Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XXXIX Off-Season Edition)

[bigdogdylan5]

LOL this is awesome
david pingalore‏@pinglocal6

http://es.pn/NvQ5Ki from my interview. I have heard though multiple people with direct knowledge of @DwightHoward it is heating up

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider

@pinglocal6 @DwightHoward And Abe Lincoln hunted vampires.

[OrlandoMajinBuu]

Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.

Bynum couldn't play and integral role in a championship team, even with a perimeter player like Kobe, and a partner in the post like Gasol. You guys want to pair him up with someone like Ellis in Orlando and expect to win a championship ? please.

Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see that Bynum even with a great team around him didn't lead them to a championship.

I have agreed before and I do again. = +2

[Orlando Tragic]

I don't know why everyone is so high on Lamb. Watch any UConn BB this year? He'll turn out to be Courtney Lee if he's lucky. And Parsons is overrated. Chances are neither will even be on the team in 2 years. The Houston trade makes no sense at all unless we unload multiple salarys. One won't cut it.

[rcklsscognition]

Don't forget Gasol has a 15% trade kicker on his contract.

The kicker is a joke. It was negotiated by agents who didn't know the CBA.

Max contract players cannot exceed the max contract with a kicker so essentially it is null and void.

I'm probably incorrect, but I see the max contract allowed in 2012-2013 for a player with 10+ years experience is $20,315,400. Pau makes $19,000,000 next year. He'd get 1.3 mil in a trade kicker and that would be spread over the rest of the contract, so he'd be making 19,650,000 next year and $19,935,850 in the final year.

[Skin]

LOL this is awesome
david pingalore‏@pinglocal6

http://es.pn/NvQ5Ki from my interview. I have heard though multiple people with direct knowledge of @DwightHoward it is heating up

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider

@pinglocal6 @DwightHoward And Abe Lincoln hunted vampires.

The only thing I've been waiting for is to see what happens with Lin/Asik. Since today is the deadline, I expected the heat to pick up.

Good to see the rumor mill gearing up again though. Thanks for posting.

[LarsV8]

You sure about your offer ? I mean the salaries have to work you know. We can't just go ahead and get Lamb/Morris/Toronto pick for Dwight/Hedo for example.

Houston is under the cap by 30 million, 22 if Lin is not matched. Teams under the cap are not bound by matching rules

1st trade:
Dwight for capspace (huge TPE created for Orlando)

2nd Trade:
Jrich for Lamb, Morris, Toronto pick

Is how it would work hypothetically. Kmart would likely only have to be included if Turk was the contract dumped or Asik is not matched. Even then, they could possibly squeeze it together.

2 Rookies should be reasonable, as you guys were offering all 3 at the draft. And take back 2 bad contracts, one big-Jrich, one small-Duhon. Something along these lines wouldn't be bad for both sides

The package reported at the draft was reported by the same people who reported the silly all in package, It was incorrect.

You have to remember we are trading for an expiring contract. The Houston offer is more than fair. If you find a better package, you should take it, because its a steal. Just be careful that it is actually a better package and not just something shiny.

[rcklsscognition]

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon

So nothing new... RT @nikochanr3: Lakers talking to Magic, Magic trying to include Rockets, everyone ignoring Rockets, Dwight whining.

The only thing I'm sure of is Dwight is whining.

[rcklsscognition]

LOL this is awesome
david pingalore‏@pinglocal6

http://es.pn/NvQ5Ki from my interview. I have heard though multiple people with direct knowledge of @DwightHoward it is heating up

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider

@pinglocal6 @DwightHoward And Abe Lincoln hunted vampires.

The only thing I've been waiting for is to see what happens with Lin/Asik. Since today is the deadline, I expected the heat to pick up.

Good to see the rumor mill gearing up again though. Thanks for posting.

I hope we get some rumors after Lin is dealt with, but Asik has not signed an offer sheet from the Rockets yet. It's going to be at least 3 more days for that too.

[Ahmadab]

Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.

Bynum couldn't play and integral role in a championship team, even with a perimeter player like Kobe, and a partner in the post like Gasol. You guys want to pair him up with someone like Ellis in Orlando and expect to win a championship ? please.

If you actually watched the Lakers you would've seen Bynum was not involved within the offense nearly as much as he should have been. The only knock on Bynum is his injuries - there is no way you can discredit his game.

If Bynum was good enough they would have gone to him more, and don't hit me with the KOBE DOESN'T PASS THE BALL HURR DURR argument. The fact that Bynum is sooo much better than Dwight on offense is a myth, it's just that Dwight's move like a robot moving, while Bynum looks smoother, but you can't forget that he actually scores. Even then, Bynum doesn't have a solid go-to move in the post. I get that Bynum is still young, and have no doubt that he's the #2 center in the league, but the gap between #1 and #2 is very vast.
What sets them apart is the defense, and i doubt that Bynum can be the centerpiece on a championship team.

[SEBAS-07]

Andrew Bynum is going to demand at least $70 million on his contract. He has Grant Hill written all over him.
Why should we grant the Lakers a meeting with Dwight? he is not a free agent. I don't remember a team meeting with a player before trading for him.

[Skin]

You sure about your offer ? I mean the salaries have to work you know. We can't just go ahead and get Lamb/Morris/Toronto pick for Dwight/Hedo for example.

