2025 NBA Draft

[pepe1991]

Our forwards have 27 AST%, we need shooting around them

Force fed in playmaking that they aren't that good at nor that comfortable nor do reads on time. And as a result, they pass hot potatoes with expiring shot clock in hands of shooters, than shooters get a blame from missing shots with 0,4 on a clock from 35 feet while faced in wrong direction.

That happened in Celtics series like 50 times in 5 games.

[cedric76]

Our forwards have 27 AST%, we need shooting around them

Force fed in playmaking that they aren't that good at nor that comfortable nor do reads on time. And as a result, they pass hot potatoes with expiring shot clock in hands of shooters, than shooters get a blame from missing shots with 0,4 on a clock from 35 feet while faced in wrong direction.

That happened in Celtics series like 50 times in 5 games.

Suggs and Clayton could solve that problem?

[pepe1991]

Our forwards have 27 AST%, we need shooting around them

Force fed in playmaking that they aren't that good at nor that comfortable nor do reads on time. And as a result, they pass hot potatoes with expiring shot clock in hands of shooters, than shooters get a blame from missing shots with 0,4 on a clock from 35 feet while faced in wrong direction.

That happened in Celtics series like 50 times in 5 games.

Suggs and Clayton could solve that problem?

Problem is lack of table setting guards. Again, Pacers and Knicks are great example of teams who's best players manipulate defense and break some of most elite defenses nba has without much issue.


6'10 people simply aren't designed to do so, lack of surprise burst, lack of ability to shoot off dribble outside will always be issue.

I have no clue how Clayton will hold in nba, he will be rookie, people have unrealistic expectations about him, imo.
Suggs as ball handler isn't that good.

I think main issue was ignoring PG position for years and ignoring that PG is most important position in nba. Just because over years some teams managed to overcome lack of elite PGs to win a title ( mainly Lebron led teams) that doesn't mean it's best way to build roster.
Even Lebron won with Kyrie and in other two titles had Wade who could slot into PG role if needed.

Pistons roster was mediocre from top to bottom, but with Cade himself, they looked better vs Knicks than Celtics do.

As it looks today in Conference Finals you will have 3 out of top 6-7 best PGs in nba.
OKC- SGA
Brunson- Knicks
Hali- Pacers

And Steph would be there with Warriors, if he didn't get hurt.


You don't need superstar PG, but it's much easier to be great with one. Because elite guard is most skilled person on the floor. Because in order to be elite guard, you have to be one of the best in the world, in pool of millions of people of same size, weight.
Just some numbers. There are around 32 million people taller than 6'2.

On entire planet, only around 500 000 people are taller than 6'7 .

So yea, competition created super-elite guards, and only selective few get to nba. Where being very tall makes selection among players and competition is hard, but nowhere near as stiff as it is among guards.

Gets even easier taller you are, In US there is only around 21 000 people who are 6'10 or taller. Probably 60% of them are too old to play. Meaning your "nba competition" is around 9000. Also probably half of them are too slow, don't have skills, never played sport, aren't coordinated etc.

[fendilim]

True, so how much do you think we paid for Paolo?

lmao

I mean... mayb the league, like 99% of thr basketball world, thought we were getting Jabari so it wasn't too high a price....

I guess that makes Weltman a genius

[basketballRob]

Jokic is really the PG on Denver. Murray was a converted SG coming out of college.

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[djguevara114]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

[eyriq]

Our forwards have 27 AST%, we need shooting around them

Force fed in playmaking that they aren't that good at nor that comfortable nor do reads on time. And as a result, they pass hot potatoes with expiring shot clock in hands of shooters, than shooters get a blame from missing shots with 0,4 on a clock from 35 feet while faced in wrong direction.

That happened in Celtics series like 50 times in 5 games.

They show tremendous promise as playmakers and are getting better.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

[T-Cat]

I wonder if Orlando would inquire about the #2 pick from the Spurs?

[fendilim]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

Honestly, I think Weltman should consider moving Cole and TDS to move up. I think we can get better options that those two.

[T-Cat]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

Honestly, I think Weltman should consider moving Cole and TDS to move up. I think we can get better options that those two.

Cole Anthony has no trade value unfortunately

[djguevara114]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

I truly hope we don't give up picks this year for Simons/Sexton/White/etc. If this was a weak draft I'd be all for it, but all drafts are not the same. If they want to give up future picks fine. In terms of roster space, I think you combo players in a trade decline options to make space. This is a summer that requires savvy and based on the trade we made to get PHX/WAS swap next summer--I'm hoping we come through. Moving up from 16 or 25 utilizing Jett/TDS/Black/Goga is an option as well (as I saw someone else respond).

[basketballRob]

I'm learning more towards Fleming today. He's fast, can guard the perimeter, can shoot, and plays with force. If Goga or Isaac are moved, he'd be a good replacement.

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[basketballRob]

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[Skybox]

I am all for upgrading our roster and trading defense for offense, but I don't think giving up our picks IN THIS DRAFT is wise--it's a knee jerk reaction to a problem. Reminds me of our "win now", "put chips in" trade sending Oladipo, Sabonis to OKC for Ibaka. This draft is incredibly deep and where we are picking could give us two players on affordable contracts that are key contributors. I think we need to trade current players and future picks 2027, 2028, 2029 (when we anticipate being good and low picks). We can always use 2nd round capital to move into late 1st those years.

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

Honestly, I think Weltman should consider moving Cole and TDS to move up. I think we can get better options that those two.

We could probably get #21 for Cole and #16.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Orlando doesn't have the roster space for 2 1st round picks even with trades honestly. You've got 11 guaranteed contracts already, 3 options with Moe W (picked up or extended), Gary Harris (could be picked up as 3rd/4th guard or cut), Caleb Houstan (cheap SF depth). So right there you're looking at 13 guaranteed contracts with 1 spot left. I could see Orlando throw Queen a smaller 2 year deal, he's shown enough to be a 13th 14th man

What I think will happen is 16 gets packaged with 2 players to get us 20-30M in salary (Isaac, Black, KCP, Jett, Goga, TDS) for a Simons/Sexton/White type of player. Orlando then turns around and uses some of the MLE on a C/wing depth depending on who gets moved.

Honestly, I think Weltman should consider moving Cole and TDS to move up. I think we can get better options that those two.

We could probably get #21 for Cole and #16.

just don't get the appeal of using cole to move up... unless the FO is absolutely stuck on someone which from what we've seen they're fine just sitting still and taking BPA

[89Magicfan]

I’m not looking forward to this draft for us. Rather use the picks in a trade.

[dsg2021]

We need to put a microscope on Dylan Harper stats and clips/full game tapes since SAS is genuinely open to shopping the #2 pick. Our backcourt is that bad of a shape that a rookie is still a win-now move, lol.

SAS are good drafters, so that's already one small red flag for Dylan Harper that SAS isn't just like "Dylan is a Spur" like DAL did with Cooper already. I got D'Angelo Russell vibes from Harper in admittedly very, very little clips watching. But any scouting reports that say a James Harden comp like it does with Harper is my dream player, lol.

[VFX]

Given the context of this particular draft, I could easily see Fears dropping to Orlando.

I would be fine with that if Orlando doesnt move #16.