Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIV "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

[rcklsscognition]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 7h
Mavericks continuing to shop the No. 13 pick to preserve cap space for this summer. Several execs say they are not asking for much, either

wonder why we haven't jumped on it yet. maybe the mavs want to wait until draft day? or maybe we really don't want marion at all?

I may be wrong, but I think I remember reading something about them waiting until draft day. Something about a future pick means they need to select and swap. I might also be on the crystal meth.

[orlando1214]

Tobias Harris working out with MCW.

Jay Hernandez ‏@ProHoops 3h
@tobias31 @MCW1 @ReggieBullock35 and CJ sharpening each others skills. #earlywork pic.twitter.com/im4jHwvHP6

Michael Carter-Willi ‏@MCW1 6h
Just got done with a great workout #draftdreams #5henergy

That's awesome! I would love for the Magic to pick McLemore with the 2nd pick and then get the 13th pick from the Mavs and pick MCW.

[rcklsscognition]

Ok, I did remember correctly, Mavs can't trade until they draft a guy...

They owe a pick to the Thunder next year and base off of NBA rules, they can’t trade their pick till draft night. But what they can do is make a prearranged deal with a team and then on draft night, they select a player that they’ve made a prearranged deal with a team. As soon as they draft him, they can trade the draft rights and get around the NBA rule that way. They could technically draft an international player. There are other ways around it. But the likely scenario is that the pick is moved.”

[Truth24]

Two late first round talents? Really?

Hardaway will be a late lotto pick and if Ledo played in college we would be discussing him at number two instead of McLemore or Dipo.

I always wondered what crystal meth was like. Think you showed me.

This says all kinds of things about yourself if you have always wondered what crystal meth was like.

I personally don't see much of a difference when I look at Tim, Ricky, or Ben except that Tim and Ricky are able to create better. They are all spot shooters with really good athleticism and they all can cut and do other little things. I really don't see what separates Ben from the other shooting guards that I would want to take him with the second pick. I have been saying this and I will keep saying this I would rather have Tim Hardaway or Ricky Ledo with a mid first then take Ben McLemore with the second pick.

[LC_Magic]

I wanted Burke, I'm kinda on Mclemore, I would be happy with either If I'm honest, the swaying point is trading for #13 and getting a PG, one of the examples given. IF I knew we could get Wiggins/Parker/Randle I would take Burke and go

2014

Burke
Harkless
Wiggins/Parker
HarrisORRandle
Vucevic




I don't know where or what we will get next summer so the safe/r option is Mclemore and trade for the pick


MCW/Nelson
Mclemore/Jones
Harkless
Harris/Nicholson
Vucevic/KOQ


Then whoever we get in 2014 can be best player available and we will be looking STRONG. I wonder if we could trade #13 then trade UP for whoever took Burke at #6 or #7? A deal involving Afflalo or Davis? I can only see the Pelicans interested in a deal for those guys, they are a little further along than Sacramento in their rebuild

[KillMonger]

Mclemore by himself would be a meh for me but paired with MCW now you're onto something but how will we be able to pull that off? he probably won't be there at 13 if we try to deal with dallas

[KillMonger]

I might get flamed but i kind of agree with Truth, i might be on meth too. I think Hardaway vs Mclemore head to head is interesting maybe not so much stat wise but size and skillset wise i think Hardaway can hold his own. Truth what separates them is the perceived potential, Quite a few think Mclemore can be an All-Star and Hardaway may not have that kind of potential. Besides that i do think Hardaway matches up well to Mclemore strictly off of eye test and not looking at stats mind you

[tiderulz]

I like the idea of a veteran presence, but not sure how happy Marion would be here. Maybe he puts on a show the first half and then gets moved to a contender? I'd prefer that over a multi-year commitment of similar total dollars to Robinson.

Robinson is only guaranteed next years salary. The following years are team options.

[MagicFan32]

can we stop making grand proclamations about players who have yet to play NBA games? the hate for mclemore here is unreal.

expecting him to come in and own kansas is a joke! it's like expecting a rookie to come onto an NBA roster and take over that team, it takes TIME. You earn that respect, Shabazz tried to take over UCLA and we all know how that turned out. If we take ben mclemore he will have plenty of time to GROW into himself as a player if he is going to put in the work then he can be a great player, people were writing off bradley beal early last year to but he learned, matured and grew alot as a player.

i don't care who we pick but let's stop saying _____ is going to suck, be mediocre etc

[G-Heel]

can we stop making grand proclamations about players who have yet to play NBA games? the hate for mclemore here is unreal.

expecting him to come in and own kansas is a joke! it's like expecting a rookie to come onto an NBA roster and take over that team, it takes TIME. You earn that respect, Shabazz tried to take over UCLA and we all know how that turned out. If we take ben mclemore he will have plenty of time to GROW into himself as a player if he is going to put in the work then he can be a great player, people were writing off bradley beal early last year to but he learned, matured and grew alot as a player.

i don't care who we pick but let's stop saying _____ is going to suck, be mediocre etc

What hate? About 90% people here want McLemore. Most of the last 10% never said he sucks, we only said we prefer Oladipo over him.

