The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[Skybox]

BIg question is...what's his extension amount?

He's been great on the defensive end and his shooting has leapt ahead this year. But Pepe has a real point when you keep his offense in perspective...he's scoring 12ppg and is very clearly the third best player on the roster (perhaps discounting Isaac due to his fragility). He's a solid complementary piece - but he could quickly become an albatross if he eats a chunk of the cap and levels off as a strong defender and a reliable 3pt shooter (he's not high volume and his pct is no longer pushing 40%). I'd like to see him get his 3pta's up to 6 or 7+ and maintain or improve his pct...that would put him in the conversation with the best 3&D guys like Anunoby. Suggs' offensive improvement each year is truly amazing - I wonder where it levels off...guys don't just make those jumps every year.

Before you jump in to defend his honor, I really like him as a part of a serious playoff team...but he's not enough to be a big part of the offense. IMO, he can be emotional defensive intangible guy who makes big shots under the bright lights, but I'm not a believer in "2 guys and the rest by committee" offense as a realistic playoff threat.

It looked like Cole might be the reliable 16 or 17 ppg 3rd offensive engine but...

we still need that guy. Maybe it's Suggs but I'd still look outside this summer and hope Suggs elevates too. THAT would be a formidable team. I hope we extend Suggs quickly and reasonably - but these things sometimes go sideways when the players' "people" create an unrealistic vision of value/respect/intangibles, etc and it can get uncomfortable.

[SOUL]

Feels like you're stretching things a bit for the sake of making an argument, but... I'll bite.

It would take a lot for Suggs' contract to be an "albatross" - the FO has done a lot of things that people question, but retaining players for solid contracts hasn't really been an issue, at least the last few seasons since Fultz/Isaac, and Isaac's would be fine without injuries. We've overpaid old vets that were weird contracts, but only basically to reach the cap floor and the contracts are always team options or something like that where it's just people complaining "too rich for my tastes" with no real affect otherwise.

Let's talk about stats. First off, 39% is pushing 40%, especially if you're also saying he's not high volume as well, which means it can easily be 40% if he hits a certain amount of threes in the next game or two.

Secondly, his "low volume" is highest on the team and highest in the last two years, since Cole of 2021-2022. on way better percentages. I agree I wouldn't mind that going up even more.

I agree that we can't always expect some huge jump from him, but him being a legit 3&D threat already at 22 is pretty invaluable and not just a "pretty good defender with a shot" or whatever people minimize it as sometimes. He's our POA head of the snake on defense and does all the little things out there nobody else is doing. Oh, and he is our best three point shooter as a consistent starter.

If I had one concern, it's him having small (or big) injuries where he's missing time because of how balls to the wall he plays. Caruso has the same issue.

I don't think Suggs is clouding our FO's mind to not acquire another scorer or shooter though - although I don't think we even need another "star".. even a Monk-like player will do. They seem pretty aware of how much energy Suggs expends on that end, and he doesn't seem like the type that is demanding to be in some huge scoring role either.

IMO, a contract like Franz could be more albatrossy if he kind of maxes out as a 19-20 point guy with an uneven three point shot and never develops a mid-game. I think he'll get quite a bit more than Suggs too.

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This may, or may not be case with Suggs, and i already said i don't have cristal ball to know future, but right now he is one of the worst shootes at guard positions in nba. And on top of that ,he isn't even very good playmaker. That's objective reality.
much like it was case with Fultz & his shooting and Payton and everything about him, i struggle to see that scenario as objective one.
You don't go mediocre highschool shooter, mediocre college shooter, dreadful nba rookie shooter into Dame Lillard. it doesn't work like that.

How would you like your crow prepared? BBQ or Sautéed?

You really wanna do victory laps based on one season and "breakout " of 12 poits and 2,5 assists for 5th overall pick in contract year ?

Suggs was drafted to be a PG.
instad he is spot up 3 point shooting SG who only takes open & wide open 3s. Yes, his 3 point percentage improved. But it only went up when we stopped playing him at PG all together.

And to me, it's fine . But it still does not change my opinion that nba guards, in order to have serious offense, need to do more than from time to time hit wide open 3s. Especially in playoffs.

