Markelle Fultz

[Skybox]

Which player on the roster do you all trust most to bring the ball up the court under pressure?

This is kind of a high school type of concern. Nobody's going to bully our PG to this degree. Suggs, for example, isn't a good ball handler...but it's not like he can't get the ball over center court vs pressure...a bad NBA ball handler is still a very capable ball handler. IF this is Fultz' case for starting PG, you're really reaching.

[rusoopE]

Kelle needs to go and prolly every backcourt player but Cole (as the spark from the bench and I just love his personality as a glue guy for the team and I can see a little room for.improvement I really do) and Harris (he is such a good role model for the youngsters and such a good shooter Wich is what we need the most, it's unfortunate his health is and always be a problem). Fultz can be good, really good on another team, imagine him playing in Denver, Boston, phoenix he would thrive. He doesn't match the timeline or need for us at all. Yes he deserves the starting position but just because suggs is a bust for me, Cole ain't on a starting level yet and black is just a rookie. On the sg pos we are screwed Harris won't play much and I don't see Jett having an efficient rookie.year

[Audi]

Which player on the roster do you all trust most to bring the ball up the court under pressure?

This is kind of a high school type of concern. Nobody's going to bully our PG to this degree. Suggs, for example, isn't a good ball handler...but it's not like he can't get the ball over center court vs pressure...a bad NBA ball handler is still a very capable ball handler. IF this is Fultz' case for starting PG, you're really reaching.

Doesn’t need to be a case for Fultz at all, it’s a question I posed out of curiosity. I do think Fultz is the best ball handler under pressure… doesn’t mean others do though.

Disagree that it’s a high school type of concern. I’ve seen too many bad passes or TOs forced on our ball handlers over the years to pass it off as nothing.

[Audi]

Which player on the roster do you all trust most to bring the ball up the court under pressure?

Which player do you trust most to spread the floor, etc?

Probably Franz, imo. Even though he doesn’t shoot the 3 like Gary, I think he’s got the most gravity furthest away from the paint. The equal threat of pulling up for a long bomb or driving to the rim is a thing of beauty and will only get better.

[drsd]

Very much looking forward to Pepe's response to that

I'm not a betting man, but I doubt he meant "Fultz if fine, get more shooters to carry him"...looking for the overnight bombing

Replace G-Harris with any of these players, and Fultz warts shrink a bit: Austin Reaves, Luke Kennard, Trey Murphy III, Josh Green, Isaiah Joe, Josh Hart, Quentin Grimes, Terance Mann, and Kevin Huerter.

None of these are anywhere near all-star quality SGs. And any of them are a better fit to Fultz. Now I accept the argument "Fultz is not a player to build around". But my point is that Orlando's SG core is poor. Regardless of what one thinks of Fultz.

Why do you keep saying this?

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

[pepe1991]

Replace G-Harris with any of these players, and Fultz warts shrink a bit: Austin Reaves, Luke Kennard, Trey Murphy III, Josh Green, Isaiah Joe, Josh Hart, Quentin Grimes, Terance Mann, and Kevin Huerter.

None of these are anywhere near all-star quality SGs. And any of them are a better fit to Fultz. Now I accept the argument "Fultz is not a player to build around". But my point is that Orlando's SG core is poor. Regardless of what one thinks of Fultz.

Why do you keep saying this?

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

Jett Howard isn't shooting guard. Faster people move on from that notion, better. He hardly has enough agility to defend SFs even at college level and often was target for that specific reason.

Average height of shooting guard is around 6'4. Those players are lighting quick compared to "average" nba 6'8 guys. And Jett's speed & athletics are way below "average 6'8 SF".

Some of best nba shooting guards are
MItchell- 6'2-6'3
Booker 6'5
Beal 6'3
Bane 6'3
Edwards 6'4
Brown 6'6 is one of tallest

Excluding Booker, all those players pack incredible athletics and strenght. Brown, Bane, Edwards, Lavine pack 40+ inch vertical and move their feed fast. Matter of fact Mitchell has second fastest sprint recorded at combine ever.

Jett Howard avoided everything at combine including basic measurments. Who does that? Only ones who have something to hide.

Jett's ability to be nba player will be based on his ability to make jumpshots and not be dreadful on defensive end. Best case for him is some Bojan Bogdanovic, worst case Caleb Hustan/Okeke , middle ground Jordan Nwfora. Guy who doesn't suck but won't make nor break your roster. Guy who will have some epic 30 points game and other night pack -triple-zero.

[j_n]

For someone that hasn't caught up with this thread, did anything happen in the off season with Markelle to warrant 60+ pages of discussion?
Or is it more of the same arguments from last year about his talent vs his shooting and fit issues?

[pepe1991]

For someone that hasn't caught up with this thread, did anything happen in the off season with Markelle to warrant 60+ pages of discussion?
Or is it more of the same arguments from last year about his talent vs his shooting and fit issues?

Nothing

At least Gordon would publish some pool 3 point shooting and people would lose his mind about his breakout

[AaronB]

For someone that hasn't caught up with this thread, did anything happen in the off season with Markelle to warrant 60+ pages of discussion?
Or is it more of the same arguments from last year about his talent vs his shooting and fit issues?

