Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LV - NBA Draft Edition)

[Just Plain Mark]

Oladipo and McLemore both have significant weaknesses as shot creators. Mclemore shot fewer shots at the rim than Oladipo, but McLemore shot more free throws.

IMO, neither is above average as a ball handler and I can't think of a recent example of a player who significantly improved in that area so I wouldn't really subscribe to the idea that either player can just "work on it."

[JrDrex]

Eric Gordon? Like in a trade with the Pelicans?

Im pretty sure the guy was refering to Bledsoe...Gordon makes zero sence.

This HAS TO BE the case. It is the only way the sentence even makes sense.

It is. He sent a correcting tweet stating he meant Bledsoe.

[RYgoBOOM]

Mehhh

Bledsoe
Oladipo
Harkless
Harris
Vucevic


Wouldn't the athleticism/perimeter defense of this squad make Vucci not being an elite shot blocker easier to live with while he improves?


Never been on the Oladipo wagon but him and bledsoe in the back court would be a pretty fkn annoying back court to have guarding you lol

[Neon1]

Mehhh

Bledsoe
Oladipo
Harkless
Harris
Vucevic


Wouldn't the athleticism/perimeter defense of this squad make Vucci not being an elite shot blocker easier to live with while he improves?


Never been on the Oladipo wagon but him and bledsoe in the back court would be a pretty fkn annoying back court to have guarding you lol

Who the hell is gonna score besides Harris? It cant be ALL defense, just like it cant be ALL scoring. You play ball, you know there has to be some form of balance. No matter how good you defense is, you still need to put points on the board to win.

Who the hell is gonna protect the ball? No a single player in the starting 5 can run the show. That is a major major issue.

[Orlando Prodigy]

If we draft Ben McLemore, we should trade for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe/McLemore/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic is a balanced lineup.

Bledsoe/Oladipo/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic is not.

If we draft Victor Oladipo, we should instead trade Afflalo to Minnesota and get McCollum.

McCollum/Oladipo/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic

[Nyce_1]

If we draft Ben McLemore, we should trade for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe/McLemore/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic is a balanced lineup.

Bledsoe/Oladipo/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic is not.

If we draft Victor Oladipo, we should instead trade Afflalo to Minnesota and get McCollum.

McCollum/Oladipo/Harkless/Harris/Vucevic

This.

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

Mehhh

Bledsoe
Oladipo
Harkless
Harris
Vucevic


Wouldn't the athleticism/perimeter defense of this squad make Vucci not being an elite shot blocker easier to live with while he improves?


Never been on the Oladipo wagon but him and bledsoe in the back court would be a pretty fkn annoying back court to have guarding you lol

Who the hell is gonna score besides Harris? It cant be ALL defense, just like it cant be ALL scoring. You play ball, you know there has to be some form of balance. No matter how good you defense is, you still need to put points on the board to win.

Who the hell is gonna protect the ball? No a single player in the starting 5 can run the show. That is a major major issue.

Jameer will start, starting 5 would probably be

Jameer/Oladipo/Harris/BBD/Vucevic

I can GUARANTEE you that BBD and Jameer wouldnt be sitting behind bledsoe and harkless

backups would be Bledsoe/Moore/Harkless/Nicholson/Quinn

[trebone]

The reason I posted about McLemore is I'm genuinely intrigued by these reports. It just seems like an odd comment to make about a guy in a workout, that he doesn't have a high motor. Maybe I just don't understand what they do at a workout. I mean, you tell me Carter Williams is out of shape and couldn't finish the workout, that makes sense, that's real. But with Ben, it just sounds like posturing, what does it mean not to impress. Like why? He wasn't playing against any other players. I'm just trying to cut through the BS, which there is a ton of right now in the media.

Just about every Analyst questioned Drummond about his "Motor." Thus, he slid all the way to Number 9 and had a terrific rookie season considering how raw he was. I watched quite a few Pistons games and I have to say, he was the energy guy every time he stepped on the court.

Thus, I don't believe what analysts say when it comes to Heart and Motor. Some players just don't appear to have a high motor because of their demeanor.

Motor is just one part of it. What I don't like worse than that is his sucky ball handling. If you are a SG and you have problems dribbling, then you end up having to make a career as a shooter. So many of his scouting report say he has problems there and needs to improve. Look no further than Danny Green. Everytime he tries to dribble he gets double teamed and trapped with the ball. The only time he's effective is if he take a 3 pointer. ...and haven't we all gotten our hearts broken enough with the whole "Live by the 3, Die by the 3" style of basketball? We need a SG who can attack. McLemore is a good open floor dunker, but if the paint is crowded, he'll avoid it. Dipo will take the ball and dunk in your face. Unafraid of contact or traffic.

This is why I think he is more JRich than anything

[rcklsscognition]

IMO he is basically a Ray Allen clone.

[Skin]

IMO he is basically a Ray Allen clone.

