Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[OrlMagic05]

We need to strike gold with the 15th pick. Unfortunately as well as vuc has been playing, we All know that won’t last a full season. If only we would have lost that last game in 2017 we would have most likely ended up with Dallas’ pick at 5 and we would all be happy with Luka... that last game to this day still stings.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Also on reddit some Magic fans are saying criticizing Fournier is racist... I swear people have the thinnest skin and whine about anything nowadays.

I want DJ, Aminu and Fournier gone.. I wonder if that makes me an equal opportunity racist

you'd be categorized as a Hater according to a few posters here.

[The Effect]

With this missed playoff serie+ economical uncertainty, it s almost guaranteed that Evan will option

Evan expiring will become a very good trading chip

Him and AG should land us some decent assets

Fultz
XXX -ross
XXXX- Chuma
XXXX- Aminu Issac (OUT)
Vuc/Mo/Birch

Hopefully we can bring back wes+Clarck+ennis on the cheap

What if we trade for a guy like culver and draft a SG (or i get my wish and we trade for Shamet), so that would be 2-3 new guys at evans position going into a contract year....would he still want to opt in?

I dont think Culver, Shamet or anybody else we could draft at 15 would be better than Fournier. He is not a star, but servisable starter. People would turn on them the second they realised they cant do half of the things Evan does.

Seems like you and i have differing opinions on evan, because to me, i think theres a ton of other guards who can do everything evan does, plus more, and that includes both shamet and culver.

[Def Swami]

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[Xatticus]

Vucevic + filler (Aminu?)
-for-
Hayward + Robert Williams + 14

Boston would probably like to have Vucevic. They don't have a five that they can use to abuse teams like Milwaukee that collapse into the paint and ignore the big if he pops out after screening.

We'd get a look at Hayward and theoretically still be competitive enough to fight for a playoff slot next year. His next contract will certainly be cheaper than his current deal, so re-signing him is a possibility. You could also try to flip him for something at the deadline, but his salary would make that difficult unless you took back quite a bit of bad money. Orlando is potentially flush with cap space next summer if they negotiate agreeable extensions with Isaac and Fultz. Would that be useful? I don't know.

Williams is a dynamic screen-and-roll man with high potential as a help defender. He has trouble getting on the floor because his basketball IQ is too low, but if it ever clicks, he could be a really nice player. He is a great finisher at the rim and has the athleticism to make highlight plays routinely. You could try to get some other young player off of their roster instead, but I just don't really care for much of what they have. Grant Williams' ceiling is too low for me to care about how smart he is and I don't think Langford would crack our rotation next year.

Boston might just prefer to let Hayward walk after next season with the impending extensions for Brown and Tatum kicking in. They might not have any interest in paying Vucevic. I really doubt they'd take Aminu due to the length of his deal.

[Def Swami]

A trade proposal from Dunking With Wolves

TIMBERWOLVES GET
NO. 15 PICK
AARON GORDON
WESLEY IWUNDU

MAGIC GET
NO. 1 PICK
JAKE LAYMAN
JAMES JOHNSON
JARRED VANDERBIL

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/08/24/minnesota-timberwolves-5-potential-trades-for-the-no-1-pick/amp/6/

[cedric76]

A trade proposal from Dunking With Wolves

TIMBERWOLVES GET
NO. 15 PICK
AARON GORDON
WESLEY IWUNDU

MAGIC GET
NO. 1 PICK
JAKE LAYMAN
JAMES JOHNSON
JARRED VANDERBIL

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/08/24/minnesota-timberwolves-5-potential-trades-for-the-no-1-pick/amp/6/

Yes for me but min wouldn't do it

[dsg2021]

I don’t understand Denton’s wording. How exactly do we need to “get out of” T Ross’ contract? He and Vooch literally have descending contracts and improving playoffs performances and regular seasons.. like, I can’t even explain it simpler than that.

Man, I love me some T Ross, Vooch, AG, ‘Kelle, and JI on the court and as a roster piece. And we have good impressions from lesser, peripheral players like DJ, Ennis, Clark, Birch, Bamba, Iwundu, and Okeke too.

Maybe we have nothing super shiny, and a cap sheet that’s a little fat from hitting nicely on good value contracts, but that sheet is clearing up naturally. Again, the FO is B+ in a game that kinda sucks if you ain’t A+!

[zaymon]

Please just draft a SG, that stands for scoring guard. The chances of our team being good again are tied directly to a miracle draft selection at 15 or wherever we draft.

If Orlando just stays at #15, I feel the same way. No more BPA; just draft for positional need, and that need is a back-up SG. There are loads of projected SGs and combo-guards in the post-lottery part of the draft. This is not hard.

