Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[MoMM]

I wonder if this would allow our team to get the medical exemption for more cap space?

that is the 1st thing that popped into my head too.

The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.

Well, at least now it seems that BB-Mozgov deal was good for us instead of a meh-trade.

[Blue_and_Whte]

that is the 1st thing that popped into my head too.

The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.

Well, at least now it seems that BB-Mozgov deal was good for us instead of a meh-trade.

Trading BBum for a bucket of room temp day old fried chicken from a strip mall Chinese restaurant in Pine Hills run by an old Indian couple called “Chinese Food” would’ve been a good deal for us.

[Cosmic_Backlash]

People made similar statements about how Oladipo, Gordon, and Vooch should limit their games. Dipo should stop trying to handle the ball and accept being an off-the-ball player--and then he went on to break out as a playmaking guard. Vooch shouldn't shoot jumpers because he needs to focus on being close to the basket--and then he breaks out the same year he turns into a legit three-point threat. Gordon should accept that he's just a cutter and offensive rebounder on offense--and now he is showing steady development of an all-around offensive game.

None of those guys "sabotaged" himself by growing his game, and Mo's game will not be sabotaged by whether he takes .5 3FGA/game or 1.5 3FGA/game.

There comes a time when you have to stop asking your team to stop practicing the things they suck at in real games. There is a reason we're the laughing stock of the league.

[MagicStarwipe]

Seriously?

Yes.

Where on this list do you place Howard???
Specifically, which of the top-10 Centers below is Howard better than to make a top-10 list?

Yao Ming
Dikembe Mutombo
Artis Gilmore
Bob Lanier
Bill Walton
Walt Bellamy
Alonzo Mourning
Nate Thurmond
Robert Parish
Bob McAdoo
Neil Johnston
Dave Cowens
Wes Unselde
Willis Reed
Patrick Ewing
Moses Malone
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Elvin Hayes
George Mikan
Shaquille O’Neal
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bill Russell

Colored in green is my top-10 Centers. I would have Howard ranked in the Alonzo Mourning / Nate Thurmond range, meaning he is top-20 ever, but not top-10 ever. Still, Howard is a sure Hall of Famer.


..

My top 10

Kareem
Shaq
Hakeem
Russell
Wilt
Moses
Ewing
Robinson
Dwight
Reed

Could bump Reed for Walton.

[darthmerrick]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

[PrimeThyme]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

This sounds like more of a plan to send us to Seattle. We would be an awful 8-10th seed team for the next 3 years. Thats not saving the Magic.

[darthmerrick]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF T.Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

This sounds like more of a plan to send us to Seattle. We would be an awful 8-10th seed team for the next 3 years. Thats not saving the Magic.

You need a star in todays NBA. Beal is available. We cash in Vuc's expiring for some impact players, resign T. Ross and roll the dice with Rozier. Start the Bamba era and Gordon is a capable starter that could turn into an allstar. It's an overhaul and big risk, but you don't win championships with Weham's approach.

[npiper17]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF T.Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

This sounds like more of a plan to send us to Seattle. We would be an awful 8-10th seed team for the next 3 years. Thats not saving the Magic.

You need a star in todays NBA. Beal is available. We cash in Vuc's expiring for some impact players, resign T. Ross and roll the dice with Rozier. Start the Bamba era and Gordon is a capable starter that could turn into an allstar. It's an overhaul and big risk, but you don't win championships with Weham's approach.

You consider Beal to be a star?

[pepe1991]

This sounds like more of a plan to send us to Seattle. We would be an awful 8-10th seed team for the next 3 years. Thats not saving the Magic.

You need a star in todays NBA. Beal is available. We cash in Vuc's expiring for some impact players, resign T. Ross and roll the dice with Rozier. Start the Bamba era and Gordon is a capable starter that could turn into an allstar. It's an overhaul and big risk, but you don't win championships with Weham's approach.

You consider Beal to be a star?

24 ppg
4,9 apg
4,8 rpg

yea, he pretty much is

[MoMM]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Isaac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

Personally I don't think we can make the playoffs with Bamba at 5, so I'd prefer to just do the Step 1 and have this roster:
PG Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Simmons, Ross (6h man, we need his offense there), Frazier
PF Gordon,
C Vuc, Bamba, Birch

Also, not sure if we aren't overpaying for Beal...

[rcklsscognition]

Our defense is fine but we're not scoring enough to make the playoffs. We need to get over defense and focus solely on bringing in offensive weaponry. Ross is great and all, but 13ppg just isn't going to cut it on this team. We need more. 3 starters last night had 10 or less points. For what reason? What is the purpose of playing these guys if they cannot score? They're not doing enough on defense to make it worth having them on the floor so long if they cannot put up 15+ a game.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Our defense is fine but we're not scoring enough to make the playoffs. We need to get over defense and focus solely on bringing in offensive weaponry. Ross is great and all, but 13ppg just isn't going to cut it on this team. We need more. 3 starters last night had 10 or less points. For what reason? What is the purpose of playing these guys if they cannot score? They're not doing enough on defense to make it worth having them on the floor so long if they cannot put up 15+ a game.

We've been saying this for how long? Gone are the days of teams barely scoring 100 points except the bottom dwelling 3-5 teams. That is why people myself included get sick and tired when we draft the same players in round 2 and not even try to address a need. Great we have TRoss whose nickname is Coin Toss Ross because you never know how he's going to play.

Its all about the 3 ball, dunks, layups and TEAM Defense but our FO continues to think its about long, lengthy, athletic, but can't shoot prospects.