Ray Allen is a crafty dribbler. He never had issues in that department.

[BadMofoPimp]

This is why I think he is more JRich than anything

JRich won the slam dunk contest and when he was younger wasn't afraid to dunk on anyone.

I sure hope McLemore is as good as JRich in his prime!!! That would be worth #1 overall in this sucky draft fo sho.

[Ducklett]

I am kinda hoping for B.Mac too. No offense to Oladipo or his game/work ethic, but I think B.Mac can be the superstar (if there is one) of this draft.

[cedric76]

I d rather poor wade

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[yoyojw17]

Never understood why people make it seem that Mclemore has a lower work ethic than others. from what i understood he was always in the gym especially his redshirt freshman year. According to the video...I know...it's hard to just believe the coach and affiliates of the player....they might be overhyping....but when your strength and conditioning coach who has trained future nba players says that "ben separates himself from most of these people because of his willingness to work because he takes pride in all aspects of his life." says a lot. thenBill Self says that "if you were to ask thomas and tyshawnwho the best prospect in the gym was"...and it would have been a uninanimous that it would have been ben. and this was coming from a team that went to the Championship. That impresses me. The stuff that Bill Self said is "he is the type of guy that you would want your son to grow up like"....even more impressive. apparently there is more to him than WE will know from combines and even interviews. Bilas even gave him props.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pVE2QySPKA

[rcklsscognition]

IMO he is basically a Ray Allen clone.

Ray Allen is a crafty dribbler. He never had issues in that department.

We didn't have this type of reporting 14 years ago on Ray, if there was, he'd have had the same knocks as Ben, he was no better at dribbling than Ben back then looking at tape. They were so identical in high school and college it's freaky.

"He's the closest thing to Ray Allen, but Ray Allen stayed in school three years," a Western Conference general manager said of McLemore. "Today's basketball is a little different; you talk about potential and projection. But he has all the tools. Whatever Ray has, he has. Ray didn't jump; this kid can jump. This kid can fly."

Now, Allen did have a little bounce back in his pre-Jesus Shuttleworth days. But McLemore's hops are good.

Article in entirety comparing the two: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1599 ... -ray-allen

[magicfan9109]

The more I look at it the more I am coming around to the idea of trading down for CJ McCollum and another pick. Now, I also think that we could just trade our number 2 pick for a pick at around 7 or so and the other asset could be something in 2014. Maybe we could trade another one of our players to make it work.

But then again, if Rob sees something in Mclemore or Olidipo at number 2, then I won't complain.

[MagicFan32]

reports are indicating the cavs are willing to give up 19 to take on Marion and the 13th pick. this forum set hennigan up for failure, with expecting him to get this pick

an oladipo/bledsoe backcourt makes no sense, sure it has upside on defense but offensively it just doesn't work, mclemore makes more sense with bledsoe

[rcklsscognition]

reports are indicating the cavs are willing to give up 19 to take on Marion and the 13th pick. this forum set hennigan up for failure, with expecting him to get this pick

an oladipo/bledsoe backcourt makes no sense, sure it has upside on defense but offensively it just doesn't work, mclemore makes more sense with bledsoe

Pretty dumb to trade up 6 spots for the cost of a 9 million dollar contract and the 19th. Marion still needs to decline his ETO, which he has yet to do (June 30th deadline). He could ink a new deal, could take the ETO and become a FA.

[dsg2021]

I want a guy with high motor, this is why Ben isn't on my list

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Who says Ben does not have a high motor?

This is what DX says in their analysis:

At the same time, McLemore is still figuring out how to maximize himself on this end of the floor consistently, which is a common problem with young players making the transition from high school to college basketball, especially those not known as fiery competitors. His positioning, awareness and focus leaves a bit to be desired at times, as it occasionally looks like he's only going at half speed and will get lost off the ball. With the tools he shows, though, there's little doubt that he has the ability to be a terrific option here, as long as he puts his mind to it.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2WrnyWSee
http://www.draftexpress.com

Do people not understand what "at times" means? Like does anyone know a NCAA player who probably ran more than McLemore on offense? I would only come up with PGs and very few wings. You guys are picking one of the worst areas to critique him on when there is at least two other areas that are not just "at times."

[MagicFan32]

reports are indicating the cavs are willing to give up 19 to take on Marion and the 13th pick. this forum set hennigan up for failure, with expecting him to get this pick

an oladipo/bledsoe backcourt makes no sense, sure it has upside on defense but offensively it just doesn't work, mclemore makes more sense with bledsoe

Pretty dumb to trade up 6 spots for the cost of a 9 million dollar contract and the 19th. Marion still needs to decline his ETO, which he has yet to do (June 30th deadline). He could ink a new deal, could take the ETO and become a FA.

agree to some extent, but if the cavs add len/noel, marion, and shabazz/KCP/McCollum they are looking like a playoff team