He is one of players i will keep close eye on, once we make playoffs. IF he can hit high percentage of 3s against better pressure, not turn the ball over and maintain level of defense, and showcase himself as more than just 3& D role player, i'll happily eat crows.

But whole bunch of young players do have one "pop" season and revert back in next year(s). From his class alone it happend to Murphey III last year, now Kuminga is breaking out, Kispert last year shot lights out, not so much this year, Cade right now is breaking out, Segun is favorite to win MIP etc.

We will have better outlook on what all of them are in playoffs or at the end of next year, where their rookie deals are out.

Once again, i have no issue about being wrong. But 1 out of 3 years does not mean 2 years didn't happen.

I love how you double down on dying on the hills you make for yourself.

Keep pushing those goalposts.

YOU expected him to be a point guard. He’s an athletic guard that can make plays in the back court and guard multiple spots.

YOU then say that he’s never going to be a good shooter. Here we are in year 3 and he’s a good shooter.

Arguably Orlando’s third best player isn’t atrocious for a top 5 pick in the same year we landed our #2 option. Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious.

[OrlChamps2030]

Suggs 3pt improvement has been remarkable.. maybe the individual highlight of the season for me. I’m not sure if he’s a legit 3rd option but he has cemented himself as a solid starter in my eyes. Id love to see him next to a offensive minded backcourt partner - could be a special pairing.

Next steps for Suggs:
- Play more minutes
- Sign a team-friendly deal

[jezzerinho]

Suggs 3pt improvement has been remarkable.. maybe the individual highlight of the season for me. I’m not sure if he’s a legit 3rd option but he has cemented himself as a solid starter in my eyes. Id love to see him next to a offensive minded backcourt partner - could be a special pairing.

Next steps for Suggs:
- Play more minutes
- Sign a team-friendly deal

His 3pt% had already taken a dramatic uptick post ASB last year. For half his pro career more or less he's been a good C&S shooter.

[fendilim]

BIg question is...what's his extension amount?

He's been great on the defensive end and his shooting has leapt ahead this year. But Pepe has a real point when you keep his offense in perspective...he's scoring 12ppg and is very clearly the third best player on the roster (perhaps discounting Isaac due to his fragility). He's a solid complementary piece - but he could quickly become an albatross if he eats a chunk of the cap and levels off as a strong defender and a reliable 3pt shooter (he's not high volume and his pct is no longer pushing 40%). I'd like to see him get his 3pta's up to 6 or 7+ and maintain or improve his pct...that would put him in the conversation with the best 3&D guys like Anunoby. Suggs' offensive improvement each year is truly amazing - I wonder where it levels off...guys don't just make those jumps every year.

Before you jump in to defend his honor, I really like him as a part of a serious playoff team...but he's not enough to be a big part of the offense. IMO, he can be emotional defensive intangible guy who makes big shots under the bright lights, but I'm not a believer in "2 guys and the rest by committee" offense as a realistic playoff threat.

It looked like Cole might be the reliable 16 or 17 ppg 3rd offensive engine but...

we still need that guy. Maybe it's Suggs but I'd still look outside this summer and hope Suggs elevates too. THAT would be a formidable team. I hope we extend Suggs quickly and reasonably - but these things sometimes go sideways when the players' "people" create an unrealistic vision of value/respect/intangibles, etc and it can get uncomfortable.

Not really the 3rd option per se, but perhaps the 3rd most important player.

If you look at his 12ppg, his contribution doesn’t warrant a max indeed, or close to it, but he brings great defense as well, definitely translates to more than 12ppg, if you ask me.

For Suggs, you’re paying for his defense, motor and leadership. Anything beyond that is bonus, imo.

This can get tricky.

[pepe1991]

How would you like your crow prepared? BBQ or Sautéed?

You really wanna do victory laps based on one season and "breakout " of 12 poits and 2,5 assists for 5th overall pick in contract year ?

Suggs was drafted to be a PG.
instad he is spot up 3 point shooting SG who only takes open & wide open 3s. Yes, his 3 point percentage improved. But it only went up when we stopped playing him at PG all together.

And to me, it's fine . But it still does not change my opinion that nba guards, in order to have serious offense, need to do more than from time to time hit wide open 3s. Especially in playoffs.

