official Spec Thread: Off-season Edition - Training Camp is Almost Here! 

Post#1247 » by zaymon » Tue Oct 3, 2023 8:14 am

drsd wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah the Harris hate seems more like people pining for younger worse players to get minutes than reality. The reality is he is a relatively consistent 40% 3 point shooter who can positionally play defense. He is going to get minutes and deservedly so.


G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.


There could be wooden model of Gary Harris in the corner and he would help our offense more than someone like Fultz. Your negative emotions toward GHarris are way stronger than anybody on this board towards Fultz. I try to have weeks without mentioning Fultz to keep my mental hygiene, and i rarely see any your posts without mentioning GHarris.
I am one of the biggest GHarris fans out here and even i dont think he is a long term solution. He is not that important to mention him every day.
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Post#1248 » by drsd » Tue Oct 3, 2023 9:10 am

pepe1991 wrote:I like him (Suggs) with Cole off bench because he could guard players Cole can't. But in same time that's your former 5th overall pick.


Well to revisionism: most of us thought that Suggs would go 4 and Orlando would have ended with Scottie Barnes. If the Magic draft Barnes, it is probable F-Wagner is not drafted at 8. So that worked out.

Now of course the Magic could have gone with Giddey over Suggs at 5, but pre-draft Giddey was a big question mark and was seen as a reach even at 6.

If I had been GM, I would have tabbed Jonathan Kuminga at 5, and I would have drafted Davion Mitchell at 8. Which proves I do not deserve to be in Magic management!
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Off-season Edition - Training Camp is Almost Here! 

Post#1249 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 11:26 am

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pepe1991 wrote:I like him (Suggs) with Cole off bench because he could guard players Cole can't. But in same time that's your former 5th overall pick.


Well to revisionism: most of us thought that Suggs would go 4 and Orlando would have ended with Scottie Barnes. If the Magic draft Barnes, it is probable F-Wagner is not drafted at 8. So that worked out.

Now of course the Magic could have gone with Giddey over Suggs at 5, but pre-draft Giddey was a big question mark and was seen as a reach even at 6.

If I had been GM, I would have tabbed Jonathan Kuminga at 5, and I would have drafted Davion Mitchell at 8. Which proves I do not deserve to be in Magic management!

From what I understood .... Franz was the target of the front office and he was getting picked no matter what. Suggs fell to us at 5.... unexpectedly.. he's still a slow start out the gate ... but a healthy training camp... season and a system to win might allow us to see a suggs that is more deserving of the spot. Needless to say... if we did pick up Barnes ... I'm more than positive we would have picked up Franz as well. #longbois4lyfe lol
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Post#1250 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 3, 2023 12:06 pm

drsd wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah the Harris hate seems more like people pining for younger worse players to get minutes than reality. The reality is he is a relatively consistent 40% 3 point shooter who can positionally play defense. He is going to get minutes and deservedly so.


G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.


If we are to have a legit backcourt that contributes to our frontcourt success…our SG is going to have to take a lot more than 3 attempts to compensate for the paint-packing guy at PG. I’d like 6 or more…and I think Suggs can get there, given the opportunity. I may be way off, but, for all the ceilings I put on our other guards’ likelihood of development, I still feel like Suggs may end up as top 5 in his class when all is said and done…Franz being at 1 or 2 :D
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Post#1251 » by jonbob17 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:14 pm

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:I like him (Suggs) with Cole off bench because he could guard players Cole can't. But in same time that's your former 5th overall pick.


Well to revisionism: most of us thought that Suggs would go 4 and Orlando would have ended with Scottie Barnes. If the Magic draft Barnes, it is probable F-Wagner is not drafted at 8. So that worked out.

Now of course the Magic could have gone with Giddey over Suggs at 5, but pre-draft Giddey was a big question mark and was seen as a reach even at 6.

If I had been GM, I would have tabbed Jonathan Kuminga at 5, and I would have drafted Davion Mitchell at 8. Which proves I do not deserve to be in Magic management!


Had Suggs gone 4, word was Magic were taking Giddey at 5. Either way, Barnes or Giddey, I think they still would have taken Wagner. I see Barnes and Giddey closer to Black than Franz. Even possible the Magic take Franz at 5. Personally I believe the Giddey smoke.