OR: Orlando could trade up to the 8-10 range to get Devin Vassell. As this team is currently built, a 3 and D SG makes a great deal of sense.

Here is a wild thought: Okeke's rights and the #15 for the Knicks #8 pick. Both teams take a risk, but those risks are developmental and not about active NBA players. (Orlando will still have a back-log of forwards next year, and on, and Okeke is not the new-savior; stop the insanity on that point, please. Really, none of us arm-chair GMs have a clue if Okeke can develop NBA level skill sets).





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We dont know how good Okeke is, but that could be said about every prospect. How high would Okeke go this year if healthy ? I would say top 5( better than Okoro, Haliburton, propably Avdija), so i dont see a reason to trade him and another pick for mediocre knicks pick.

[zaymon]

A trade proposal from Dunking With Wolves

TIMBERWOLVES GET
NO. 15 PICK
AARON GORDON
WESLEY IWUNDU

MAGIC GET
NO. 1 PICK
JAKE LAYMAN
JAMES JOHNSON
JARRED VANDERBIL

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/08/24/minnesota-timberwolves-5-potential-trades-for-the-no-1-pick/amp/6/

I heard it before. Makes sense for us and some sense for wolves. Who would we pick ? Ball ? Oh boy.

[FFBlitzace]

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Wait, why can't the player be named Vuc.

[rcklsscognition]

It could be Vuc, but Vuc could play with any other player in the league that isn't a center, so he's the lowest on the list of people to move, but I'd do it as a favor to him if we were going to rebuild. Will go down as the best forgotten player in Magic history.

As far as a rebuild goes, it's not going to happen without the full blessing of the owners, because Welham isn't going to go into their last season rebuilding, they know they'd lose their jobs. We are going into year 4 of their tenure, their contracts are 5 years long. They have to show a path to the ECF or they have to admit they failed and sell ownership they they're the ones to do it the right way, which will be difficult given they had 4 years to try and couldn't even figure out how to move Hennigan's guys and they flubbed on draft pick after draft pick.

I don't think they can go back to the negotiating table for extensions this year, which they will, with a plan to rebuild. So that leaves them with one option, trades that shake things up enough to win now before the trade deadline. They'll try to do something this offseason obviously, then if things don't work out, they'll be left with the trade deadline. Fournier is out of their hands, it's a player option, they could have moved him before but didn't, now they're stuck. AG could have been moved multiple times already but they sat on their hands and now they've got JI out and no one to replace him. The reason this is important is because of their contracts. JI and Fultz are up for extensions and so are the FO. Everything is a mess.

The owners have to decide if they cut their losses on this mini rebuild or they delay it a year on the hopes they draft a star at #15, swing a huge miracle trade, or Chuma is an instant star. We know none of that is going to happen.

[cedric76]

I love vuc but you have to sell high

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Wait, why can't the player be named Vuc.

You can't rebuild and not trade the 1 player who will is talented enough to carry G league bench to pick 15th. If the FO is going to rebuild (which they won't as mentioned below) they'd have to move Vuc & AG IMO.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It could be Vuc, but Vuc could play with any other player in the league that isn't a center, so he's the lowest on the list of people to move, but I'd do it as a favor to him if we were going to rebuild. Will go down as the best forgotten player in Magic history.

As far as a rebuild goes, it's not going to happen without the full blessing of the owners, because Welham isn't going to go into their last season rebuilding, they know they'd lose their jobs. We are going into year 4 of their tenure, their contracts are 5 years long. They have to show a path to the ECF or they have to admit they failed and sell ownership they they're the ones to do it the right way, which will be difficult given they had 4 years to try and couldn't even figure out how to move Hennigan's guys and they flubbed on draft pick after draft pick.

I don't think they can go back to the negotiating table for extensions this year, which they will, with a plan to rebuild. So that leaves them with one option, trades that shake things up enough to win now before the trade deadline. They'll try to do something this offseason obviously, then if things don't work out, they'll be left with the trade deadline. Fournier is out of their hands, it's a player option, they could have moved him before but didn't, now they're stuck. AG could have been moved multiple times already but they sat on their hands and now they've got JI out and no one to replace him. The reason this is important is because of their contracts. JI and Fultz are up for extensions and so are the FO. Everything is a mess.

The owners have to decide if they cut their losses on this mini rebuild or they delay it a year on the hopes they draft a star at #15, swing a huge miracle trade, or Chuma is an instant star. We know none of that is going to happen.

Pretty much nailed it, they're not going to rebuild in the last year of contracts. They're going to have to swing for the fences on buy low targets or overpay for "THE GUY" in the draft. On top of that pray that Chuma is an NBA rotation player from day 1 and he doesn't have any complications or setbacks. I also think they bring back DJ for this exact reason, they have failed to address guard depth and they know DJ. Cliff loves DJ and he's one of 3 dudes who can shoot on this current roster.