He is one of players i will keep close eye on, once we make playoffs. IF he can hit high percentage of 3s against better pressure, not turn the ball over and maintain level of defense, and showcase himself as more than just 3& D role player, i'll happily eat crows.

But whole bunch of young players do have one "pop" season and revert back in next year(s). From his class alone it happend to Murphey III last year, now Kuminga is breaking out, Kispert last year shot lights out, not so much this year, Cade right now is breaking out, Segun is favorite to win MIP etc.

We will have better outlook on what all of them are in playoffs or at the end of next year, where their rookie deals are out.

Once again, i have no issue about being wrong. But 1 out of 3 years does not mean 2 years didn't happen.

I love how you double down on dying on the hills you make for yourself.

Keep pushing those goalposts.

YOU expected him to be a point guard. He’s an athletic guard that can make plays in the back court and guard multiple spots.

YOU then say that he’s never going to be a good shooter. Here we are in year 3 and he’s a good shooter.

Arguably Orlando’s third best player isn’t atrocious for a top 5 pick in the same year we landed our #2 option. Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious.

Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious

And YOU write it like it's me who proposed such trades.

And no, it's not ME who expected him to be a PG, it was whole basketball world... Talking about moving goalposts.

Magic 3rd "best player" is depth. On any given night we have 6-7 players aside from Franz & Paolo that can get hot and have good nights. Reason why we can afford such luxury? Current contracts situation and not needing to pay anybody serious money.
That also explains why are we ( only?) nba team with only 2 players averaging over 13 ppg. Cole, Suggs, Carter and Mortiz all average between 10-12 points.
It also explains why we have like 8-0 record with Gary Harris starting or 4-1 when Suggs is out or how we menage to mask defensive issues even when best individual defender in Isaac is either out or plays 12 min or how we lost Carter and out of nowhere Goga is popping , just to become DNP-CD guy right after. Our depth is massive factor in our sucess.



It's my personal opinion, and non of your business that i don't belive his 3 point accuracy as done deal.

He is 81st in nba in 3 point attemps and out of 291 attemps 193 were wide open and 84 were open. So defenses don't treat him as deadly shooter. Where some uber shooter like Duncan Robinson only menages to get 1/4th of all 3FGA wide open due defense being at high alert against him.


It's actually hilarious, i even several days ago wrote that it's okey for Suggs to be what he is, but that we still need creative,
capable playmaker .

My personal fear is that he will get massive exstension, while playing in contract year, and simply got worst or , due his playstyle once again be injuried often. But above all else i want to see him actually play well against serious defenses in playoffs.
If that's "doubling down" in your books. Cool. So be it.

[Skybox]

BIg question is...what's his extension amount?

He's been great on the defensive end and his shooting has leapt ahead this year. But Pepe has a real point when you keep his offense in perspective...he's scoring 12ppg and is very clearly the third best player on the roster (perhaps discounting Isaac due to his fragility). He's a solid complementary piece - but he could quickly become an albatross if he eats a chunk of the cap and levels off as a strong defender and a reliable 3pt shooter (he's not high volume and his pct is no longer pushing 40%). I'd like to see him get his 3pta's up to 6 or 7+ and maintain or improve his pct...that would put him in the conversation with the best 3&D guys like Anunoby. Suggs' offensive improvement each year is truly amazing - I wonder where it levels off...guys don't just make those jumps every year.

Before you jump in to defend his honor, I really like him as a part of a serious playoff team...but he's not enough to be a big part of the offense. IMO, he can be emotional defensive intangible guy who makes big shots under the bright lights, but I'm not a believer in "2 guys and the rest by committee" offense as a realistic playoff threat.

It looked like Cole might be the reliable 16 or 17 ppg 3rd offensive engine but...

we still need that guy. Maybe it's Suggs but I'd still look outside this summer and hope Suggs elevates too. THAT would be a formidable team. I hope we extend Suggs quickly and reasonably - but these things sometimes go sideways when the players' "people" create an unrealistic vision of value/respect/intangibles, etc and it can get uncomfortable.

Not really the 3rd option per se, but perhaps the 3rd most important player.

If you look at his 12ppg, his contribution doesn’t warrant a max indeed, or close to it, but he brings great defense as well, definitely translates to more than 12ppg, if you ask me.

