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Zmill wrote:Skin wrote:
Trading for Bynum comes with much higher risk than trading for Kevin Martin, prospects, picks and cap relief.
There is definitely risk in the draft/prospects. I know everyone is high on OKC..but busts happen. I'm not sure how you can say Bynum is a risk and the draft is not.
The Effect wrote:TheMagicOne wrote:2nd Trade -
Magic Get - KMart, Lamb, Parsons & Toronto's 1st pick (& negotiate it to be the 2014 pick)
Houston Get - Gasol
Umm.......That sounds like more than they would give us for dwight himself
OrlandO wrote:What are you talking about. I already said there was nothing wrong with him picking family, location, culture over playing in the NBA... I was making a point that his basketball career is not even close to his highest priority, and that's why it was obvious he would not ever come here. People with drive/passion often give up a lot in life to further their careers... Fran is not one of those people. His desire peaked a long, long time ago. He reached the level where he wanted to be within his comfort zone and stayed there. He does not care enough to take his game to the next level.
LarsV8 wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is simply no way Houston is trading anything of value for Gasol.
The Gasol deal from last year was to make a run with Lowry/Nene/Gasol.
New year, new players, new plan.
Houston is willing to offer:
Toronto pick +
Pick One:
Jones
White
Lamb
+
Pick One:
Morris
Parsons
Motiejunas
Kmart
+
Pick One:
BBDavis
Jrich
Hedo
Duhon
QRich
For a rental of Dwight Howard. If you can beat that deal with LAL, LAC or whomever, then do it.
TheMagicOne wrote:I think no matter what we would want Bynum and take our chances because it is the hardest position in the league to fill and the chances of us getting another chance at a center of his caliber is more remote than actually getting lucky enough to draft one.
Bynum, minus his uncertain health, is really the only true back to the basket center in the league. He has been tutored by Jabbar for years and now he has a more refined game. He is in the position to go to a team he can call his own. One year with the Magic making him the center piece may be all it takes to get him long term. Also because of his still young age he could grow with Nicholson and any other young piece we put next to him. If we have a chance to get him and move out out long term contracts that puts us in the position to go after Ellis next summer and maybe even CP3.
Point being is we would be reloading versus rebuilding and it may be a better long term result.
It seems many magic fans forget how hard it has been to replace Shaq since he left. It took Howard until 2008 to actually be considered in Shaq's shoes. That is 12 years from the time Shaq left. I do not think Magic fans are prepared to last 12 more years for another future. SO you go and get the future now in Bynum and make him the team.
TheMagicOne wrote:BTW the very fact that the Lakers are now publicly seeking a meeting with Howard tells you how far advanced the talks are and that Bynum is probably getting moved. You do not have something like this get leaked and risk upsetting your roster like you did last year with the botched CP3 trade.
I imagine this is going to end up being our trading partner whether Magic fans like it or not.
LarsV8 wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is simply no way Houston is trading anything of value for Gasol.
The Gasol deal from last year was to make a run with Lowry/Nene/Gasol.
New year, new players, new plan.
Houston is willing to offer:
Toronto pick +
Pick One:
Jones
White
Lamb
+
Pick One:
Morris
Parsons
Motiejunas
Kmart
+
Pick One:
BBDavis
Jrich
Hedo
Duhon
QRich
For a rental of Dwight Howard. If you can beat that deal with LAL, LAC or whomever, then do it.
ThatFloridaDude wrote:TheMagicOne wrote:I think no matter what we would want Bynum and take our chances because it is the hardest position in the league to fill and the chances of us getting another chance at a center of his caliber is more remote than actually getting lucky enough to draft one.
Bynum, minus his uncertain health, is really the only true back to the basket center in the league. He has been tutored by Jabbar for years and now he has a more refined game. He is in the position to go to a team he can call his own. One year with the Magic making him the center piece may be all it takes to get him long term. Also because of his still young age he could grow with Nicholson and any other young piece we put next to him. If we have a chance to get him and move out out long term contracts that puts us in the position to go after Ellis next summer and maybe even CP3.
