Around the NBA, 2020/21 Edition

[Knightro]

Orland did not need a 3rd string SG last year.

Is Horton-Tucker better than Bacon? I cannot see why anyone is "laughing".

I'm not saying this is your opinion, but I absolutely despise this line of thinking.

No NBA team should ever make a draft decision based on how much it's going to help them the upcoming season.

Horton-Tucker might end up being nothing, but the fact that he wasn't going to help the Magic last year is absolutely positively not a justifiable reason to not draft him and try and develop him.

He didn't play a lick for the Lakers, who won the championship anyway, and now he appears to have developed his game playing in the G-League and might end up being an actual contributor for them at 2nd round price.

[basketballRob]

The NBA world is laughing at us again:

The Lakers paid $2.2 million to Orlando last night for the No. 46 pick they used on Talen Horton-Tucker, league sources tell ESPN. The Lakers’ $5.6 million cash considerations budget will be reset on July 1 for 2019-20.

Tucker shot 30% from 3 last year. pre-season game. lets slow the roll just a little on this guy

He was 19.

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[tiderulz]

The NBA world is laughing at us again:

The Lakers paid $2.2 million to Orlando last night for the No. 46 pick they used on Talen Horton-Tucker, league sources tell ESPN. The Lakers’ $5.6 million cash considerations budget will be reset on July 1 for 2019-20.

Tucker shot 30% from 3 last year. pre-season game. lets slow the roll just a little on this guy

He was 19.

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ok. just saying, lets hold off on calling him a future superstar.

[tiderulz]

Orland did not need a 3rd string SG last year.

Is Horton-Tucker better than Bacon? I cannot see why anyone is "laughing".

I'm not saying this is your opinion, but I absolutely despise this line of thinking.

No NBA team should ever make a draft decision based on how much it's going to help them the upcoming season.

Horton-Tucker might end up being nothing, but the fact that he wasn't going to help the Magic last year is absolutely positively not a justifiable reason to not draft him and try and develop him.

He didn't play a lick for the Lakers, who won the championship anyway, and now he appears to have developed his game playing in the G-League and might end up being an actual contributor for them at 2nd round price.

yep. the front office has shown they dont value 2nd round picks, and using those to develop people in the G League

[JBSouthpaw]

Orland did not need a 3rd string SG last year.

Is Horton-Tucker better than Bacon? I cannot see why anyone is "laughing".

I'm not saying this is your opinion, but I absolutely despise this line of thinking.

No NBA team should ever make a draft decision based on how much it's going to help them the upcoming season.

Horton-Tucker might end up being nothing, but the fact that he wasn't going to help the Magic last year is absolutely positively not a justifiable reason to not draft him and try and develop him.

He didn't play a lick for the Lakers, who won the championship anyway, and now he appears to have developed his game playing in the G-League and might end up being an actual contributor for them at 2nd round price.

yep. the front office has shown they dont value 2nd round picks, and using those to develop people in the G League

The problem the last few years with this team, is we've been trying to figure out if our 1st rounders deserve playing time, mixing in 2nd rounders would muddle that. The Lakers have the starters nailed down, so they CAN give time to a 2nd rounder during pre-season.
He might become a serviceable player, but we gave Wes 3 years to become that, and he did to a point.

[tiderulz]

I'm not saying this is your opinion, but I absolutely despise this line of thinking.

No NBA team should ever make a draft decision based on how much it's going to help them the upcoming season.

Horton-Tucker might end up being nothing, but the fact that he wasn't going to help the Magic last year is absolutely positively not a justifiable reason to not draft him and try and develop him.

He didn't play a lick for the Lakers, who won the championship anyway, and now he appears to have developed his game playing in the G-League and might end up being an actual contributor for them at 2nd round price.

yep. the front office has shown they dont value 2nd round picks, and using those to develop people in the G League

The problem the last few years with this team, is we've been trying to figure out if our 1st rounders deserve playing time, mixing in 2nd rounders would muddle that. The Lakers have the starters nailed down, so they CAN give time to a 2nd rounder during pre-season.
He might become a serviceable player, but we gave Wes 3 years to become that, and he did to a point.

so pick them and send them to the Gleague team to see if they deserve a chance to come up and challenge for a roster spot. not like we have a stellar track record with our 1st round picks anyways

[JBSouthpaw]

yep. the front office has shown they dont value 2nd round picks, and using those to develop people in the G League

The problem the last few years with this team, is we've been trying to figure out if our 1st rounders deserve playing time, mixing in 2nd rounders would muddle that. The Lakers have the starters nailed down, so they CAN give time to a 2nd rounder during pre-season.
He might become a serviceable player, but we gave Wes 3 years to become that, and he did to a point.

so pick them and send them to the Gleague team to see if they deserve a chance to come up and challenge for a roster spot. not like we have a stellar track record with our 1st round picks anyways

I'd assume we made the pick for LA, then traded. Giving our guys credit for the selection is generous. I agree that this FO has cared less about 2nd round picks than any I can remember.