I still think Suggs going to end up being perfect for this team. Hoping that his slow start just makes him a little more affordable, and he's a late bloomer, which happens with guards more frequently than you would think, especially defensive minded, and Suggs has the dual sport excuse that might actually make some sense. Bledsoe and Lowry off the top of my head...
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Post#1252 » by jonbob17 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:17 pm

drsd wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah the Harris hate seems more like people pining for younger worse players to get minutes than reality. The reality is he is a relatively consistent 40% 3 point shooter who can positionally play defense. He is going to get minutes and deservedly so.


G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.


Harris didn't have much of a role on the offense last year, just sort of hung out and shot the occasional 3. I think that's the problem with him, the Magic want to run the offense through the young guys so they improve, but they want to prop up Harris's value so they can get something back. I will push back on that 4 on 5 business. That doesn't really happen as often as you would think with any player during the season. Virtually every player is guarded, maybe sagged of a bit, but there is a player in the vicinity. The playoffs are where you see more defensive schemes completely ignoring a player. Harris was guarded, he just didn't do anything to make his defender work.

I am hoping we see one of the guards moved before the regular season starts...if not surely one goes before mid december....there will be injuries out there and Fultz, Cole, and Harris, are capable if nothing else.
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Post#1253 » by OnlyFranz22 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:23 pm

Gonna enjoy this season for what it is!

The young guys taking another step forward and seeing if they can lead us into the playoffs. The odds in Vegas for us to make the playoffs are not crazy.

Next offseason that Celtics situation is going to be very interesting…. Do they pay Tatum? Do they trade Jaylen?

Pairing one of them with Paolo going forward would be dynamic.
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Post#1254 » by drsd » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:35 pm

OnlyFranz22 wrote:Gonna enjoy this season for what it is!

The young guys taking another step forward and seeing if they can lead us into the playoffs. The odds in Vegas for us to make the playoffs are not crazy.



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Post#1255 » by T-Cat » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:39 pm

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Post#1256 » by Knightro » Tue Oct 3, 2023 3:43 pm

People complaining that Gary Harris is too low volume to be an effective floor spacer compared to someone like Buddy Hield or some other high end shooter make me laugh.

Harris barely touches the basketball. He averaged 16.1 front court touches per game last season and he took 6.4 shots per game.

Doing the quick math and factoring in his very small number of FTAs as well, when Gary touched the basketball across halfcourt, more than 40% of the time he put up a shot.

He just doesn't get the ball a lot. Hield averaged 34.0 front court touches per game for the Pacers last season.
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Post#1257 » by zaymon » Tue Oct 3, 2023 4:35 pm

Knightro wrote:People complaining that Gary Harris is too low volume to be an effective floor spacer compared to someone like Buddy Hield or some other high end shooter make me laugh.

Harris barely touches the basketball. He averaged 16.1 front court touches per game last season and he took 6.4 shots per game.

Doing the quick math and factoring in his very small number of FTAs as well, when Gary touched the basketball across halfcourt, more than 40% of the time he put up a shot.

He just doesn't get the ball a lot. Hield averaged 34.0 front court touches per game for the Pacers last season.


Its apparently Gary Harris fault that he didnt pass the ball to himself. For those who question his movement he had higher average speed than Suggs or Ross. His speed on offense is also impressive given he didnt play on the ball and spaced the floor by standing in the corners for long stretches.
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Post#1258 » by Bergmaniac » Tue Oct 3, 2023 4:36 pm

drsd wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah the Harris hate seems more like people pining for younger worse players to get minutes than reality. The reality is he is a relatively consistent 40% 3 point shooter who can positionally play defense. He is going to get minutes and deservedly so.


G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

He is so harmful to our offense that he has the highest offensive rating of anyone in the main rotation. And the same was true last season once he got in gameshape (from December 1st onwards).

But who cares, his PPG are low, so he is obviously killing our offense.
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Post#1259 » by Knightro » Tue Oct 3, 2023 4:51 pm

drsd wrote:G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.


Blaming Gary for this is just goofy.

Gary stands in the corner or on the wing and waits for a pass. When he gets it, most of the time he shoots it and most of the time he makes it at a high clip.

If he doesn't get the pass, not sure what he's supposed to do other than run back on defense when someone else shoots.

He's not going to do some Steph Curry/Rip Hamilton off ball movement to get open unless that's the play that's called, which it never is. And cutting into a clogged lane doesn't bend the defense either.
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Post#1260 » by ARandomStranger » Tue Oct 3, 2023 6:18 pm

I'm just hoping we find a true PG #1 and a true SG #1 this season.

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