Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition)

magicman123 · Post #1321 » by **magicman123** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:35 pm

You don't need elite running backs to win Super Bowls, QB play is way more important and its not close
And who has the jags ahead of the dolphins? Lol

BadMofoPimp · Post #1322 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:39 pm

tiderulz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
FYI. Pro Sports teams success is not valued only based on how many championships they have won. Otherwise, we have over 20 franchises that have been crap for their entire existence. Whats the reason to even watch the game if all you are concerned about is if your team is championship caliber. To me, making the playoffs and being competitive to watch is success to me. And, those running backs have made their teams very entertaining and successful to watch.

well, depends on who you talk to. Many pro franchises themselves state that they measure success on achieving championships. and not winning the SB doesnt mean you are crap, but just making the playoffs doesnt always mean you were great either. Compare it to basketball. is an 8th seed team a success? Is Milwaukee? Atlanta?

franchises, like QB's and like star NBA players, whether they like it or not, get graded on how many championships they have.

So whats the use of being a fan of 20 plus teams if your fans option is to either win Championships now or tank.

I doubt any owner, GM or invester judges their teams success based on if they are Championship caliber or how many Ships they won. It just sounds very stupid to judge sports teams solely based on Championship pedigree. I wouldn't want those types of people as fans of my team.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1323 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:41 pm

magicman123 wrote:You don't need elite running backs to win Super Bowls, QB play is way more important and its not close
And who has the jags ahead of the dolphins? Lol

If the Dolphins don't upgrade one of there OT's, I guarantee the Jags will end up with the better record.

jgosche · Post #1324 » by **jgosche** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:43 pm

Bucs are going to stun people this year. I'm usually really pessimistic about them, but I firmly believe they're getting 10 or 11 wins this season.

MagicFan41 · Post #1325 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:44 pm

jgosche wrote:Bucs are going to stun people this year. I'm usually really pessimistic about them, but I firmly believe they're getting 10 or 11 wins this season.

I'm a huge Bucs fan...and we are gonna be great this year. Our schedule is kind of a beast though....I'm thinking around 8-8 or 9-7....optimistic for 11-5. In another year or two they should be contenders, just like us

MagicFan41 · Post #1326 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:45 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Knicks and 76ers are showing interest in free agent guard Chris Duhon, league sources tell Y! Sports. Twitter @WojYahooNBA

BAHAHAHA. The Knicks think he is good and the Sixers want him to tank. Hilarious that they want him for opposite reasons.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1327 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:46 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
FYI. Pro Sports teams success is not valued only based on how many championships they have won. Otherwise, we have over 20 franchises that have been crap for their entire existence. Whats the reason to even watch the game if all you are concerned about is if your team is championship caliber. To me, making the playoffs and being competitive to watch is success to me. And, those running backs have made their teams very entertaining and successful to watch.

well, depends on who you talk to. Many pro franchises themselves state that they measure success on achieving championships. and not winning the SB doesnt mean you are crap, but just making the playoffs doesnt always mean you were great either. Compare it to basketball. is an 8th seed team a success? Is Milwaukee? Atlanta?

franchises, like QB's and like star NBA players, whether they like it or not, get graded on how many championships they have.

So whats the use of being a fan of 20 plus teams if your fans option is to either win Championships now or tank.

I doubt any owner, GM or invester judges their teams success based on if they are Championship caliber or how many Ships they won. It just sounds very stupid to judge sports teams solely based on Championship pedigree. I wouldn't want those types of people as fans of my team.

I know it's hard to believe as a Magic and Dolphins fan but there are definitely franchises in the NFL/NBA/MLB/etc where it is a disappointment if you don't win the championship

Do you think this season would have been a success for the Heat if they lost in the finals?

BadMofoPimp · Post #1328 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:48 pm

Zmill wrote:
I know it's hard to believe as a Magic and Dolphins fan but there are definitely franchises in the NFL/NBA/MLB/etc where it is a disappointment if you don't win the championship

Do you think this season would have been a success for the Heat if they lost in the finals?

To me, Yes. Because, the Heat made it to (3) finals in a row. That in itself is quite an accomplishment.

MagicFan41 · Post #1329 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 5:58 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ie-Program

And so it begins.....lol.

jgosche · Post #1330 » by **jgosche** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 6:05 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229297/Shabazz-Muhammad-Sent-Home-From-NBAs-Rookie-Program

And so it begins.....lol.

Disregard NBA career; acquire bitches and weed.

tiderulz · Post #1331 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 6:19 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Zmill wrote:
I know it's hard to believe as a Magic and Dolphins fan but there are definitely franchises in the NFL/NBA/MLB/etc where it is a disappointment if you don't win the championship

Do you think this season would have been a success for the Heat if they lost in the finals?

To me, Yes. Because, the Heat made it to (3) finals in a row. That in itself is quite an accomplishment.

you dont think the Patriots, Niners, Cowboys (in the past) Steelers, , Packers recently, Saints, try to measure success by winning the SB? Yankees were the team that did that in baseball. Celtics, Lakers, SA. Do you think SA and their fans thought having the top seed in the WC but no titles the past 2 years was a success?