The FO has basically backed themselves into a corner FULL OF IF'S and its maddening when we saw this from the 1st year they took over.

[Orlando_Pride]

It could be Vuc, but Vuc could play with any other player in the league that isn't a center, so he's the lowest on the list of people to move, but I'd do it as a favor to him if we were going to rebuild. Will go down as the best forgotten player in Magic history.

As far as a rebuild goes, it's not going to happen without the full blessing of the owners, because Welham isn't going to go into their last season rebuilding, they know they'd lose their jobs. We are going into year 4 of their tenure, their contracts are 5 years long. They have to show a path to the ECF or they have to admit they failed and sell ownership they they're the ones to do it the right way, which will be difficult given they had 4 years to try and couldn't even figure out how to move Hennigan's guys and they flubbed on draft pick after draft pick.

I don't think they can go back to the negotiating table for extensions this year, which they will, with a plan to rebuild. So that leaves them with one option, trades that shake things up enough to win now before the trade deadline. They'll try to do something this offseason obviously, then if things don't work out, they'll be left with the trade deadline. Fournier is out of their hands, it's a player option, they could have moved him before but didn't, now they're stuck. AG could have been moved multiple times already but they sat on their hands and now they've got JI out and no one to replace him. The reason this is important is because of their contracts. JI and Fultz are up for extensions and so are the FO. Everything is a mess.

The owners have to decide if they cut their losses on this mini rebuild or they delay it a year on the hopes they draft a star at #15, swing a huge miracle trade, or Chuma is an instant star. We know none of that is going to happen.

Pretty much nailed it, they're not going to rebuild in the last year of contracts. They're going to have to swing for the fences on buy low targets or overpay for "THE GUY" in the draft. On top of that pray that Chuma is an NBA rotation player from day 1 and he doesn't have any complications or setbacks. I also think they bring back DJ for this exact reason, they have failed to address guard depth and they know DJ. Cliff loves DJ and he's one of 3 dudes who can shoot on this current roster.

The FO has basically backed themselves into a corner FULL OF IF'S and its maddening when we saw this from the 1st year they took over.

I know this is probably what happens but thats so frustrating. If there was a time to take a step back its now. Fans see what we have and know its not enough. The only 2 we are excited about is Fultz and Isaac. I dont love having a Ball on this team but having someone that can shoot from anywhere would be fun to have on this team. I am just tired of spending and drafting big (Pf/C). The league keeps going farther from the basket and we want to do the opposite. I would literally sell Ross, Vuc, and AG for future scorers. Give Fultz, Okeke and Bamba the team next year and allow them to grow and make mistakes. Hopefully get another Top 10 pick next year and start over and cross our fingers it wont take as long as the last rebuild.

[drsd]

I love vuc but you have to sell high

Every player on the Magic roster is tradeable. For Vučević, the Magic might ask for $1.05 on the dollar.

For example, the Wiggins and #2 for Vučević is in the realm of possibility.


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[drsd]

A trade proposal from Dunking With Wolves

TIMBERWOLVES GET
NO. 15 PICK
AARON GORDON
WESLEY IWUNDU

MAGIC GET
NO. 1 PICK
JAKE LAYMAN
JAMES JOHNSON
JARRED VANDERBIL

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/08/24/minnesota-timberwolves-5-potential-trades-for-the-no-1-pick/amp/6/

This idea does appear to be from the Baby-wolves perspective. My thoughts is that the Magic is trading Gordon and a SnT-Iwundu the Magic will not keep for bench depth and Edwards.

I think this is way more than fair for Orlando. Gordon for the overall #1 is already a lot; and the depth proposed (Layman in particular) is more than a strawberry on top.

Frankly if Orlando gets this kind of deal for Gordon, I would be very happy,


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[drsd]

We dont know how good Okeke is, ....

We also do not know how good are: Dylan Windler, Marcos Louzada Silva, Deividas Sirvydis, Jaylen Hands, nor Vanja Marinković.

All of these are also prospect selections in the same draft class as Okeke that have also not logged a single NBA second.

Frankly; that Vic Law has an NBA basket makes him more of a real prospect over Okeke in my mind.


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[dsg2021]

A REAL FO would trade Vooch, AG, T Ross, or one of JI or 'Kelle, #15 for a future pick with great gambling chances at being top 1-7. None of this trading up in 2020 where literally no analysts see any superstar potential. One good example already is GS' 2021 1st from MIN (top 3 prot. in 2021, unprot. in 2022). The balls would be massive on that, so much respect. Reminds of when many of us wanted a cap space window for CP3 with Dwight, instead of hopes and dreams on a rainbow for a trade. Don't rely on anyone but yourself.