Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[NotACat]

A REAL FO would trade Vooch, AG, T Ross, or one of JI or 'Kelle, #15 for a future pick with great gambling chances at being top 1-7. None of this trading up in 2020 where literally no analysts see any superstar potential. One good example already is GS' 2021 1st from MIN (top 3 prot. in 2021, unprot. in 2022). The balls would be massive on that, so much respect. Reminds of when many of us wanted a cap space window for CP3 with Dwight, instead of hopes and dreams on a rainbow for a trade. Don't rely on anyone but yourself.

There is no one in the top 7 that is worth that.

A real front office would believe in their player development process and not send out players too early in their development cycle.

[zaymon]

We dont know how good Okeke is, ....

We also do not know how good are: Dylan Windler, Marcos Louzada Silva, Deividas Sirvydis, Jaylen Hands, nor Vanja Marinković.

All of these are also prospect selections in the same draft class as Okeke that have also not logged a single NBA second.

Frankly; that Vic Law has an NBA basket makes him more of a real prospect over Okeke in my mind.


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Okeke was not born just before the draft. We have a lot film on him. There is a reason he was selected 15, and there was a reason many analists said we had a steal on our hands.
Load Okeke film on youtube. Load Avdija, Okoro, Haliburton, Vassell, Nesmith and tell me who you like more.

[NotACat]

We dont know how good Okeke is, ....

We also do not know how good are: Dylan Windler, Marcos Louzada Silva, Deividas Sirvydis, Jaylen Hands, nor Vanja Marinković.

All of these are also prospect selections in the same draft class as Okeke that have also not logged a single NBA second.

Frankly; that Vic Law has an NBA basket makes him more of a real prospect over Okeke in my mind.


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Okeke was not born just before the draft. We have a lot film on him. There is a reason he was selected 15, and there was a reason many analists said we had a steal on our hands.
Load Okeke film on youtube. Load Avdija, Okoro, Haliburton, Vassell, Nesmith and tell me who you like more.

Okeke would easily be a top 10 pick this year - closer to 5 than 10

[Driguez]

Tbh this team has to be blown over, anyone and everyone should be on the block. JI's injury set our timeline back.

[Ducklett]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

[cedric76]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

Nooooo way

[zaymon]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

No.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

I’d do a Isaac + 15 for Culver & 1 likely. At 1 I would grab Isaac replacement in Toppin. Go get a G in FA using the 9.3MLE. Draft a PG in 2nd round and let em play spot minutes in needed or G League.

Fultz
Evan
Obi
AG
Vuc

TRoss Culver Aminu Bamba & FA & Iwundu is the 11 man rotation.

[zaymon]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

I’d do a Isaac + 15 for Culver & 1 likely. At 1 I would grab Isaac replacement in Toppin. Go get a G in FA using the 9.3MLE. Draft a PG in 2nd round and let em play spot minutes in needed or G League.

Fultz
Evan
Obi
AG
Vuc

TRoss Culver Aminu Bamba & FA & Iwundu is the 11 man rotation.

Isaac replacement in Toppin ? Isaac can guard anyone while Toppin can guard noone. Would rather wait 2 years for Isaac than watch Toppin defend.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

I’d do a Isaac + 15 for Culver & 1 likely. At 1 I would grab Isaac replacement in Toppin. Go get a G in FA using the 9.3MLE. Draft a PG in 2nd round and let em play spot minutes in needed or G League.

Fultz
Evan
Obi
AG
Vuc

TRoss Culver Aminu Bamba & FA & Iwundu is the 11 man rotation.

Isaac replacement in Toppin ? Isaac can guard anyone while Toppin can guard noone. Would rather wait 2 years for Isaac than watch Toppin defend.

Toppin is 10x the offensive player Isaac will ever become. Cliff molded Vuc into a decent defender he can work with Toppin. Also have AG and hopefully a fully healthy Bamba back. The series vs the Bucks shows us we need tons more offensive help and Cliff can scheme the defense to limit things.

[MoMM]

As much I like Isaac, I would trade him for the #1 pick, we are talking about a #1 pick for a guy that can't stay healthy. Although he is very good, we would have the chance to get the best prospect on a rookie-deal instead of having to extend Isaac or not.

Even if we don't love anyone at #1, we could trade down for another Top5 pick and some fillers. There are a lot of options like drafting a guard/wing, or Wiseman and trading Vuc/Bamba for a guard/wing, etc.

