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Who would you like to see the Magic draft ?

PG Marquis Teague
24
20%
PG/SG Tony Wroten
20
17%
SF Jeff Taylor
5
4%
PG Kendall Marshall
41
34%
SF Terrance Ross
3
3%
SF Quincy Miller
14
12%
PF Arnett Moultrie
4
3%
PF Andrew Nicholson
9
8%
 
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Re: 2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ... 

Post#1301 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:40 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:People don't have Royce high because he plays the only position we have a surplus of, is a weak defender, and needs to dominate the ball to be effective. Good player, bad fit here IMO.


He could play the 3 or 4 doesn't really matter much but he does have the length and enough quickness to be average guarding 3s. Royce doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective and I think he would be a great fit here. White would give us a player who would be able to create and prolly have the best vision on the team.


Royce has zero chance of covering NBA level small forwards. The guy is 270 pounds and not nearly a quick enough athlete to stay in front of guys.

White does some things very well, but I don't like his fit here at all.
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Post#1302 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:43 pm

Cammo101 wrote:People don't have Royce high because he plays the only position we have a surplus of, is a weak defender, and needs to dominate the ball to be effective. Good player, bad fit here IMO.

He's a SF, not a PF. We don't have surplus of talent at SF. If you think he's a PF, then you must also think Lebron is a PF.

Is a weak defender? Ya, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

Ineffective without the ball you say? He's the only player in college who lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. Take away the scoring and you still have a VERY effective player. Just because he can play point forward doesn't mean without the ball, he's ineffective.
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Post#1303 » by Dgbarnes » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:43 pm

Cammo101 wrote:People don't have Royce high because he plays the only position we have a surplus of, is a weak defender, and needs to dominate the ball to be effective. Good player, bad fit here IMO.


I wouldnt be opposed to him dominating the ball, it would relieve Jameer and probabbly put him in a better position as sort of the Jason Terryish guard. Not to mention he's a better facilitator than Meer to begin with.
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Post#1304 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:45 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:People don't have Royce high because he plays the only position we have a surplus of, is a weak defender, and needs to dominate the ball to be effective. Good player, bad fit here IMO.


He could play the 3 or 4 doesn't really matter much but he does have the length and enough quickness to be average guarding 3s. Royce doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective and I think he would be a great fit here. White would give us a player who would be able to create and prolly have the best vision on the team.


Royce has zero chance of covering NBA level small forwards. The guy is 270 pounds and not nearly a quick enough athlete to stay in front of guys.

White does some things very well, but I don't like his fit here at all.

You just sound confused.

"Super-intriguing prospect with lottery-level tools and talent ... Thick, powerful and intimidating frame ... Aggressive athlete that likes to attack the rim ... Possesses great speed for someone his size ... Runs the court extremely well, especially with the ball in his hands ... Doesn't have a problem with pulling down a defensive rebound and then leading the fast-break himself ... Remarkable ball-handler ... Doesn't have the loose dribble that a lot of other taller players have ... Sharp crossover that becomes deadly when he picks up some speed ... Passing ability rivals a lot of point guard prospects ... Good awareness of where his teammates are on the court and skilled at delivering the ball to them in a position to score ... Strong area rebounder ... Boxes out well ... Respectable mid-range shooter ... Has the strength and quickness to be an excellent scorer in the post ... Should be an incredibly difficult player to matchup against ... Won't be a great shot-blocker, but has all the tools to defend power forwards well in the NBA ... Led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks during his freshman season ...

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Post#1305 » by SolidSnake008 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:53 pm

Royce has a high BBIQ that could help defensively....
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Post#1306 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:57 pm

Skin wrote:White does some things very well, but I don't like his fit here at all.

You just sound confused.

"Super-intriguing prospect with lottery-level tools and talent ... Thick, powerful and intimidating frame ... Aggressive athlete that likes to attack the rim ... Possesses great speed for someone his size ... Runs the court extremely well, especially with the ball in his hands ... Doesn't have a problem with pulling down a defensive rebound and then leading the fast-break himself ... Remarkable ball-handler ... Doesn't have the loose dribble that a lot of other taller players have ... Sharp crossover that becomes deadly when he picks up some speed ... Passing ability rivals a lot of point guard prospects ... Good awareness of where his teammates are on the court and skilled at delivering the ball to them in a position to score ... Strong area rebounder ... Boxes out well ... Respectable mid-range shooter ... Has the strength and quickness to be an excellent scorer in the post ... Should be an incredibly difficult player to matchup against ... Won't be a great shot-blocker, but has all the tools to defend power forwards well in the NBA ... Led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks during his freshman season ...