For Suggs, you’re paying for his defense, motor and leadership. Anything beyond that is bonus, imo.

This can get tricky.

yes...very easy to overpay for defense. Unless you're Rudy Gobert or even Isaac, the impact is somewhat limited. You can lockdown a player on some nights, but that's really rare with true scoring stars - it's usually "he really made Harden work for those 23 points"...not total neutralizing like Deion Sanders closing down half of the field. That's where the Black conflict comes in...if he is an elite defender (he's NOT on Suggs' level yet) but he's also an OK scorer, they can't play together...you need a passable defender who can score to play with either one. I don't believe in miracles...both will improve, but neither will ever be an offensive force to the level we need.

[thelead]

This place can be so damn toxic

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You really wanna do victory laps based on one season and "breakout " of 12 poits and 2,5 assists for 5th overall pick in contract year ?

Suggs was drafted to be a PG.
instad he is spot up 3 point shooting SG who only takes open & wide open 3s. Yes, his 3 point percentage improved. But it only went up when we stopped playing him at PG all together.

And to me, it's fine . But it still does not change my opinion that nba guards, in order to have serious offense, need to do more than from time to time hit wide open 3s. Especially in playoffs.

He is one of players i will keep close eye on, once we make playoffs. IF he can hit high percentage of 3s against better pressure, not turn the ball over and maintain level of defense, and showcase himself as more than just 3& D role player, i'll happily eat crows.

But whole bunch of young players do have one "pop" season and revert back in next year(s). From his class alone it happend to Murphey III last year, now Kuminga is breaking out, Kispert last year shot lights out, not so much this year, Cade right now is breaking out, Segun is favorite to win MIP etc.

We will have better outlook on what all of them are in playoffs or at the end of next year, where their rookie deals are out.

Once again, i have no issue about being wrong. But 1 out of 3 years does not mean 2 years didn't happen.

I love how you double down on dying on the hills you make for yourself.

Keep pushing those goalposts.

YOU expected him to be a point guard. He’s an athletic guard that can make plays in the back court and guard multiple spots.

YOU then say that he’s never going to be a good shooter. Here we are in year 3 and he’s a good shooter.

Arguably Orlando’s third best player isn’t atrocious for a top 5 pick in the same year we landed our #2 option. Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious.

Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious

And YOU write it like it's me who proposed such trades.

And no, it's not ME who expected him to be a PG, it was whole basketball world... Talking about moving goalposts.

Magic 3rd "best player" is depth. On any given night we have 6-7 players aside from Franz & Paolo that can get hot and have good nights. Reason why we can afford such luxury? Current contracts situation and not needing to pay anybody serious money.
That also explains why are we ( only?) nba team with only 2 players averaging over 13 ppg. Cole, Suggs, Carter and Mortiz all average between 10-12 points.
It also explains why we have like 8-0 record with Gary Harris starting or 4-1 when Suggs is out or how we menage to mask defensive issues even when best individual defender in Isaac is either out or plays 12 min or how we lost Carter and out of nowhere Goga is popping , just to become DNP-CD guy right after. Our depth is massive factor in our sucess.



It's my personal opinion, and non of your business that i don't belive his 3 point accuracy as done deal.

He is 81st in nba in 3 point attemps and out of 291 attemps 193 were wide open and 84 were open. So defenses don't treat him as deadly shooter. Where some uber shooter like Duncan Robinson only menages to get 1/4th of all 3FGA wide open due defense being at high alert against him.


It's actually hilarious, i even several days ago wrote that it's okey for Suggs to be what he is, but that we still need creative,
capable playmaker .

My personal fear is that he will get massive exstension, while playing in contract year, and simply got worst or , due his playstyle once again be injuried often. But above all else i want to see him actually play well against serious defenses in playoffs.
If that's "doubling down" in your books. Cool. So be it.

I’ll wait for your next hot take on an Orlando prospect on a rookie deal and for you to be wrong.

[p0peye]

Sometimes it feels like we want our young players to get as big contract as possible.

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People cant have it both ways.

You want a good team and good players but are terrified of paying said players?

This isn't a Fultz situation where you are giving some unproven guy the second or third largest salary on the roster. It's also not an Isaac situation where you are paying an injury riddled guy the largest salary on the team fearing he never plays. You are instead paying a guy that has had consistent growth every year, that you drafted, and has bought in every season.