[G-Heel]

I like the idea of a veteran presence, but not sure how happy Marion would be here. Maybe he puts on a show the first half and then gets moved to a contender? I'd prefer that over a multi-year commitment of similar total dollars to Robinson.

Robinson is only guaranteed next years salary. The following years are team options.

I swear I said this a couple of times already, people just missing that part. That is the reason why it'd be smart to take a chance on him. He's an expiring if he doesn't work out, I don't know what more people want!!

[MagicFan32]

can we stop making grand proclamations about players who have yet to play NBA games? the hate for mclemore here is unreal.

expecting him to come in and own kansas is a joke! it's like expecting a rookie to come onto an NBA roster and take over that team, it takes TIME. You earn that respect, Shabazz tried to take over UCLA and we all know how that turned out. If we take ben mclemore he will have plenty of time to GROW into himself as a player if he is going to put in the work then he can be a great player, people were writing off bradley beal early last year to but he learned, matured and grew alot as a player.

i don't care who we pick but let's stop saying _____ is going to suck, be mediocre etc

What hate? About 90% people here want McLemore. Most of the last 10% never said he sucks, we only said we prefer Oladipo over him.

while taking shots at mclemore as a "glorified jj" "glorified 3 point shooter" first of all JJ isn't anywhere near the athlete, and it took JJ YEARS to become a more complete player, and people are already discounting bmac being able to work on his weaknesses. i'm fine with either guy, but oladipo also had 2 more years experience to GROW as a player

[rcklsscognition]

I like the idea of a veteran presence, but not sure how happy Marion would be here. Maybe he puts on a show the first half and then gets moved to a contender? I'd prefer that over a multi-year commitment of similar total dollars to Robinson.

Robinson is only guaranteed next years salary. The following years are team options.

I swear I said this a couple of times already, people just missing that part. That is the reason why it'd be smart to take a chance on him. He's an expiring if he doesn't work out, I don't know what more people want!!

I looked him up but wherever I saw it didn't have the color coding like I was used to, so I didn't notice he had team options, it just show like 4 more years of contracts. If he's less of a risk his price is higher though.

[toquito]

^^^ There's not a single draft prospect that hasn't been crapped on. It's realgm man.

[MagicFan32]

on another note i have a half baked idea on to obtain bledsoe.
so we all know cp3 is upset with the clippers and has wanted to play with dwight howard in the past.
what if the magic used the mavs to get this done?

such as, we have a deal with the mavs, for our dwight howard TPE and are ready to take on marion, and vince carter, for multiple future first round picks but we prefer bledsoe, and we want to do this quickly.

this would help dallas open up two max slots, or get damn close to it, and the clippers could legitimately lose CP3 is this semi realistic at all?

here's another idea.
magic exchange BBD or Afflalo for Bargnani and a future unprotected 1st round pick

[orlando1214]

while taking shots at mclemore as a "glorified jj" "glorified 3 point shooter" first of all JJ isn't anywhere near the athlete, and it took JJ YEARS to become a more complete player, and people are already discounting bmac being able to work on his weaknesses. i'm fine with either guy, but oladipo also had 2 more years experience to GROW as a player

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's fine if people prefer Oladipo over McLemore, but to say all those things about him is ridiculous. I honestly don't know how someone could watch McLemore play and say he's just a "glorified 3 point shooter. Anyways though, I'd be happy with either and I'm just thankful that we have Hennigan making the pick because I have full confidence he'll pick the best fit for the team.

[MagicFan32]

while taking shots at mclemore as a "glorified jj" "glorified 3 point shooter" first of all JJ isn't anywhere near the athlete, and it took JJ YEARS to become a more complete player, and people are already discounting bmac being able to work on his weaknesses. i'm fine with either guy, but oladipo also had 2 more years experience to GROW as a player

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's fine if people prefer Oladipo over McLemore, but to say all those things about him is ridiculous. I honestly don't know how someone could watch McLemore play and say he's just a "glorified 3 point shooter. Anyways though, I'd be happy with either and I'm just thankful that we have Hennigan making the pick because I have full confidence he'll pick the best fit for the team.

same i think either could be good players for us but we're judging a freshmen season vs a guy who had 2 more years to play both could be busts for all we know

[Smooth_E]

on another note i have a half baked idea on to obtain bledsoe.
so we all know cp3 is upset with the clippers and has wanted to play with dwight howard in the past.
what if the magic used the mavs to get this done?

such as, we have a deal with the mavs, for our dwight howard TPE and are ready to take on marion, and vince carter, for multiple future first round picks but we prefer bledsoe, and we want to do this quickly.

this would help dallas open up two max slots, or get damn close to it, and the clippers could legitimately lose CP3 is this semi realistic at all?

here's another idea.
magic exchange BBD or Afflalo for Bargnani and a future unprotected 1st round pick

Is there some kind of discount sale on crystal meth tonight?

[Smooth_E]

^^^ There's not a single draft prospect that hasn't been crapped on. It's realgm man.

There was a farmer who had a dog and BINGO was his name-o.

[Orlando Dawg]

We should target the Thunder and their #12 pick

maybe Arron Afflalo for #12