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You just made my point for me. He has all the tools to defend PF's okay, but right now he is an average defender of PF's and he would be a downright terrible defender of NBA small forwards. He could play SF on offense, but not defense.

White and Ryno as our 2 forward is a defensive nightmare.
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Post#1307 » by Dgbarnes » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:03 am

Cammo101 wrote:
Skin wrote:White does some things very well, but I don't like his fit here at all.

You just sound confused.

"Super-intriguing prospect with lottery-level tools and talent ... Thick, powerful and intimidating frame ... Aggressive athlete that likes to attack the rim ... Possesses great speed for someone his size ... Runs the court extremely well, especially with the ball in his hands ... Doesn't have a problem with pulling down a defensive rebound and then leading the fast-break himself ... Remarkable ball-handler ... Doesn't have the loose dribble that a lot of other taller players have ... Sharp crossover that becomes deadly when he picks up some speed ... Passing ability rivals a lot of point guard prospects ... Good awareness of where his teammates are on the court and skilled at delivering the ball to them in a position to score ... Strong area rebounder ... Boxes out well ... Respectable mid-range shooter ... Has the strength and quickness to be an excellent scorer in the post ... Should be an incredibly difficult player to matchup against ... Won't be a great shot-blocker, but has all the tools to defend power forwards well in the NBA ... Led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks during his freshman season ...

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You just made my point for me. He has all the tools to defend PF's okay, but right now he is an average defender of PF's and he would be a downright terrible defender of NBA small forwards. He could play SF on offense, but not defense.

White and Ryno as our 2 forward is a defensive nightmare.[/quote]

I feel like as long as Dwight is in the middle, our forwards can somewhat lack defensively. Not to mention would White be any worse than Hedo defensively? Lastly, I dont think you're giving Royce enough credit, he was at least average defensively this past year.
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Post#1308 » by Truth24 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:07 am

Cammo101 wrote:
PerryJonesIII wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:People don't have Royce high because he plays the only position we have a surplus of, is a weak defender, and needs to dominate the ball to be effective. Good player, bad fit here IMO.


He could play the 3 or 4 doesn't really matter much but he does have the length and enough quickness to be average guarding 3s. Royce doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective and I think he would be a great fit here. White would give us a player who would be able to create and prolly have the best vision on the team.


Royce has zero chance of covering NBA level small forwards. The guy is 270 pounds and not nearly a quick enough athlete to stay in front of guys.

White does some things very well, but I don't like his fit here at all.


What does his weight have to do with his quickness, because he is very quick for his size and he is more 260 then 270. I'm not saying he is going to be a lock down defender but he will be able to guard threes in the nba because of his length and IQ.
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Post#1309 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:08 am

So we think that an average defender of PF's in the Big 12 will be a decent defender of NBA small forward? At 270 pounds? Not happening.

I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.
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Post#1310 » by j-ragg » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:18 am

Cammo101 wrote:
I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


It's not 2009. Hedo sucks on defense.
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Post#1311 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:20 am

j-ragg wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


It's not 2009. Hedo sucks on defense.


I agree. I'd like someone who can actually defend small forwards playing the 3. As in not Royce or Hedo.
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Post#1312 » by Truth24 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:22 am

Cammo101 wrote:So we think that an average defender of PF's in the Big 12 will be a decent defender of NBA small forward? At 270 pounds? Not happening.

I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


I'm not sure why you think White is an average defender, when the only guy that actually gave him some problems was Thomas Robinson and that was a big time battle.
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Post#1313 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:27 am

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Cammo101 wrote:So we think that an average defender of PF's in the Big 12 will be a decent defender of NBA small forward? At 270 pounds? Not happening.

I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


I'm not sure why you think White is an average defender, when the only guy that actually gave him some problems was Thomas Robinson and that was a big time battle.


He is a decent defender, but the Big 12 was not exactly loaded with standout bigs and the one gave him problems. That said, I don't think he will end up a bad defender at PF, and he has the tools to be a good one with some time. I like him a lot as a power forward. But, that is the one position we actually have covered.

Why try to force a natural power forward to play out of position when there are plenty of quality players in this draft who can help us at need spots? Guys like Jeff Taylor and Moe Harkless are natural small forwards with just as much upside, without having to play out of position.
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Post#1314 » by Skin » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:28 am

PerryJonesIII wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:So we think that an average defender of PF's in the Big 12 will be a decent defender of NBA small forward? At 270 pounds? Not happening.