[drsd]

Maybe because he put up more points in one game than both our rookies combined in two?

So a second year player is more in tune with the NBA than two rookie that had three weeks preparation.

Back to Bacon: he is averaging a nice 11 ppg in his pre-season.

[drsd]

Orland did not need a 3rd string SG last year.

Is Horton-Tucker better than Bacon? I cannot see why anyone is "laughing".

I'm not saying this is your opinion, but I absolutely despise this line of thinking.

No NBA team should ever make a draft decision based on how much it's going to help them the upcoming season.

Horton-Tucker might end up being nothing, but the fact that he wasn't going to help the Magic last year is absolutely positively not a justifiable reason to not draft him and try and develop him.

He didn't play a lick for the Lakers, who won the championship anyway, and now he appears to have developed his game playing in the G-League and might end up being an actual contributor for them at 2nd round price.

This is not about Horton-Tucker per se, it is about the Magic selling a draft selection that was #46. At that draft range a team is expected to draft for deep-bench depth. In that the Magic was right up against the salary cap line and Orlando did not need a 2nd-rounder last year. In total, 11 players* wore Magic blue that had two or less years experience. Having a 12th player was not realistic.

So the pick was sold.


* = Vic Law, Josh Magette, B.J. Johnson, Amile Jefferson, Melvin Frazier, Gary Clark, Mohamed Bamba, Wesley Iwundu, Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, and Khem Birch.

[Ducklett]

Yall seem upset about me reposting something off the GB. I would recommending skipping by the GB, NBA twitter, and other places if you wanna miss the hot takes about THT and how the Magic pooped the bed selling a 2nd rounder for cash.

[Knightro]

This is not about Horton-Tucker per se, it is about the Magic selling a draft selection that was #46. At that draft range a team is expected to draft for deep-bench depth. In that the Magic was right up against the salary cap line and Orlando did not need a 2nd-rounder last year. In total, 11 players* wore Magic blue that had two or less years experience. Having a 12th player was not realistic.

So the pick was sold.

* = Vic Law, Josh Magette, B.J. Johnson, Amile Jefferson, Melvin Frazier, Gary Clark, Mohamed Bamba, Wesley Iwundu, Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, and Khem Birch.

This is still not justification.

You say they didn't *need* another young player because of the ones they already had, but knock me over with a feather because 6 of the guys you listed are already off the team just one offseason later and a seventh won't play a minute this season because he's out injured.

This whole concept of having "too many" inexperienced players is just completely ridiculous. It may be more than Clifford can handle, but the Magic have 7 players on guaranteed contracts over 28 years old.

And to your point about the Magic being "up against the cap line", obviously 2nd round picks do not have guaranteed deals. A team can choose to not sign them. A team can also chose to sign them to a two-way deal or a non-guaranteed minimum contract.

This organization is one of the worst in the NBA in terms of player development.

[J the Drafter]

The Magic have made several moves aimed at saving money. It’s pretty obvious that they value money more than they do second rounders right now. Why, and if their judgment is accurate, I couldn’t say. I will say that multiple small moves of any type add up, even if they mean little on their own.

[pepe1991]

The Magic have made several moves aimed at saving money. It’s pretty obvious that they value money more than they do second rounders right now. Why, and if their judgment is accurate, I couldn’t say. I will say that multiple small moves of any type add up, even if they mean little on their own.

I assume they are one of teams that are bleeding money. That's, imo, main reason why they refuse to sell Vuc, Evan, Gordon and Ross.

rian Windhorst and Tim Bontemps of ESPN:

“The truth is, things are changing so fast that, when it comes to next season, the best we can do is put a stake in the ground and make a guess,” an Eastern Conference team president said. “The reality is nobody is probably going to operate in the black next season.

“The only question is how much each of us are going to lose.”

Cuban said that he'll lose more than $100 M with Dallas in upcomming season. Said it last week...

[pepe1991]

Man Dončić got fat.

[basketballRob]

The Magic have made several moves aimed at saving money. It’s pretty obvious that they value money more than they do second rounders right now. Why, and if their judgment is accurate, I couldn’t say. I will say that multiple small moves of any type add up, even if they mean little on their own.

I assume they are one of teams that are bleeding money. That's, imo, main reason why they refuse to sell Vuc, Evan, Gordon and Ross.

rian Windhorst and Tim Bontemps of ESPN:

“The truth is, things are changing so fast that, when it comes to next season, the best we can do is put a stake in the ground and make a guess,” an Eastern Conference team president said. “The reality is nobody is probably going to operate in the black next season.

“The only question is how much each of us are going to lose.”

Cuban said that he'll lose more than $100 M with Dallas in upcomming season. Said it last week...

The Devos family bought the team for 85 million and the value is 1.43 billion now.





