Official Spec Thread: Regular Season

[jezzerinho]

G-Harris is totally absent on offense. He had many, many more games scoring less than 10 points than more than in 2022/23.

Orlando's offense is 4-on-5 when he is on the court.

He MUST be replaced. Looking at his 3-pt percentage is totally misleading to how harmful he is to the team's ball movement in half-court sets.

All we fans can hope for is that Suggs has developed a 36% three ball on 3-attempts per game. If he has, the Suggs needs to start from opening night.

Blaming Gary for this is just goofy.

Gary stands in the corner or on the wing and waits for a pass. When he gets it, most of the time he shoots it and most of the time he makes it at a high clip.

If he doesn't get the pass, not sure what he's supposed to do other than run back on defense when someone else shoots.

He's not going to do some Steph Curry/Rip Hamilton off ball movement to get open unless that's the play that's called, which it never is. And cutting into a clogged lane doesn't bend the defense either.

Our biggest issue isn't 3pt shooting, it's ball movement. That doesn't absolve Harris from moving off ball to get open and draw defensive attention, but he can't shoot what he doesn't receive.

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[thelead]

Finally hyped for a season and not just for a few players. Barring catastrophic injuries, there should be zero tanking this year.

[pepe1991]

Finally hyped for a season and not just for a few players. Barring catastrophic injuries, there should be zero tanking this year.

So , no Tankathon lucky sins before January?

[T-Cat]

Why can't Orlando have this kind of training camp footage?

https://youtu.be/HwgZLoa-d3Y?si=NiBQqa91pxM7GQ01

[drsd]

Markelle playing off the ball!

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[drsd]

People complaining that Gary Harris is too low volume to be an effective floor spacer compared to someone like Buddy Hield or some other high end shooter make me laugh.

Harris barely touches the basketball. He averaged 16.1 front court touches per game last season and he took 6.4 shots per game.

Doing the quick math and factoring in his very small number of FTAs as well, when Gary touched the basketball across halfcourt, more than 40% of the time he put up a shot.

He just doesn't get the ball a lot. Hield averaged 34.0 front court touches per game for the Pacers last season.

Its apparently Gary Harris fault that he didnt pass the ball to himself. For those who question his movement he had higher average speed than Suggs or Ross. His speed on offense is also impressive given he didnt play on the ball and spaced the floor by standing in the corners for long stretches.

It IS G-Harris' fault for not being in position to receive passes. He is a void on offense.

[drsd]

He is so harmful to our offense that he has the highest offensive rating of anyone in the main rotation. And the same was true last season once he got in gameshape (from December 1st onwards).

But who cares, his PPG are low, so he is obviously killing our offense.

Again a false narrative, in my opinion. G-Harris is "efficient" in that he has no volume to anything he does. That is: he is a void on offense except for the 6 FGa he takes per game.

There is a very real reason his PER was 10.5 last season. That places him at about the 300th "best" NBA player.

Here's a new stat for us: FGA per MP (field goal attempts per minute played).
G-Harris was 16th on this team. Carter-Williams was 22% better in this stat than G-Harris. That is embarrassing for him.



Paolo Banchero 0.461538462
Franz Wagner 0.429447853
Jonathan Isaac 0.424778761
Cole Anthony 0.393822394
Markelle Fultz 0.381756757
Wendell Carter Jr. 0.364864865
Jalen Suggs 0.357446809
Moritz Wagner 0.353846154
Michael Carter-Williams 0.318181818
Mo Bamba 0.317647059
R.J. Hampton 0.316546763
Bol Bol 0.31627907
Terrence Ross 0.315555556
Goga Bitadze 0.286666667
Admiral Schofield 0.270491803
Gary Harris 0.259109312
Chuma Okeke 0.234375
Jay Scrubb 0.233333333
Kevon Harris 0.231343284
Caleb Houstan 0.226415094

[zaymon]

People complaining that Gary Harris is too low volume to be an effective floor spacer compared to someone like Buddy Hield or some other high end shooter make me laugh.

Harris barely touches the basketball. He averaged 16.1 front court touches per game last season and he took 6.4 shots per game.