I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


I'm not sure why you think White is an average defender, when the only guy that actually gave him some problems was Thomas Robinson and that was a big time battle.

He doesn't have a clue. I asked him to explain how White is a weak defender and he couldn't explain himself. He's not comprehending 6'8, 260 pounds as being capable despite that being similar in stature to Lebron. Ask people if Lebron can't defend. LOL.

...and he won't acknowledgethat white is closer to 260 than 270. :lol:
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Post#1315 » by The Effect » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:55 am

God i cant wait for friday to get here so we know exactly what this team is going to look like for a while and we can stop speculating about all this stuff (well except who the HC is gonna be)
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Post#1316 » by Truth24 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:57 am

Cammo101 wrote:
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Cammo101 wrote:So we think that an average defender of PF's in the Big 12 will be a decent defender of NBA small forward? At 270 pounds? Not happening.

I like Royce a lot, but he would be much worse than Hedo (who is an underrated defender when motivated) against NBA small forwards.


I'm not sure why you think White is an average defender, when the only guy that actually gave him some problems was Thomas Robinson and that was a big time battle.


He is a decent defender, but the Big 12 was not exactly loaded with standout bigs and the one gave him problems. That said, I don't think he is a bad defender at PF, and he has the tools to be a good one with some time. I like him a lot as a power forward. But, that is the one position we actually have covered.

Why try to force a natural power forward to play out of position when there are plenty of quality players in this draft who can help us at need spots? Guys like Jeff Taylor and Moe Harkless are natural small forwards with just as much upside, without having to play out of position.


I know everyone keeps saying we are loaded at the four spot and I can see why people think that but we really aren't. Right now we have three guys are the four in BBD, Ryno, and Harper but if you really look at the situation we only really have one and a half. Ryno is a RFA and I believe he is gone because a team will offer him to much money for us to match. Harper is a tweener who really doesn't have the size to play the four primarily. So that leaves us with Glen and Harper who is a tweener and hasn't shown anything. So I don't think we are really stacked at the four and could use another body, although I believe White has the ability to play either the three or four.

The truth is Royce isn't a bad defender or struggle against anyone in the big 12 or outside of the big 12. On the year Royce average 1.2 steals a game along with .9 blocks and game and when he played against ranked opponets it was 2.0 steals a game and 1 block a game.

This is what the best players in the big 12 did going against Royce.

Perry Jones: 8-13 for 18 points
Perry Jones: 5-11 for 10 points

The first game Royce got into early foul trouble and Perry got into a really good grove in the second game Royce didn't get into foul trouble and gave Perry fits.

Thomas Robinson: 4-10 for 11 points
Thomas Robinson: 5-11 for 13 points

Royce struggled early in both games, where Robinson got a couple buckets early but really started to give Robinson fits as the game wore on. This is a common theme for Royce it always takes him a few minutes to find his rythem in games.

I believe that Royce has the length and atleast enough amount of quickness to be able to stay with NBA 3's. I don't think he will ever be a great defender but I do see him being able to be a decent defender and with Dwight thats all we need. I also like Royce for either the 3 or 4 spot so it really doesn't matter to me.
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Post#1317 » by Skin » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:16 am

PJ3, you are a quality poster man. I like talking draft with you.

*Now let's get a room* LOL. Had to say it before someone else did. hahaha
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Post#1318 » by magicman123 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:22 am

royce white sounds like the perfect magic player

average defender at best
cant shoot free throws (49%)
cant shoot from outside
has anxiety problems
scared of an airplane
turnover prone
another power forward
and hes a thief so he wont have a problem stealing our money
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Post#1319 » by SolidSnake008 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:26 am

magicman123 wrote:royce white sounds like the perfect magic player

average defender at best
cant shoot free throws (49%)
cant shoot from outside
has anxiety problems
scared of an airplane
turnover prone
another power forward
and hes a thief so he wont have a problem stealing our money

don't know if this is sarcastic or not but it seems you just read off a sheet his negatives....watch some interviews with the guy....he sounds like a great kid
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Post#1320 » by Skin » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:41 am

magicman123 wrote:royce white sounds like the perfect magic player

average defender at best
cant shoot free throws (49%)
cant shoot from outside
has anxiety problems
scared of an airplane
turnover prone
another power forward
and hes a thief so he wont have a problem stealing our money

I'm only concerned about his FT%. The good outweighs the rest.

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