Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

Optimus_Steel · Post #1301 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:46 pm

Twitter is evil. We get to hear everyone 's 12 year old needy hormone ridden rants that they would usually keep to themselves. Equally worse is Chris Brossard's horrible reporting.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #1302 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:46 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:What a baby, trade his ass.

How in any way, is this Afflalo being a baby? He's fighting to keep his starting spot and ,if nothing else, he's a competitor who has worked just as hard to carve out a niche in this league.

You can say alot of things about Aaron but one thing you cant deny is his fire and competitive spirit.

This fosters competition and hard work within the team which imo helps our young players. I think aaron has been a positive role model for the young guys. Oladipio isnt going to be handed the starting SG slot and he better be ready to challenge AA for it.

pogiro · Post #1303 » by **pogiro** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:48 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:Twitter is evil. We get to hear everyone 's 12 year old needy hormone ridden rants that they would usually keep to themselves. Equally worse is Chris Brossard's horrible reporting.

Yup. If he's motivated, then just do work. Posting about seems to be wanting recognition or support for being motivated. I don't think it's a personality flaw in Afflalo, but it's more the culture we're in now. Everyone wants recognition for doing what they're supposed to do.

Neon1 · Post #1304 » by **Neon1** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:49 pm

pogiro wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:
CourtsideTV wrote:hope tobias isn't just tobsanity and falls off like lin did..

I like Tobias and all, but it's not like he is a great player that we are counting on right now. Hopefully he gets better, but he wasn't really all that great at anything. Hard for me to get too excited about a scorer who shoots 45% as a forward.

You mean like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant did early in their careers?

Good scoring forwards that shoot from all over the court all shoot at 45% or under. 45% is good for players that don't only shoot layups.

49% - LeBron, Larry Bird (for reference)
47% - Durant, Pippen (for reference),
46% - Deng (*he has shot below 42% last few years)
45% - Melo, Pierce, Gay, Iggy
44% - Joe Johnson, Granger, Batum
43% - Paul George, TMac (for reference)
42% - Gallinari

If he was a post player that only shot layups, putbacks and under the rim shots then its an issue. But 45% for a wing perimeter guy is good. Especially one as young as Harris is.

KingRobb02 · Post #1305 » by **KingRobb02** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:55 pm

pogiro wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:
pogiro wrote:
You mean like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant did early in their careers?

Not trying be as negative as that sounds. Just saying that I don't think Tobias will fall off because it's not like he was playing out of his mind last year.

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Eh. Just don't get it. I think he was playing pretty damn well for a 2nd year player, forget that he was a 2nd year player who was buried on the bench for a year and a half coming to a new team surrounded by other young players. When I watch him, I see him doing a lot of great things. While I'm not betting on him becoming a Carmelo Anthony, I sure am hoping for it, and really can't come up with many reasons that he can't.

He played fine considering the facts surrounding the situation. He's part of the reason in glad we didn't throw our money at taking on stop gap free agents like Milsap or Igoudala. I wasn't saying he can't be great, just that last year wasn't so great that he won't be able to replicate it.

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Neon1 · Post #1306 » by **Neon1** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:58 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
CourtsideTV wrote:hope tobias isn't just tobsanity and falls off like lin did..

I like Tobias and all, but it's not like he is a great player that we are counting on right now. Hopefully he gets better, but he wasn't really all that great at anything. Hard for me to get too excited about a scorer who shoots 45% as a forward.

17.3ppg 8.5rpg 2.1apg 1.4bpg 0.9spg on good percentages at only 20 years old, while playing all out on both ends all game long and showing all the traits "intangibles" will get me going everytime.

He is younger then our rookies we drafted this year.

Optimus_Steel · Post #1307 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:04 pm

pogiro wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Twitter is evil. We get to hear everyone 's 12 year old needy hormone ridden rants that they would usually keep to themselves. Equally worse is Chris Brossard's horrible reporting.

Yup. If he's motivated, then just do work. Posting about seems to be wanting recognition or support for being motivated. I don't think it's a personality flaw in Afflalo, but it's more the culture we're in now. Everyone wants recognition for doing what they're supposed to do.

