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Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1321 » by Def Swami » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:46 pm

There are still questions about whether Burke is 6'1" according to some in David Aldridge's take on point guard prospects. This is a good read for those interested. Gives good insight into what people making the picks think about these guys so far.
This is not a predictor of when these players will be taken. These rankings, based on discussions with dozens of NBA and college coaches, and NBA college scouts and team executives, address the question of how ready players are to play the position which they are assigned: In other words, if there was a game tonight, who would play better at that position tonight, not in three years. Players are ranked based on the position that the coaches and scouts believe is their best NBA position, and even then, there is always disagreement between teams.
• "Sleepers" are players almost certain to go in the second round but who may have first-round talent or otherwise have an impact on the teams that select them if they overcome perceived shortcomings.
• "Some Scouts Like" are players who are not certain to declare, but are viewed as potentially draftable if they do -- with an emphasis on "potentially."
• All measurements are the ones listed from a player's school or team. Official player measurements will be available after the Chicago pre-Draft camp.

Regarding Burke:
Burke thought about entering last year's Draft after his freshman season, but wisely went back to Ann Arbor to work on his game. Had he entered last year, he likely would have been a second-round pick. Now, he's a lock to be in the lottery, despite being under six feet (few believe his listed 6-foot height).

"Unless you know of a way you can improve on 5-11, there's nothing you can do about that," a Central Division personnel man said. "The number one thing he's done is he's leading his team. He's shown he can lead a team into a very successful season. He's one of the most talented point guards in the Draft."
Said a Northwest Division personnel man: "He's an extremely hard worker, gym rat, has a competitive spirit that he wants to get better, wants to be one of the better point guards. And he worked at it. (Michigan Coach John) Beilein gave the ball and let him make his mistakes, and he grew in confidence."
Burke's ability to create space and get his shot off also bodes well for his pro prospects. Some teams believe Burke is the best player in the Draft, period.

"If Burke was 6-foot-2, 6-foot-3, we wouldn't be having this conversation," a Southeast Division executive said. "These are the same questions as when Chris Paul was coming out. [Burke]'s a very clever basketball player. You watch him play, and you've got to go back to when Chris was coming out of college ... Burke already knows how to play screen and roll better than most college kids. And he must have been watching film on Chris. When [Burke] gets around the first guy, he immediately gets in front of that guy and keeps that guy on his back. He keeps his dribble alive and surveys what he sees. Those little things, those are hard to teach. He does it time and time again."
But size still matters.

"You question what is he going to be able to defend -- starting guys or backup guys?" the Central Division personnel man says. "There aren't that many 5-foot-11 starting point guards. I think that will be the toughest thing will be the workouts. The guys in his range are Marcus Smart and Michael Carter-Williams, and one of them is 6-foot-6 and the other is 6-foot-3. Don't get me wrong; I do think Burke is talented enough that teams are going to want to figure out a way for him to be their starter."
Indeed, with their size, Smart and Carter-Williams are more prototypical NBA lead guards.

Good in-depth analysis about Marcus Smart, Michael Carter-Williams, and CJ McCollum in here too.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1322 » by Tayswagzzz » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:49 pm

ALL we have to do is tank one more season for Andrew Wiggins and we are going to be a dynasty.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1323 » by RickB-Orlando » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:57 pm

cedric76 wrote:Let's get the height out of the way first. Yes, he is only 6'0" and doesn't have the prototypical height for an NBA point guard. But when we take a look at some of the best point guards in the NBA today, I see similarities with height.





Top NBA Point Guards, 6'1" or Shorter



Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets—5'11"

Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers—6'0"

Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs—6'1"

Rajon Rondo, Boston Celtics—6'1"

Last time I checked, all of these point guards have had success in the NBA one way or another. So height is not an issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1585 ... -five-pick


I find it difficult to believe that being taller would be viewed as a negative, though. We've had a short PG for years and all that happens is people want him replaced. Shorter in general equals liabilities on defense in the NBA.