Doing the quick math and factoring in his very small number of FTAs as well, when Gary touched the basketball across halfcourt, more than 40% of the time he put up a shot.

He just doesn't get the ball a lot. Hield averaged 34.0 front court touches per game for the Pacers last season.

Its apparently Gary Harris fault that he didnt pass the ball to himself. For those who question his movement he had higher average speed than Suggs or Ross. His speed on offense is also impressive given he didnt play on the ball and spaced the floor by standing in the corners for long stretches.

It IS G-Harris' fault for not being in position to receive passes. He is a void on offense.

Tell me more about not being in position to receive passes. Is he hiding behind other players ? Sitting on the floor ? Showing his back to ball handler ?
Running away from the ball ?
Players who shoot 40% from 3 are not void on offense. Return to earth, you have good opinions but your negative emotions toward Gary are dubious.

[pepe1991]

Its apparently Gary Harris fault that he didnt pass the ball to himself. For those who question his movement he had higher average speed than Suggs or Ross. His speed on offense is also impressive given he didnt play on the ball and spaced the floor by standing in the corners for long stretches.

It IS G-Harris' fault for not being in position to receive passes. He is a void on offense.

Tell me more about not being in position to receive passes. Is he hiding behind other players ? Sitting on the floor ? Showing his back to ball handler ?
Running away from the ball ?
Players who shoot 40% from 3 are not void on offense. Return to earth, you have good opinions but your negative emotions toward Gary are dubious.

In 36 out of 48 games he scored sub 10 points.
In 21/48 games he had below 2 FGM


In 36/48 games he attemped 0 FTA.

You can't tell me that some of those problems aren't *only his* problems.
If you spend every possession just standing in corner without any motion, most of the nights you will get scraps.

That doesn't even take in account fact he doesn't rebound nor pass.

Wanna hear funny data: from February 5th to end of a season, Garry Harris shot 3 free throw fouls in 23 games he played

There are plenty of teams that survive with guards who are next to usless, hell, some contenders are similar, but Magic don't have enough spacing, so when you have on paper *shooter* and that shooter hardly ever shoots, that creates problem.

He also got lot worst as season progressed on. After allstar game he only averaged 7,6 ppg on 56% TS. So he wasn't even above average at only thing he was doing above average. ( he shot 4 FTA in 18 games post allstar game.. Like dude... somebody would foul you on accident if you average 25 mpg every night ).

[Knightro]

Some of y’all are getting lost in the raw stats sauce.

[RichCollab]

Some of y’all are getting lost in the raw stats sauce.

I would argue Garry Harris was even less impressive on the floor than his stats. He would literally completely disappear on the offensive side for 5 minutes you didn’t even know he was on the floor.

[jonbob17]

So I see RJ got picked up by Miami on a two way.

Now i am a bit biased and wanted the Magic to draft him ahead of Cole...but he's definitely going to have that contract converted and shoot 40% from 3 while playing strong defense...right?

uggh Miami...turning coal into diamonds..or at least putting lipstick on a pig.

[Fortune Teller]

He is so harmful to our offense that he has the highest offensive rating of anyone in the main rotation. And the same was true last season once he got in gameshape (from December 1st onwards).

But who cares, his PPG are low, so he is obviously killing our offense.

Again a false narrative, in my opinion. G-Harris is "efficient" in that he has no volume to anything he does. That is: he is a void on offense except for the 6 FGa he takes per game.

There is a very real reason his PER was 10.5 last season. That places him at about the 300th "best" NBA player.

Here's a new stat for us: FGA per MP (field goal attempts per minute played).
G-Harris was 16th on this team. Carter-Williams was 22% better in this stat than G-Harris. That is embarrassing for him.