Everyone is obsessed with getting views and comments for their thoughts, at the end of the day those thoughts are mostly insignificant. Just because you think something doesn't mean you need to type it. It's a society thing.

pogiro · Post #1308 » by **pogiro** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:06 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
pogiro wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:Not trying be as negative as that sounds. Just saying that I don't think Tobias will fall off because it's not like he was playing out of his mind last year.

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Eh. Just don't get it. I think he was playing pretty damn well for a 2nd year player, forget that he was a 2nd year player who was buried on the bench for a year and a half coming to a new team surrounded by other young players. When I watch him, I see him doing a lot of great things. While I'm not betting on him becoming a Carmelo Anthony, I sure am hoping for it, and really can't come up with many reasons that he can't.

He played fine considering the facts surrounding the situation. He's part of the reason in glad we didn't throw our money at taking on stop gap free agents like Milsap or Igoudala. I wasn't saying he can't be great, just that last year wasn't so great that he won't be able to replicate it.

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I guess I get you in that he wasn't producing Linsanity NBA MVP type numbers, and I guess you're saying he can replicate his good numbers? But like I pointed out, seems like you think him shooting 45% is some sort of red flag that should temper expectations. But watching how he scores I don't know how you cannot get excited, espescially with the versatility he shows (he can spot up, he can pull up, he can drive, he can put back, he can shoot 3s, he moves well without the ball, he has a nice floater, he showed some decent post up ability). Not to mention he works hard on D, though he could improve, he works hard on the boards, he passes well and has shown a high bball IQ.

You can't get excited from that? Fine. :lol:

PS - You missed one of my points... he didn't play fine CONSIDERING THE SITUATION. He played great on anyone's standards. If a rookie put up his numbers for a whole season, we'd be talking rookie of the year and future All-star type hype.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1309 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:09 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:What a baby, trade his ass.

How in any way, is this Afflalo being a baby? He's fighting to keep his starting spot and ,if nothing else, he's a competitor who has worked just as hard to carve out a niche in this league.

You can say alot of things about Aaron but one thing you cant deny is his fire and competitive spirit.

This fosters competition and hard work within the team which imo helps our young players. I think aaron has been a positive role model for the young guys. Oladipio isnt going to be handed the starting SG slot and he better be ready to challenge AA for it.

Afflalo is supposed to teach Dipo the ropes, not worried about his spot. Basketball is a team sport, how am I gonna expect him to teach Dipo anything if he sees him more as competition than a teammate? And remember this game? http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... inal-score

I'm sticking with "baby"

Post #1310 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:11 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:What a baby, trade his ass.

man, he's not a baby; he's motivated. If your job hired someone new in your same position, what would you do: complain and cry or work hard to show the boss & team that you deserve the top spot?

It makes for better competition amongst the team.

Was he competing when he took 0 shots the game Redick moved in starting line-up? Basketball is a team sport,implying that you feel uncomfortable with a new teammate isn't a warm welcome to me. And not sure that's the veteran I'd like coaching the rook.

I can't believe with how cryptic Afflalo is known to be on twiter we're blowing up a few ambiguous tweets to reflect his character. :nonono:

silent1900 · Post #1311 » by **silent1900** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:13 pm

So after seeing the Drummond thread title, it got me wondering...how do you think these three guys would be ranked by NBA GMs in terms of value (either what they would pay them, or what they would give up for them):

Drummond
Pekovic
Vuc

pogiro · Post #1312 » by **pogiro** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:16 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:What a baby, trade his ass.

How in any way, is this Afflalo being a baby? He's fighting to keep his starting spot and ,if nothing else, he's a competitor who has worked just as hard to carve out a niche in this league.

You can say alot of things about Aaron but one thing you cant deny is his fire and competitive spirit.

This fosters competition and hard work within the team which imo helps our young players. I think aaron has been a positive role model for the young guys. Oladipio isnt going to be handed the starting SG slot and he better be ready to challenge AA for it.