Look at Jameer, Ish, or Duhon, as recent examples. Being shorter certainly doesn't give any of them an advantage. Contrast that with Udrih, who appears to have excellent court vision and passing lanes, at 6'3". I know you don't think he'd be better if he were shorter...?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1324 » by Bensational » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:08 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
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WallabyPie wrote:Not possible. There can be only one option year per contract.


Ahhh, I see.


But the rules say there can be 1, doesn't say when it has to be. It could be year 1. If it was an ETO it'd have to be the last year of the contract.


i took that guy's comment to mean that the option year can only be for the final year. so if Wall had an option after 1 year, the total length of his contract can only be 2 years (like Mayo's current deal).

can you have an option for 3 more years in a contract? you'd have to imagine it would've been done if it was possible.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1325 » by Def Swami » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:23 pm

The Turkish basketball team Fenerbahçe will attempt to sign Orlando Magic forward Hedo Türkoğlu "for the upcoming season," according to Can Pelister, who writes for the Turkish basketball website trendbasket.net. Pelister cites "a source close to the team." Fenerbahçe is based in Türkoğlu's hometown of Istanbul.

Türkoğlu is still under contract for the 2013/14 NBA season, but only half of his $12 million salary is guaranteed. Orlando can free a roster spot by waiving Türkoğlu and paying him $6 million, which salary will still count against Orlando's cap. If the Magic decide to cut ties with Türkoğlu, the 34-year-old could sign with Fenerbahçe or any other club.

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Post#1326 » by RookieStar » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:11 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
The Turkish basketball team Fenerbahçe will attempt to sign Orlando Magic forward Hedo Türkoğlu "for the upcoming season," according to Can Pelister, who writes for the Turkish basketball website trendbasket.net. Pelister cites "a source close to the team." Fenerbahçe is based in Türkoğlu's hometown of Istanbul.

Türkoğlu is still under contract for the 2013/14 NBA season, but only half of his $12 million salary is guaranteed. Orlando can free a roster spot by waiving Türkoğlu and paying him $6 million, which salary will still count against Orlando's cap. If the Magic decide to cut ties with Türkoğlu, the 34-year-old could sign with Fenerbahçe or any other club.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... magic-2013


well.. win-win. give Turk to them for some "incentives" and we both go away happy...xcept maybe turk lol
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1327 » by Bensational » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
The Turkish basketball team Fenerbahçe will attempt to sign Orlando Magic forward Hedo Türkoğlu "for the upcoming season," according to Can Pelister, who writes for the Turkish basketball website trendbasket.net. Pelister cites "a source close to the team." Fenerbahçe is based in Türkoğlu's hometown of Istanbul.

Türkoğlu is still under contract for the 2013/14 NBA season, but only half of his $12 million salary is guaranteed. Orlando can free a roster spot by waiving Türkoğlu and paying him $6 million, which salary will still count against Orlando's cap. If the Magic decide to cut ties with Türkoğlu, the 34-year-old could sign with Fenerbahçe or any other club.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... magic-2013


can an NBA franchise organise any kind of buyout option from international teams? Can Orlando get Fenerbahce to give up $3M for Turk, to cushion the blow of cutting him?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1328 » by hanhh » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:36 am

lmao anyone just hear Kerr say "Johnson with the penetration" michigan/kansas.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#1329 » by blue and white » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:29 am

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cedric76 wrote:Let's get the height out of the way first. Yes, he is only 6'0" and doesn't have the prototypical height for an NBA point guard. But when we take a look at some of the best point guards in the NBA today, I see similarities with height.





Top NBA Point Guards, 6'1" or Shorter



Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets—5'11"

Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers—6'0"

Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs—6'1"

Rajon Rondo, Boston Celtics—6'1"

Last time I checked, all of these point guards have had success in the NBA one way or another. So height is not an issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1585 ... -five-pick


All of those guys have game changing athleticism and speed though. Burke doesn't.