Houston is under the cap by 30 million, 22 if Lin is not matched. Teams under the cap are not bound by matching rules

1st trade:
Dwight for capspace (huge TPE created for Orlando)

2nd Trade:
Jrich for Lamb, Morris, Toronto pick

Is how it would work hypothetically. Kmart would likely only have to be included if Turk was the contract dumped or Asik is not matched. Even then, they could possibly squeeze it together.

2 Rookies should be reasonable, as you guys were offering all 3 at the draft. And take back 2 bad contracts, one big-Jrich, one small-Duhon. Something along these lines wouldn't be bad for both sides

The package reported at the draft was reported by the same people who reported the silly all in package, It was incorrect.

You have to remember we are trading for an expiring contract. The Houston offer is more than fair. If you find a better package, you should take it, because its a steal. Just be careful that it is actually a better package and not just something shiny.

A TPE does nothing for the Magic. If you think you can get Dwight and JRich for Lamb, Morris and the Toronto pick then that's just silly talk.

You could argue that TPE's in the new CBA are even more less likely to be used than it was in the old CBA because teams aren't willing to field teams with taxing salary costs. TPE's are only good if you are willing to take on more salary.

[LarsV8]

I think what you are seeing is the Magic trying to find a better offer than Houstons.

Lakers could potentially be that offer, but the hangup is always going to come to the same end....LAL wanting an extension commitment to justify taking on extra bad contracts, which will likely never come. OR a third team to facilitate the deal. Unfortunately Cleveland has nothing to send to Orlando and Houston is not going to help unless they rape the deal.

Other than that, it would have to be a very creative scenario to work out for all parties.

[cvMagic]

Props to you man. This is exactly why I have high hopes of us doing a Bynum package. It makes sense to trade an All-Star for an All-Star in the same position. Guards will always come and we have enough forwards. Centers are easily the hardest positions to fill.

Nice to see there are some Magic fans who see we can get Bynum and still build a solid team around him at the same time.
It doesn't have to be an either / or.

Bynum couldn't play and integral role in a championship team, even with a perimeter player like Kobe, and a partner in the post like Gasol. You guys want to pair him up with someone like Ellis in Orlando and expect to win a championship ? please.

Hate to be mean on the boards, but that comment is a little ignorant on your part. Bynum was 21 in that first Finals and still very much a work in progress.

He was a project player when he was drafted, the kind of guy we hear about every year but almost never pans out. Except this guy did... under the tutelage of the Zen master and his staff. Two years ago he started to blossom, and last year he finally put it all together.

And last time I checked, the Lakers won 2 titles with him. He's 24 and been posting near double-doubles on a championship caliber team for 5 seasons now. You can count on your hands the number of times in NBA history that a center that young and promising has been available.

Unfortunately,most of those occurrences involve the magic.

[LarsV8]

A TPE does nothing for the Magic. If you think you can get Dwight and JRich for Lamb, Morris and the Toronto pick then that's just silly talk.

You could argue that TPE's in the new CBA are even more less likely to be used than it was in the old CBA because teams aren't willing to field teams with taxing salary costs. TPE's are only good if you are willing to take on more salary.

I was not talking up a TPE, only explaining how a deal could be made without including K-Mart.

Houston's deal may not be enough to get it done, but thats really the only offer that makes sense for us to make. Now little things might be added like second round picks, or the Dallas pick, but nothing significant.

[SEBAS-07]

Well the Zen master always favored the Gasol and Odom frontcourt.

[rcklsscognition]

If the Knicks trade Lin in two years, the new team gets the poison pill contract, not the 8 mil per like Houston, right? I've never seen a poison pill contract traded.

[backasswards]

Thankfully this board has several talented scouts, CBA experts, accountants and attorneys that can really share their knowledge on the current trade scenarios.

[Skin]

A TPE does nothing for the Magic. If you think you can get Dwight and JRich for Lamb, Morris and the Toronto pick then that's just silly talk.

You could argue that TPE's in the new CBA are even more less likely to be used than it was in the old CBA because teams aren't willing to field teams with taxing salary costs. TPE's are only good if you are willing to take on more salary.

I was not talking up a TPE, only explaining how a deal could be made without including K-Mart.

Houston's deal may not be enough to get it done, but thats really the only offer that makes sense for us to make. Now little things might be added like second round picks, or the Dallas pick, but nothing significant.

Oh if you're just talking about what's possible, but not probable, then I see what you're saying.

[SolidSnake008]

Since the Dwight "DM's" came out i can see these "Talks" with the Lakers as a way to up the ante with the Rockets.....Rockets might be lowballing.....this might be a way to even the playing field so to speak by letting them know that they are not the only offer out there.....Although that goes both ways....i'm sure the Rockets know that we're trying to get rid of bad contracts....no way the Lakers take on any Bad contracts.....

[rcklsscognition]

Eye on Basketball ‏@EyeOnBasketball

Report: Lakers meeting with Magic about Dwight Howard today. http://cbsprt.co/Nfx17v Key phrase is "pushing hard" here.

I didn't think this was an official meeting. I don't see how signing Humphries to a contract makes the NJ deal amazing all of a sudden. Why wasn't that on the table during our discussions with the Nets last week?