Afflalo is supposed to teach Dipo the ropes, not worried about his spot. Basketball is a team sport, how am I gonna expect him to teach Dipo anything if he sees him more as competition than a teammate? And remember this game? http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... inal-score

I'm sticking with "baby"

If wanting playing time is your definition of "baby", then that'd pretty much include 99.9% of NBA players... or at least NBA players worth anything.

Neon1 · Post #1313 » by **Neon1** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:17 pm

I think they see the value as..

1. Drummomd

2. Vucevic
3. Pekovic

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Nyce_1 · Post #1314 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:20 pm

Neon1 wrote:I think they see the value as..

1. Drummomd

2. Vucevic
3. Pekovic

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I'd think Pek is ahead of Vuc.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1315 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:21 pm

pogiro wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:How in any way, is this Afflalo being a baby? He's fighting to keep his starting spot and ,if nothing else, he's a competitor who has worked just as hard to carve out a niche in this league.

You can say alot of things about Aaron but one thing you cant deny is his fire and competitive spirit.

This fosters competition and hard work within the team which imo helps our young players. I think aaron has been a positive role model for the young guys. Oladipio isnt going to be handed the starting SG slot and he better be ready to challenge AA for it.

Afflalo is supposed to teach Dipo the ropes, not worried about his spot. Basketball is a team sport, how am I gonna expect him to teach Dipo anything if he sees him more as competition than a teammate? And remember this game? http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... inal-score

I'm sticking with "baby"

If wanting playing time is your definition of "baby", then that'd pretty much include 99.9% of NBA players... or at least NBA players worth anything.

Taking 4 shots in 42 mins the game Redick moves in starting line-up is my definition of baby.

pogiro · Post #1316 » by **pogiro** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:23 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
pogiro wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Afflalo is supposed to teach Dipo the ropes, not worried about his spot. Basketball is a team sport, how am I gonna expect him to teach Dipo anything if he sees him more as competition than a teammate? And remember this game? http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... inal-score

I'm sticking with "baby"

If wanting playing time is your definition of "baby", then that'd pretty much include 99.9% of NBA players... or at least NBA players worth anything.

Taking 4 shots in 42 mins the game Redick moves in starting line-up is my definition of baby.

It was one game. J.J. went through a pouting phase too when he couldn't crack the rotation behind Evans and Bogans.

Post #1317 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:25 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
pogiro wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Afflalo is supposed to teach Dipo the ropes, not worried about his spot. Basketball is a team sport, how am I gonna expect him to teach Dipo anything if he sees him more as competition than a teammate? And remember this game? http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... inal-score

I'm sticking with "baby"

If wanting playing time is your definition of "baby", then that'd pretty much include 99.9% of NBA players... or at least NBA players worth anything.

Taking 4 shots in 42 mins the game Redick moves in starting line-up is my definition of baby.

I think you're jumping to a conclusion based on an assumption that you cannot prove.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1318 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:27 pm

pogiro wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
pogiro wrote:
If wanting playing time is your definition of "baby", then that'd pretty much include 99.9% of NBA players... or at least NBA players worth anything.

Taking 4 shots in 42 mins the game Redick moves in starting line-up is my definition of baby.

It was one game. J.J. went through a pouting phase too when he couldn't crack the rotation behind Evans and Bogans.

JJ was young and growing, Afflalo is supposed to show veteran leadership to our young roster

Neon1 · Post #1319 » by **Neon1** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:27 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
Neon1 wrote:I think they see the value as..

1. Drummomd

2. Vucevic
3. Pekovic

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I'd think Pek is ahead of Vuc.

I think he's def the better player right now of all three, I'm just not sure he holds the most value on the open or trade market, due to age (28 in Jan).

pogiro · Post #1320 » by **pogiro** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:28 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
pogiro wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Taking 4 shots in 42 mins the game Redick moves in starting line-up is my definition of baby.

It was one game. J.J. went through a pouting phase too when he couldn't crack the rotation behind Evans and Bogans.

JJ was young and growing, Afflalo is supposed to show veteran leadership to our young roster

I'm not even trying to defend Afflalo. Just saying your expectations of NBA players is unreaslistic because what you are criticizing in Afflalo is pretty much a characteristic of just about everyone in the NBA.