[dsg2021]

A REAL FO would trade Vooch, AG, T Ross, or one of JI or 'Kelle, #15 for a future pick with great gambling chances at being top 1-7. None of this trading up in 2020 where literally no analysts see any superstar potential. One good example already is GS' 2021 1st from MIN (top 3 prot. in 2021, unprot. in 2022). The balls would be massive on that, so much respect. Reminds of when many of us wanted a cap space window for CP3 with Dwight, instead of hopes and dreams on a rainbow for a trade. Don't rely on anyone but yourself.

There is no one in the top 7 that is worth that.

A real front office would believe in their player development process and not send out players too early in their development cycle.

I didn't mean to make it as literal as next year. It could be reading a strong draft in 2, 3, or 4 years. Players like LeBron and Luka were fairly obvious draft strengths 2, 3 years out before they joined the NBA. I believe Hennigan FO even had Porzingis on the BPA radar 3 years before his draft.

Player development happens a lot easier when you draft a superstar type player. Someone who shows the "it" factor.

[NotACat]

A REAL FO would trade Vooch, AG, T Ross, or one of JI or 'Kelle, #15 for a future pick with great gambling chances at being top 1-7. None of this trading up in 2020 where literally no analysts see any superstar potential. One good example already is GS' 2021 1st from MIN (top 3 prot. in 2021, unprot. in 2022). The balls would be massive on that, so much respect. Reminds of when many of us wanted a cap space window for CP3 with Dwight, instead of hopes and dreams on a rainbow for a trade. Don't rely on anyone but yourself.

There is no one in the top 7 that is worth that.

A real front office would believe in their player development process and not send out players too early in their development cycle.

I didn't mean to make it as literal as next year. It could be reading a strong draft in 2, 3, or 4 years. Players like LeBron and Luka were fairly obvious draft strengths 2, 3 years out before they joined the NBA. I believe Hennigan FO even had Porzingis on the BPA radar 3 years before his draft.

Player development happens a lot easier when you draft a superstar type player. Someone who shows the "it" factor.

This isn't as easy as you're making it out to seem.

[MasterGMer]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

Why would Timberwolves even want Isaac? JI can't stay healthy is a huge concern

[The Effect]

OR: Orlando could trade up to the 8-10 range to get Devin Vassell. As this team is currently built, a 3 and D SG makes a great deal of sense.
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This is literally the worst decision we could make
The LAST thing this team needs is another 3D player with no ability to create their own shot. That's all this team has. Not one guy on the roster besides maybe fultz can create any offense for themselves or anyone else

[j-ragg]

I’d be cool with Vassell if he fell to 15 but I would be very opposed to trading up for him as well. Not my favorite pick but having a guy that can actually do both 3 and D would be a nice change.

[The Effect]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

in a second

Isaac is not built for the nba, his body cant take it

Add on top of that that he wont play for another year (minimum) and when he does, he will have been inactive for over a year, which he needed for his offensive development....oh and lets not forget, he wont play again before his contract is up, so at this point, you have to decide if youre going to give a max deal to a player who has missed 60% of his games over 4 years and is a work in progress at that....

if youre telling me some team is willing to take that risk off our hands and give us the #1 pick in the draft for it, sign me up right now!

Ill be honest, at this point, i dont consider Isaac a part of the future of this team because of all that. I mean there just no way to build a team around a guy you cant count on to be healthy. Sorry these arent fluke injuries.

[Skybox]

If the Timberwolves called up offering #1 for JI, would you do it?

in a second

Isaac is not build for the nba, his body cant take it

Add on top of that that he wont play for another year (minimum) and when he does, he will have been inactive for over a year, which he needed for his offensive development....oh and lets not forget, he wont play again before his contract is up, so at this point, you have to decide if youre going to give a max deal to a player who has missed 60% of his games over 4 years and is a work in progress at that....

if youre telling me some team is willing to take that risk off our hands and give us the #1 pick in the draft for it, sign me up right now!

Ill be honest, at this point, i dont consider Isaac a part of the future of this team because of all that. I mean there just no way to build a team around a guy you cant count on to be healthy. Sorry these arent fluke injuries.

Who said Isaac is getting a max deal? Or anything near a max deal? The injury history may lead to ORL securing him to a fair deal that turns into a great team deal if he stays healthy...all around the same time Okeke, Fultz, and/or Bamba start to mature (if they are going to). Also, IMO, gives us a couple years to move a couple of vets for a smooth transition to our younger squad. One possible path

[jonbob17]

I think the Magic would be fine keeping Vuc if they don't get back good value. He will be a good on the rest of his contract, and if
Fultz/Frazier/Okeke/Clark/Vucevic. That seems like a starting 5 that should get it done.

[The Effect]

. He will be a good on the rest of his contract, and if
Fultz/Frazier/Okeke/Clark/Vucevic. That seems like a starting 5 that should get it done.

Get what done? A top 5 pick?