Point being is we would be reloading versus rebuilding and it may be a better long term result.
It seems many magic fans forget how hard it has been to replace Shaq since he left. It took Howard until 2008 to actually be considered in Shaq's shoes. That is 12 years from the time Shaq left. I do not think Magic fans are prepared to last 12 more years for another future. SO you go and get the future now in Bynum and make him the team.
Props to you man. This is exactly why I have high hopes of us doing a Bynum package. It makes sense to trade an All-Star for an All-Star in the same position. Guards will always come and we have enough forwards. Centers are easily the hardest positions to fill.
LarsV8 wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is simply no way Houston is trading anything of value for Gasol.
(Won't quote the whole thing cuz it's too big
rcklsscognition wrote:Don't forget Gasol has a 15% trade kicker on his contract.
jezzer45 wrote:i like bynum/nicholson duo down low. But I love the rooks/potential massive salary dump that houston could provide. My guess is that henny wants the rooks but alex and devos might just opt for bynum.
LarsV8 wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is simply no way Houston is trading anything of value for Gasol.
The Gasol deal from last year was to make a run with Lowry/Nene/Gasol.
New year, new players, new plan.
Houston is willing to offer:
Toronto pick +
Pick One:
Jones
White
Lamb
+
Pick One:
Morris
Parsons
Motiejunas
Kmart
+
Pick One:
BBDavis
Jrich
Hedo
Duhon
QRich
For a rental of Dwight Howard. If you can beat that deal with LAL, LAC or whomever, then do it.
Damn .. Jarrod N Rudolph @JRudolphSports
Chasing the right deal for Dwight has caused the Nets some stress and alienated Brook Lopez. I'm not sure they'll make another run at Dwight
Jarrod N Rudolph @JRudolphSports
If Lopez can improve his rebounding, defense and FG percentage, they may decided to stick with him long-term.
Really? Turning things around now? If anything, Henny should never deal with Brooklyn again cvMagic wrote:ThatFloridaDude wrote:TheMagicOne wrote:I think no matter what we would want Bynum and take our chances because it is the hardest position in the league to fill and the chances of us getting another chance at a center of his caliber is more remote than actually getting lucky enough to draft one.
Bynum, minus his uncertain health, is really the only true back to the basket center in the league. He has been tutored by Jabbar for years and now he has a more refined game. He is in the position to go to a team he can call his own. One year with the Magic making him the center piece may be all it takes to get him long term. Also because of his still young age he could grow with Nicholson and any other young piece we put next to him. If we have a chance to get him and move out out long term contracts that puts us in the position to go after Ellis next summer and maybe even CP3.
Point being is we would be reloading versus rebuilding and it may be a better long term result.
It seems many magic fans forget how hard it has been to replace Shaq since he left. It took Howard until 2008 to actually be considered in Shaq's shoes. That is 12 years from the time Shaq left. I do not think Magic fans are prepared to last 12 more years for another future. SO you go and get the future now in Bynum and make him the team.
Props to you man. This is exactly why I have high hopes of us doing a Bynum package. It makes sense to trade an All-Star for an All-Star in the same position. Guards will always come and we have enough forwards. Centers are easily the hardest positions to fill.
Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.
Ahmadab wrote:cvMagic wrote:ThatFloridaDude wrote:
Props to you man. This is exactly why I have high hopes of us doing a Bynum package. It makes sense to trade an All-Star for an All-Star in the same position. Guards will always come and we have enough forwards. Centers are easily the hardest positions to fill.
Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.
Bynum couldn't play and integral role in a championship team, even with a perimeter player like Kobe, and a partner in the post like Gasol. You guys want to pair him up with someone like Ellis in Orlando and expect to win a championship ? please.
Ahmadab wrote:cv wrote:
Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.
Bynum couldn't play and integral role in a championship team, even with a perimeter player like Kobe, and a partner in the post like Gasol. You guys want to pair him up with someone like Ellis in Orlando and expect to win a championship ? please.