I can understand that you dont measure it like that, and depending on your team, a title isnt the only factor for success. But that is what you strive for. Alabama's 11-1 team before bowl season in 2008, because they didnt win the SEC and had no chance at a title did not believe their season a success. And this is coming off a 7-6 year that saw them lose to LA-Monroe.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1332 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 6:22 pm

tiderulz wrote:
you dont think the Patriots, Niners, Cowboys (in the past) Steelers, , Packers recently, Saints, try to measure success by winning the SB? Yankees were the team that did that in baseball. Celtics, Lakers, SA. Do you think SA and their fans thought having the top seed in the WC but no titles the past 2 years was a success?

I can understand that you dont measure it like that, and depending on your team, a title isnt the only factor for success. But that is what you strive for. Alabama's 11-1 team before bowl season in 2008, because they didnt win the SEC and had no chance at a title did not believe their season a success. And this is coming off a 7-6 year that saw them lose to LA-Monroe.

They try to measure success by winning the ship. But, when it is all said and done, they are content to be one of the best teams in the league that year and went far in the process.

TDJacksonville · Post #1333 » by **TDJacksonville** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:07 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
magicman123 wrote:You don't need elite running backs to win Super Bowls, QB play is way more important and its not close
And who has the jags ahead of the dolphins? Lol

If the Dolphins don't upgrade one of there OT's, I guarantee the Jags will end up with the better record.

id bet the Jags RT is Better than your LT right now. i would use monroe but hes a top 10 lt.

tiderulz · Post #1334 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:10 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
you dont think the Patriots, Niners, Cowboys (in the past) Steelers, , Packers recently, Saints, try to measure success by winning the SB? Yankees were the team that did that in baseball. Celtics, Lakers, SA. Do you think SA and their fans thought having the top seed in the WC but no titles the past 2 years was a success?

I can understand that you dont measure it like that, and depending on your team, a title isnt the only factor for success. But that is what you strive for. Alabama's 11-1 team before bowl season in 2008, because they didnt win the SEC and had no chance at a title did not believe their season a success. And this is coming off a 7-6 year that saw them lose to LA-Monroe.

They try to measure success by winning the ship. But, when it is all said and done, they are content to be one of the best teams in the league that year and went far in the process.

like i said, you may measure it like that, but others do not.

TDJacksonville · Post #1335 » by **TDJacksonville** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:10 pm

if the Knicks sign Dudu then we aint getting their pick

BadMofoPimp · Post #1336 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:15 pm

tiderulz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:They try to measure success by winning the ship. But, when it is all said and done, they are content to be one of the best teams in the league that year and went far in the process.

like i said, you may measure it like that, but others do not.

Fair enough. But, even though all 32 teams strive to win a championship, it isn't feasible to happen for most of them. Thus, not every team should be judged by how many ships they have or their ability to get one within the next season or two.

MagicFan41 · Post #1337 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:16 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:if the Knicks sign Dudu then we aint getting their pick

Lol. Whatever makes both Denver and NYK worse is good for us. Doesn't matter which of their picks we get...it's all the same to us. George Karl and Iggy leaving are real nice for us. Hopefully Amare either remains off the court or plays like trash this year. Them letting Novak go helps us as well. Curious to see how Bargnani fits in. Brooklyn getting better, Chicago getting Rose back and Indy getting better all help us. I could def see Denver not making the playoffs in the West (or maybe 7-8 seed behind OKC, Spurs, Clippers, Grizz, Warriors, Rockets...never know how Portland, Lakers, Minny are gonna pan out) and the Knicks slipping to 5 seed in the East behind (Heat, Chicago, Indy, Brooklyn). So that pick might not be THAT far down in a sick draft.

in-limbo · Post #1338 » by **in-limbo** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:44 pm

AddiFB wrote:

Very nice. Those days are coming. Loved the original shot of Dipo as well, with all the blue on him.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1339 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:48 pm

Who would of thought before last season that Oladipo would have been the possibly the best player in the draft?

I am so excited now. He looks to be the real deal.

OrlDave · Post #1340 » by **OrlDave** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:48 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:They try to measure success by winning the ship. But, when it is all said and done, they are content to be one of the best teams in the league that year and went far in the process.

like i said, you may measure it like that, but others do not.

Fair enough. But, even though all 32 teams strive to win a championship, it isn't feasible to happen for most of them. Thus, not every team should be judged by how many ships they have or their ability to get one within the next season or two.

We'll it's vastly more feasible in the NFL than the NBA. In the past 20 years 13 different teams have won titles with 6 winning more than one (NYG x2, GB x2, NE x3, Dallas x2, Baltimore x2, Denver x2).

Over that same span 8 NBA teams have won with only 3 winning just once. The rest (Chi x3, SA x4, LA x5, Hou x2, Mia x3) winning multiple.