At some point you have to pay players. Orlando doesn't even have the value or talent elsewhere to pay for lack of decision making or moves.

[fendilim]

BIg question is...what's his extension amount?

He's been great on the defensive end and his shooting has leapt ahead this year. But Pepe has a real point when you keep his offense in perspective...he's scoring 12ppg and is very clearly the third best player on the roster (perhaps discounting Isaac due to his fragility). He's a solid complementary piece - but he could quickly become an albatross if he eats a chunk of the cap and levels off as a strong defender and a reliable 3pt shooter (he's not high volume and his pct is no longer pushing 40%). I'd like to see him get his 3pta's up to 6 or 7+ and maintain or improve his pct...that would put him in the conversation with the best 3&D guys like Anunoby. Suggs' offensive improvement each year is truly amazing - I wonder where it levels off...guys don't just make those jumps every year.

Before you jump in to defend his honor, I really like him as a part of a serious playoff team...but he's not enough to be a big part of the offense. IMO, he can be emotional defensive intangible guy who makes big shots under the bright lights, but I'm not a believer in "2 guys and the rest by committee" offense as a realistic playoff threat.

It looked like Cole might be the reliable 16 or 17 ppg 3rd offensive engine but...

we still need that guy. Maybe it's Suggs but I'd still look outside this summer and hope Suggs elevates too. THAT would be a formidable team. I hope we extend Suggs quickly and reasonably - but these things sometimes go sideways when the players' "people" create an unrealistic vision of value/respect/intangibles, etc and it can get uncomfortable.

Not really the 3rd option per se, but perhaps the 3rd most important player.

If you look at his 12ppg, his contribution doesn’t warrant a max indeed, or close to it, but he brings great defense as well, definitely translates to more than 12ppg, if you ask me.

For Suggs, you’re paying for his defense, motor and leadership. Anything beyond that is bonus, imo.

This can get tricky.

yes...very easy to overpay for defense. Unless you're Rudy Gobert or even Isaac, the impact is somewhat limited. You can lockdown a player on some nights, but that's really rare with true scoring stars - it's usually "he really made Harden work for those 23 points"...not total neutralizing like Deion Sanders closing down half of the field. That's where the Black conflict comes in...if he is an elite defender (he's NOT on Suggs' level yet) but he's also an OK scorer, they can't play together...you need a passable defender who can score to play with either one. I don't believe in miracles...both will improve, but neither will ever be an offensive force to the level we need.

I do believe Suggs and Black can co-exist. Especially if Black shows continues improvement with his shooting.

Black isn’t a high usage guy. And Suggs is showing he is improving every year.

Our third option can really be a high-end 6th man like Malik Monk who is a dynamic scorer and can turn it on.


Or the third option can be from the center spot, which I think should be upgraded anyway. With guys like Jokic, Embiid, Wemby, I don’t think WCJ will be enough when we finally contend.

[Residual-Heat]

We will sign Suggs to a reasonable extension and watch him break out into an all-star level player.

[p0peye]

You want a good team and good players but are terrified of paying said players?

Yes, I want a good team. (period) I have no other goals and don't care who the players on that team are, what is their background, name or stats.

With limited budget to hire as many good players as possible that means less I pay them, more of them I have, thus better the team. How much exactly I need to pay will be the lowest market value possible. Paying any more than that is speculative trading.

It's called capitalism.

[BadMofoPimp]

Sometimes it feels like we want our young players to get as big contract as possible.

Fans probably do, but Magic lately have not. Fultz, WCJ and Isaac all got solid team favored deals in my opinion. If they can get Suggs to agree for around $20 mil per, I be happy.

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You want a good team and good players but are terrified of paying said players?

Yes, I want a good team. (period) I have no other goals and don't care who the players on that team are, what is their background, name or stats.

With limited budget to hire as many good players as possible that means less I pay them, more of them I have, thus better the team. How much exactly I need to pay will be the lowest market value possible. Paying any more than that is speculative trading.

It's called capitalism.

Yeah, thats great.

Who on the team are you ok with them paying?

Or are you saying there is some other unknown player that isn't on the roster yet that we should be paying instead?

[pepe1991]

I love how you double down on dying on the hills you make for yourself.