Every time a new unbiased publication (the Athletic, CBS Sports etc) comes out and calls MF a top 100 NBA player, it brings out a multitude of posts by the "I can't be wrong, I have spoken" crowd saying they are right and only they are right.

[VFX]

Replace G-Harris with any of these players, and Fultz warts shrink a bit: Austin Reaves, Luke Kennard, Trey Murphy III, Josh Green, Isaiah Joe, Josh Hart, Quentin Grimes, Terance Mann, and Kevin Huerter.

None of these are anywhere near all-star quality SGs. And any of them are a better fit to Fultz. Now I accept the argument "Fultz is not a player to build around". But my point is that Orlando's SG core is poor. Regardless of what one thinks of Fultz.

Why do you keep saying this?

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

[Audi]

Why do you keep saying this?

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

[cedric76]

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

Very funny to read that kelle can't shoot and can't get assists.
Do those people play nba2k instead of actually watch games?

[VFX]

Because it is true.





I know many here want an upgrade at the PG slot; well I want one at the SG slot. And I am not hopeful at all in Black. I would bet your house that Howard will be more influential to the Magic roster over the next three years. Why: because the Magic need SGs.

How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

Well it wouldn't be ignoring it and believing that a yet to be acquired SG will somehow solve all of the problems in the back court.

There are two camps of people - those that think AB is so far behind Fultz, isn't worth investing in, and would gladly hand Fultz a huge contract a season from now. The other group is of fans that aren't short sighted, believe more in AB's development than Fultz, and see the repercussions of handing out a large contract to him with salary cap in mind 3-4 seasons from now.

People in the former camp think throwing more money at an established SG is the answer for Fultz' shortcomings. Thats a worse direction than just overpaying him next season and moving him later. It's tripling down on a flawed back court and further burying draft assets instead of making decisions.

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How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

Very funny to read that kelle can't shoot and can't get assists.
Do those people play nba2k instead of actually watch games?

I watched 90% of Magic games last season. Tell me more.

Im not incorrect in my assessment of him as a player and his skill set.

If you want to make the case he will improve greatly next season, then so be it. You don't have to lie to yourself.

[AaronB]

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

Very funny to read that kelle can't shoot and can't get assists.
Do those people play nba2k instead of actually watch games?

I watched 90% of Magic games last season. Tell me more.

Im not incorrect in my assessment of him as a player and his skill set.

If you want to make the case he will improve greatly next season, then so be it. You don't have to lie to yourself.

If Fultz can't shoot, get to the line or pass out assists, how does he make it to the top 100 players in multiple unbiased NBA player assessments? I know the answer, you know everything and they know nothing.

[Audi]

How does upgrading the SG slot address the issue of the starting point not being able to shoot, get to the line, or getting 6+ assist per game while making $20m+ on the next contract?

You are saying that upgrading the SG slot alleviates those issues, which it doesn’t. You are proposing to pay someone established to compensate for those things as opposed to solving the issue.

I must have missed it, but what was your proposal to solving the issue?

Well it wouldn't be ignoring it and believing that an a yet to be acquired SG will somehow solve all of the problems in the back court.

There are two camps of people - those that think AB is so far behind Fultz, isn't worth investing in, and would gladly hand Fultz a huge contract a season from now. The other group is of fans that aren't short sighted, believe more in AB's development than Fultz, and see the repercussions of handing out a large contract to him with salary cap in mind 3-4 seasons from now.

People in the former camp think throwing more money at an established SG is the answer for Fultz' shortcomings. Thats a worse direction than just overpaying him next season and moving him later. It's tripling down on a flawed back court and further burying draft assets instead of making decisions.

Ah yes, only two extreme views exist. Surely, there are no varying opinions among fans.

And I can’t help but notice you’ve still presented no solution outside of what sounds like get rid of Fultz and pray we don’t take a step back next year.

[drsd]

For someone that hasn't caught up with this thread, did anything happen in the off season with Markelle to warrant 60+ pages of discussion?
Or is it more of the same arguments from last year about his talent vs his shooting and fit issues?

Post of the week!

[VFX]

Very funny to read that kelle can't shoot and can't get assists.
Do those people play nba2k instead of actually watch games?

I watched 90% of Magic games last season. Tell me more.

Im not incorrect in my assessment of him as a player and his skill set.

If you want to make the case he will improve greatly next season, then so be it. You don't have to lie to yourself.

If Fultz can't shoot, get to the line or pass out assists, how does he make it to the top 100 players in multiple unbiased NBA player assessments? I know the answer, you know everything and they know nothing.

You believe he will greatly improve. I don’t for the amount of money he will cost.

That’s a difference of opinion based in the information we both have.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

[eyriq]

We address all of our biggest weaknesses by upgrading at point guard. That's why we drafted Black.

Black will not be a positive player until the 2025/26 season. Let's please be realistic here.

I've already shared my opposing view. Your take that rookies suck is an over simplification and wrong.

[bigdogdylan5]

For someone that hasn't caught up with this thread, did anything happen in the off season with Markelle to warrant 60+ pages of discussion?
Or is it more of the same arguments from last year about his talent vs his shooting and fit issues?

It’s pretty much 60 pages of same old same old.