I expect Burke to have a Jameer/MoWilliams/Felton type of career as a solid starter, which is still great value in this draft

+1. completely agree with everything you just said except cp3 isnt super athletic but he is still very very smart and a tenacious defender with amazing leadership skills
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Post#1330 » by RookieStar » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:02 am

^^^ Cp3 I think is very athletic. I mean the speed he has blowing by opponents is a sign of athleticism
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Post#1331 » by G-Heel » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:07 am

RookieStar wrote:^^^ Cp3 I think is very athletic. I mean the speed he has blowing by opponents is a sign of athleticism


Agree. For PG speed is more important than jumping ability.
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Post#1332 » by blue and white » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:20 am

RookieStar wrote:^^^ Cp3 I think is very athletic. I mean the speed he has blowing by opponents is a sign of athleticism

dont get me wrong hes fast but i wouldnt say hes faster then jameer. cp3 just has crazy good handles and can get anywhere on the court he wants to with handles and smarts but he doesnt have drose westbrook john wall speed and athleticism
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Post#1333 » by OrlandO » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:56 am

I don't think afflalo knows how twitter works... apparently he has two usernames?
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Post#1334 » by jfinley88 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:04 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
The Turkish basketball team Fenerbahçe will attempt to sign Orlando Magic forward Hedo Türkoğlu "for the upcoming season," according to Can Pelister, who writes for the Turkish basketball website trendbasket.net. Pelister cites "a source close to the team." Fenerbahçe is based in Türkoğlu's hometown of Istanbul.

Türkoğlu is still under contract for the 2013/14 NBA season, but only half of his $12 million salary is guaranteed. Orlando can free a roster spot by waiving Türkoğlu and paying him $6 million, which salary will still count against Orlando's cap. If the Magic decide to cut ties with Türkoğlu, the 34-year-old could sign with Fenerbahçe or any other club.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... magic-2013


If this happend would it just essentially be an amnesty for us?!?!
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Post#1335 » by NickAnderson » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:54 am

lol @ CP3 a tenacious defender.
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Post#1336 » by KingRobb02 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:17 pm

NickAnderson wrote:lol @ CP3 a tenacious defender.

lol @ your lol.
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Post#1337 » by glennathan » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:27 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:lol @ CP3 a tenacious defender.

lol @ your lol.


Would not say he is a great team defender but he is certainly a good man to man defender. He does hold some record for most games with steals or something like that.

Chris Paul is no Gary Payton but he is better than most PG's on defense
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Post#1338 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:59 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Let's get the height out of the way first. Yes, he is only 6'0" and doesn't have the prototypical height for an NBA point guard. But when we take a look at some of the best point guards in the NBA today, I see similarities with height.





Top NBA Point Guards, 6'1" or Shorter



Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets—5'11"

Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers—6'0"

Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs—6'1"

Rajon Rondo, Boston Celtics—6'1"

Last time I checked, all of these point guards have had success in the NBA one way or another. So height is not an issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1585 ... -five-pick


I find it difficult to believe that being taller would be viewed as a negative, though. We've had a short PG for years and all that happens is people want him replaced. Shorter in general equals liabilities on defense in the NBA.

Look at Jameer, Ish, or Duhon, as recent examples. Being shorter certainly doesn't give any of them an advantage. Contrast that with Udrih, who appears to have excellent court vision and passing lanes, at 6'3". I know you don't think he'd be better if he were shorter...?

Burke isnt as athletic as any of those players and they are the top NBA pg's for a reason. He is going to struggle in he NBA. I said the same thing way back when Rick-B, having Jameer here for so long and witnessing the problems he had to endure defensively, why would anyone want burke with the direction the pg position is going? That applies to a certain offensively challenged big man coming off a torn ACL.
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Post#1339 » by trebone » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:41 pm

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Post#1340 » by blue and white » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:16 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:lol @ CP3 a tenacious defender.

lol @ your lol.

cp3 has made the NBA all defensive team 4 times. Are you really gonna tell me hes not a good defender? ok :lol:

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