Keep pushing those goalposts.

YOU expected him to be a point guard. He’s an athletic guard that can make plays in the back court and guard multiple spots.

YOU then say that he’s never going to be a good shooter. Here we are in year 3 and he’s a good shooter.

Arguably Orlando’s third best player isn’t atrocious for a top 5 pick in the same year we landed our #2 option. Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious.

Then I read about people here willing to trade the farm for guys like Bane or Simons like they don’t have the same value… hilarious

And YOU write it like it's me who proposed such trades.

And no, it's not ME who expected him to be a PG, it was whole basketball world... Talking about moving goalposts.

Magic 3rd "best player" is depth. On any given night we have 6-7 players aside from Franz & Paolo that can get hot and have good nights. Reason why we can afford such luxury? Current contracts situation and not needing to pay anybody serious money.
That also explains why are we ( only?) nba team with only 2 players averaging over 13 ppg. Cole, Suggs, Carter and Mortiz all average between 10-12 points.
It also explains why we have like 8-0 record with Gary Harris starting or 4-1 when Suggs is out or how we menage to mask defensive issues even when best individual defender in Isaac is either out or plays 12 min or how we lost Carter and out of nowhere Goga is popping , just to become DNP-CD guy right after. Our depth is massive factor in our sucess.



It's my personal opinion, and non of your business that i don't belive his 3 point accuracy as done deal.

He is 81st in nba in 3 point attemps and out of 291 attemps 193 were wide open and 84 were open. So defenses don't treat him as deadly shooter. Where some uber shooter like Duncan Robinson only menages to get 1/4th of all 3FGA wide open due defense being at high alert against him.


It's actually hilarious, i even several days ago wrote that it's okey for Suggs to be what he is, but that we still need creative,
capable playmaker .

My personal fear is that he will get massive exstension, while playing in contract year, and simply got worst or , due his playstyle once again be injuried often. But above all else i want to see him actually play well against serious defenses in playoffs.
If that's "doubling down" in your books. Cool. So be it.

I’ll wait for your next hot take on an Orlando prospect on a rookie deal and for you to be wrong.

"Hot take" guy had historically awful rookie year shooting vise, and showcased zero playmaking capability.
In year two his on ball action was on reduction, and he improved, still averaged only 10 ppg on 49% eFG.

In year 3 he averages 12 ppg on 2,5 apg and is removed from ball actions all together. 41% of all shots he attemped were simply catch and shoot.

Does player like that has purpose ? Yes. I never said it doesn't .

I can get behing such aryhytpe getting some 4 years $70-80M type contract. i can't get behind such player getting Jaden McDaniels type of contract.

McDaniels declined in PPG, RPG, APG FG% 3% and BPG as soon as he signed contact and "broke out".

I don't see how Wolves can sustain current salary cap. I have zero desire for such scenario for Magic. I already said in first replay, your biggest strenght today is our depth . Reason why we have such depth is fact that nobody broke our bank (yet), but we are all here smart enough to know Paolo & Suggs will eat out half of our cap sooner or later.

[p0peye]

You want a good team and good players but are terrified of paying said players?

Yes, I want a good team. (period) I have no other goals and don't care who the players on that team are, what is their background, name or stats.

With limited budget to hire as many good players as possible that means less I pay them, more of them I have, thus better the team. How much exactly I need to pay will be the lowest market value possible. Paying any more than that is speculative trading.

It's called capitalism.

Yeah, thats great.

Who on the team are you ok with them paying?

Or are you saying there is some other unknown player that isn't on the roster yet that we should be paying instead?

I'm OK paying good players, Suggs being amongst them, and will always look to be the least possible dollar value. For someone like Paolo it might mean max contract, not for others. As BMP said, this front office was so far frugal.

[JoshuaPotter]

So what are we arguing about here? Way too many storylines.

Current bottom line is Suggs is going to get paid. How much? I have no clue. A lot of it will depend on 2-3 things.

- Health / staying healthy thru the key stretch of games and into the hopeful playoffs
- Performance in the regular season
- Playoff performance. Will he rise to the occasion as the 3rd option?

You could currently say the same thing of Franz + Suggs + Paolo though. Although Paolo that seems to be looking more and more towards max contract.