It's time for the mini/medium blowup. They got the sit and evaluate excuse year out the way, now they really need to show worth because another year of standing pat and I'll be done with this FO and Season Tickets.

[VFX]

Our defense is fine but we're not scoring enough to make the playoffs. We need to get over defense and focus solely on bringing in offensive weaponry. Ross is great and all, but 13ppg just isn't going to cut it on this team. We need more. 3 starters last night had 10 or less points. For what reason? What is the purpose of playing these guys if they cannot score? They're not doing enough on defense to make it worth having them on the floor so long if they cannot put up 15+ a game.

We've been saying this for how long? Gone are the days of teams barely scoring 100 points except the bottom dwelling 3-5 teams. That is why people myself included get sick and tired when we draft the same players in round 2 and not even try to address a need. Great we have TRoss whose nickname is Coin Toss Ross because you never know how he's going to play.

Its all about the 3 ball, dunks, layups and TEAM Defense but our FO continues to think its about long, lengthy, athletic, but can't shoot prospects.

It's time for the mini/medium blowup. They got the sit and evaluate excuse year out the way, now they really need to show worth because another year of standing pat and I'll be done with this FO and Season Tickets.

That’s the biggest problem with this roster. Outside of Vucevic, nobody creates reliable offense. Someone has to step up and almost have a career high game to beat a fully healthy competitive team. Too many guys can have an off night and there is nobody left to rely upon.

That’s why I find it amazing that this FO has done nothing to acquire offense and people were totally fine with the draft results over the past two years, continuously failing to address the issue. They are going to have to blow up the team at this point if they ever want a competitive roster.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

Sorry to break it to you, but that team doesn’t make the playoffs bud.

And at this point does Rozier really start over Augustine? Not totally sure.

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

[j-ragg]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

The problem is lack of availability. Beal is the only all-star that's on the trading block. Not every star that's traded is known to be on the block, but who would you semi-realistically have in mind?

[pepe1991]

Last night Bulls - Pacers game was sad to watch
Dipo , Lavine and Markkanen went at it.
Magic had one and could have other two if they knew what they were doing.

Watch on YouTube

and ofc, great as usual, Sabonis being Sabonis, 20-7 off bench

[Skybox]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

The problem is lack of availability. Beal is the only all-star that's on the trading block. Not every star that's traded is known to be on the block, but who would you semi-realistically have in mind?

Exactly...STAR is THE need. Someone who can score reliably and can spread the floor for the others to have it easier. Doesn't have to be a PG, just a guy who commands the offense, IMO...I don't have stats but I remember the debate regarding whether Wall was needed whenever he's out because Beal takes over. I like the "lead guard" concept based off of Harden, Jamal Murray, Curry (among others) success...more hybrid than pure point, score first, assists as a byproduct of that (not necessarily Rubio court vision)...I could see Beal or even McCollum being that. I'm not saying they are MJ, but look at who his alleged point guards were...spot up shooters who could handle when he didn't want to... John Paxson, Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong. I think the true PG is kind of like the post-up PF...dying breed.

[The Effect]

Sorry to break it to you, but that team doesn’t make the playoffs bud.

I agree

And at this point does Rozier really start over Augustine? Not totally sure.

Not sure if youre being serious, but yes he absolutely does

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

Not sure i agree, if you can get a star, you get him, regardless of position, with that said, i dont consider Beal to be a franchise changing star. Hes a star to me in the way that steve francis was a star for us. Sure he put up the numbers, but did anyone feel like he was the guy that could lead a team to a championship?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Okay. I have a plan to fix the magic.

Step 1 -Wizards now are fielding offers for Bradley Beal. Give them Fournier, Issac and 2 first round picks (2019 first round, okc pick)
Step 2-Vuc to Boston for Terry Rozier, Morris and Yabusele

PG Rozier, Augustin, Grant
SG Beal, Iwundu
SF Ross, Simmons, Frazier
PF Gordon, Morris, Yabusele
C Bamba, Birch

Team makes the playoffs. We then build around Rozier, Beal, Gordon and Bamba in the offseason.

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

The problem is lack of availability. Beal is the only all-star that's on the trading block. Not every star that's traded is known to be on the block, but who would you semi-realistically have in mind?

You mean Beal is the only publically known all-star on the trading block, we have no clue who’s really being offered and as history shows there’s always players dealt where no one had any idea they would be available.

A lot could happen from now and summer.

A few examples of semirealistic scenerios that could happen.

1) Portland gets swept in the first round, Dame becomes available or demands trade.

2) Philly underperforms in playoffs and Simmons is the odd man out and becomes available.

3) Anthony Davis gets traded and NOP looks to deal Holiday

All very possible outcomes which will better benefit Orlando for a consolidation trade.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Sorry to break it to you, but that team doesn’t make the playoffs bud.

I agree

And at this point does Rozier really start over Augustine? Not totally sure.

Not sure if youre being serious, but yes he absolutely does

Also if we’re consolidating for a “star” I rather address a position of true need.

Not sure i agree, if you can get a star, you get him, regardless of position, with that said, i dont consider Beal to be a franchise changing star. Hes a star to me in the way that steve francis was a star for us. Sure he put up the numbers, but did anyone feel like he was the guy that could lead a team to a championship?

Absolutely does? Really? What makes you so sure (honest question)? Stats definitely don’t paint that picture or help your case.

Does Rozier eventually start because he’s younger and we look to deal Augustine yea maybe, but he’s not the better player currently and has looked lost and a big reason of Boston’s woes (follow them quite closely).

Don’t believe me? Cool. Just head over to the Boston board and you’ll see for yourself first hand how bad Rozier has been.