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[pepe1991]

The Magic have made several moves aimed at saving money. It’s pretty obvious that they value money more than they do second rounders right now. Why, and if their judgment is accurate, I couldn’t say. I will say that multiple small moves of any type add up, even if they mean little on their own.

I assume they are one of teams that are bleeding money. That's, imo, main reason why they refuse to sell Vuc, Evan, Gordon and Ross.

rian Windhorst and Tim Bontemps of ESPN:

“The truth is, things are changing so fast that, when it comes to next season, the best we can do is put a stake in the ground and make a guess,” an Eastern Conference team president said. “The reality is nobody is probably going to operate in the black next season.

“The only question is how much each of us are going to lose.”

Cuban said that he'll lose more than $100 M with Dallas in upcomming season. Said it last week...

The Devos family bought the team for 85 million and the value is 1.43 billion now.





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Umm,, inflation?

What cost $85000000 in 1991 would cost $161563014.62 in 2019.
Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2019 and 1991,
they would cost you $85000000 and $43818138.77 respectively.

So team, by economy, was worth more before they bought it.

ALSO, company's worth ( estimated value) and current earnings ( profit or losing money) are two completley separated things.
You can have company that is going bunkropt and still worth millions due infractruction, machinery, property it owns.

There is good reason why NBA had to inject $30M per team,hint, it wasn't made for Knicks, Lakers or Nets.

[drsd]

This whole concept of having "too many" inexperienced players is just completely ridiculous.

This is more about Orlando could not afford this player.

It is an issue to such an extreme that CJ Watson got stretched three year prior simply to gain 333k per year in cap levels. (It is another conversation about how Management let salary lines get this bloated to beginning with, but I digress ....)


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[drsd]

The problem the last few years with this team, is we've been trying to figure out if our 1st rounders deserve playing time, mixing in 2nd rounders would muddle that. The Lakers have the starters nailed down, so they CAN give time to a 2nd rounder during pre-season.
He might become a serviceable player, but we gave Wes 3 years to become that, and he did to a point.

This is a critical point.

We all want Fultz, Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and Anthony to develop. Adding a future bench player to develop, when said players are abound as LLE vets, makes no sense.

Until the G-league becomes a stable for 2nd round-player development (where there salary has no NBA-league effect on the cap), Orlando is unlikely to value 2nd-round picks at all.

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[JBSouthpaw]

This is not about Horton-Tucker per se, it is about the Magic selling a draft selection that was #46. At that draft range a team is expected to draft for deep-bench depth. In that the Magic was right up against the salary cap line and Orlando did not need a 2nd-rounder last year. In total, 11 players* wore Magic blue that had two or less years experience. Having a 12th player was not realistic.

So the pick was sold.

* = Vic Law, Josh Magette, B.J. Johnson, Amile Jefferson, Melvin Frazier, Gary Clark, Mohamed Bamba, Wesley Iwundu, Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, and Khem Birch.

This is still not justification.

You say they didn't *need* another young player because of the ones they already had, but knock me over with a feather because 6 of the guys you listed are already off the team just one offseason later and a seventh won't play a minute this season because he's out injured.

This whole concept of having "too many" inexperienced players is just completely ridiculous. It may be more than Clifford can handle, but the Magic have 7 players on guaranteed contracts over 28 years old.

And to your point about the Magic being "up against the cap line", obviously 2nd round picks do not have guaranteed deals. A team can choose to not sign them. A team can also chose to sign them to a two-way deal or a non-guaranteed minimum contract.

This organization is one of the worst in the NBA in terms of player development.

I would say, look at Boston, they've had some young talent sitting on the end of their bench they just can't get in games.
Carsen Edwards tore up pre-season last year I believe...no PT during season. Langford?? none. Both William's and Semi deserve some run, but they are behind Tatum and Brown. They have to work Nesmith in now too.
Most of those players will leave without making a serious impact on the team.

[Xatticus]

I assume they are one of teams that are bleeding money. That's, imo, main reason why they refuse to sell Vuc, Evan, Gordon and Ross.



Cuban said that he'll lose more than $100 M with Dallas in upcomming season. Said it last week...

The Devos family bought the team for 85 million and the value is 1.43 billion now.





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Umm,, inflation?

What cost $85000000 in 1991 would cost $161563014.62 in 2019.
Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2019 and 1991,
they would cost you $85000000 and $43818138.77 respectively.

So team, by economy, was worth more before they bought it.

ALSO, company's worth ( estimated value) and current earnings ( profit or losing money) are two completley separated things.
You can have company that is going bunkropt and still worth millions due infractruction, machinery, property it owns.

There is good reason why NBA had to inject $30M per team,hint, it wasn't made for Knicks, Lakers or Nets.

I’m not sure how you are reaching this conclusion. Assuming the veracity of the figures provided, 1.4 billion is a much bigger number than 161 million. NBA franchises are an investment that pays off 100% of the time and profit in any given year shouldn’t be an entitlement.