Paolo Banchero 0.461538462
Franz Wagner 0.429447853
Jonathan Isaac 0.424778761
Cole Anthony 0.393822394
Markelle Fultz 0.381756757
Wendell Carter Jr. 0.364864865
Jalen Suggs 0.357446809
Moritz Wagner 0.353846154
Michael Carter-Williams 0.318181818
Mo Bamba 0.317647059
R.J. Hampton 0.316546763
Bol Bol 0.31627907
Terrence Ross 0.315555556
Goga Bitadze 0.286666667
Admiral Schofield 0.270491803
Gary Harris 0.259109312
Chuma Okeke 0.234375
Jay Scrubb 0.233333333
Kevon Harris 0.231343284
Caleb Houstan 0.226415094

I'ts hard to blame the distributors, or even the offensive game plan, if every other player on the team is getting up more shots than you and you are the best shooter (by percentage) on the team. There are a lot of guys ahead of him who have no plays called for them and rely mostly on in-game opportunities to shoot. The fact is he's just not involved in the action. He doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, and rarely shoots. So what is the point of him?

This will be his fourth season in Orlando. If they haven't figured out how to get him open yet, and he's not figuring it out on his own, when exactly is that supposed to happen?

[zaymon]

Weltman extended Harris, Mosley starts him. I guess its becouse he is so bad and doesnt even take part in plays coaching staff draws for him. You guys are right, we should take shots from Franz and Paolo, give them to Gary Harris, but we also should tell him shooting 3s by our backcourt players is forbidden, unless he shoots below 30%. If he shoots below 30% on high volume our ball handlers will start to pass him the ball.

[Bergmaniac]

He is so harmful to our offense that he has the highest offensive rating of anyone in the main rotation. And the same was true last season once he got in gameshape (from December 1st onwards).

But who cares, his PPG are low, so he is obviously killing our offense.

Again a false narrative, in my opinion. G-Harris is "efficient" in that he has no volume to anything he does. That is: he is a void on offense except for the 6 FGa he takes per game.

There is a very real reason his PER was 10.5 last season. That places him at about the 300th "best" NBA player.

Here's a new stat for us: FGA per MP (field goal attempts per minute played).
G-Harris was 16th on this team. Carter-Williams was 22% better in this stat than G-Harris. That is embarrassing for him.



Paolo Banchero 0.461538462
Franz Wagner 0.429447853
Jonathan Isaac 0.424778761
Cole Anthony 0.393822394
Markelle Fultz 0.381756757
Wendell Carter Jr. 0.364864865
Jalen Suggs 0.357446809
Moritz Wagner 0.353846154
Michael Carter-Williams 0.318181818
Mo Bamba 0.317647059
R.J. Hampton 0.316546763
Bol Bol 0.31627907
Terrence Ross 0.315555556
Goga Bitadze 0.286666667
Admiral Schofield 0.270491803
Gary Harris 0.259109312
Chuma Okeke 0.234375
Jay Scrubb 0.233333333
Kevon Harris 0.231343284
Caleb Houstan 0.226415094

What "false narrative"? That we are better offensively when he is on the court? That's an undeniable fact, the statistics are very clear about that. In all of your endless complaints about his low PPG you are yet to explain this in any way. If we are "playing 4 on 5 on offense" when he is on the court as you claim, you'd expect the offensive rating to plummet in these minutes but the opposite is happening.

[Knightro]

What "false narrative"? That we are better offensively when he is on the court? That's an undeniable fact, the statistics are very clear about that. In all of your endless complaints about his low PPG you are yet to explain this in any way. If we are "playing 4 on 5 on offense" when he is on the court as you claim, you'd expect the offensive rating to plummet in these minutes but the opposite is happening.

Like I said, people are just getting lost in the sauce on raw stats.

The Magic play better offensively when Harris is on the court compared to when he isn't on the court.

He gets scraps offensively because that basically the only thing the Magic ask him to do offensively. They don't really run pin downs for him. They don't really run floppy action for him. They don't really run horns for him.

They run a bunch of pick and rolls and dribble hand offs where Harris is asked to be stationary in the corner or wing and wait for a ball swing. And if the ball swing doesn't come...

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[Residual-Heat]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-centers-2023-24-season-adebayo-embiid-jokic/

WCJ at 20 behind Portis LOL

[JBSouthpaw]

Talk of Fultz making an all-star roster this contract year, had me thinking about what realistic awards Magic players could be up for, here is what I got:
Comeback player: JI - pretty easy if he stays healthy.
Most improved Fultz - Doesn't think he can reach the ASG, but def. could have this.
6th man - Cole or JI - both are in prime spots to get great minutes coming off the bench.