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Post#1361 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu May 9, 2013 4:53 pm

LC_Magic wrote:It has to be Burke unless Rob has a trade up his sleeve to get a PG in the mid 1st or a big. I'm not really into Mclemore because I feel like we are set (for the future) when it comes to scoring

I disagree. None of the players we have are going to be elite scorers in the NBA. We're currently starting 5 future role players none of which are consistent "go to" scorers. McElmore could very easily become a go to player on this team.
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Post#1362 » by Noonskadoodle » Thu May 9, 2013 4:59 pm

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Post#1363 » by j-ragg » Thu May 9, 2013 4:59 pm

londoncollin wrote:Don't we have a second 2014 pick from the Dwight trade?


Whoever has the crappier pick out of NY and Denver, IIRC.

Hopefully neither will be too amazing and we can get it in the low 20s.
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Post#1364 » by Noonskadoodle » Thu May 9, 2013 5:09 pm

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Post#1365 » by TheMagicOne » Thu May 9, 2013 5:09 pm

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londoncollin wrote:Don't we have a second 2014 pick from the Dwight trade?


Whoever has the crappier pick out of NY and Denver, IIRC.

Hopefully neither will be too amazing and we can get it in the low 20s.

And regardless where it falls late in the draft it will be a decent pick up in the mold of the late pick ups like the Spurs ALWAYS do. Just go check out their late drafting history!!!

Another reason not to acquire more picks in 2013 & 2014 is if we stay as we are we will have 10 players on rookie contracts NOT including our second round pick from next year. Plus any Vets. Baring any trades, we already have a full roster of 15 players if you include our second round 2014 pick and our 4 vets under contracts for the 2014 season!!!
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Post#1366 » by UCFJayBird » Thu May 9, 2013 5:34 pm

If you're unsure about draft pick details and what Orlando owns in the coming seasons the roster page for realgm has a good breakdown.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/ ... 21/Rosters

just scroll down to the future draft pick selection.
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Post#1367 » by mityamag » Thu May 9, 2013 5:42 pm

I'm not sure there will be a Disney World parade down the streets of Orlando if the Magic win the No. 1 pick. According to sources, Orlando had its heart set on Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart until he broke its heart when he decided to stay in college. While the Magic need just about everything, point guard might be their biggest area of need. So, does Orlando roll the dice on Trey Burke or do they go after Noel, who gives the Magic something else they desperately need (shot blocking)? The Magic were tied for 24th in the league in blocked shots and could use an athlete in the paint next to Nikola Vucevic. While there will be a solid argument for Burke here, high-ceiling players like Noel are hard to come by.


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Post#1368 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu May 9, 2013 5:46 pm

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While there will be a solid argument for Burke here, Injury-Prone players like Noel are Easy to come by.




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Post#1369 » by cedric76 » Thu May 9, 2013 6:28 pm

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Post#1370 » by LC_Magic » Thu May 9, 2013 8:33 pm

It makes you wonder with Marcus Smart right? The question is, where does he fall in the 2014 draft? I think if Rob goes for Noel or Mclemore he will try to get in at the top end of the 2014 draft AND get Smart if he is out of the top 10, anyone got any opinion on where he would stand in 2014?
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Post#1371 » by LC_Magic » Thu May 9, 2013 8:34 pm

Sorry, just checked Draft express and draft.net and they have him at 3 and 4, is that realistic to you guys?
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Post#1372 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu May 9, 2013 8:38 pm

LC_Magic wrote:It makes you wonder with Marcus Smart right? The question is, where does he fall in the 2014 draft? I think if Rob goes for Noel or Mclemore he will try to get in at the top end of the 2014 draft AND get Smart if he is out of the top 10, anyone got any opinion on where he would stand in 2014?


After the Magic make the playoffs, they will be drafting around 16-20 so I doubt Smart will drop that far. Sorry -BMP
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Post#1373 » by LC_Magic » Thu May 9, 2013 8:39 pm

Magic make the playoffs, are you serious bro?
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Post#1374 » by TheMagicOne » Thu May 9, 2013 8:40 pm

LC_Magic wrote:Sorry, just checked Draft express and draft.net and they have him at 3 and 4, is that realistic to you guys?

Given the hype surrounding this incoming freshman class, Smart will have a very very hard time increasing his draft stock. He would have been a top 3 pick this year. Hard to not fall a few spots, unless he takes it up honest season. H worst part is he could have a bad year and have his stock plummet like that of the USC quarterback who was also a smarty pants thinking going b ack to school was the right move. Now how he looks like the biggest idiot in the room.
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Post#1375 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu May 9, 2013 8:48 pm

TheMagicOne wrote:
LC_Magic wrote:Sorry, just checked Draft express and draft.net and they have him at 3 and 4, is that realistic to you guys?

Given the hype surrounding this incoming freshman class, Smart will have a very very hard time increasing his draft stock. He would have been a top 3 pick this year. Hard to not fall a few spots, unless he takes it up honest season. H worst part is he could have a bad year and have his stock plummet like that of the USC quarterback who was also a smarty pants thinking going b ack to school was the right move. Now how he looks like the biggest idiot in the room.

Yeah totally...Going back to school is for idiots, yeah :roll:
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Post#1376 » by TheMagicOne » Thu May 9, 2013 8:48 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
LC_Magic wrote:It makes you wonder with Marcus Smart right? The question is, where does he fall in the 2014 draft? I think if Rob goes for Noel or Mclemore he will try to get in at the top end of the 2014 draft AND get Smart if he is out of the top 10, anyone got any opinion on where he would stand in 2014?


After the Magic make the playoffs, they will be drafting around 16-20 so I doubt Smart will drop that far. Sorry -BMP

I am a homer Magic fan too, but if the Magic are not in the lottery next year and high, then the season was an epic fail and I do not care how great anyone of our current young players become. You do not go this far with dismantling a team, looking toward that crop of talent in 2014 both from a draft a free agent perspective, only to change course.

The are no moral victories here and I do not want to be a team like the Milwaukee Bucks.

The thing that turned the Thunder around was the development of two top flight players in Westbrook and Durant. Harden was just icing on the cake. If you assume we already have one of Those players in Harris, Harkless or Vuc, we still need one m ore can't miss perennial All Star.

No matter who we draft this year, we will be needing that final piece from next years draft before we can truly want to be the playoffs.

IMO unless we sign a couple top free agents in 2014" we are probably looking at the lottery for the next two years. Next year because we will tank and the following year because we will be fighting to get in the playoffs and learning how to with owe tough games.

Which if we manage our cap correctly, it puts us as the young hot team around 2015/2016 and be a very nice place for a Kevin Durant to want to play. (Assuming we wiff on the free agents next summer, because after next summer it will be two more years until the next good wave of free agents hit.)
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Post#1377 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu May 9, 2013 8:54 pm

TheMagicOne wrote:
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After the Magic make the playoffs, they will be drafting around 16-20 so I doubt Smart will drop that far. Sorry -BMP

I am a homer Magic fan too, but if the Magic are not in the lottery next year and high, then the season was an epic fail and I do not care how great anyone of our current young players become. You do not go this far with dismantling a team, looking toward that crop of talent in 2014 both from a draft a free agent perspective, only to change course.

The are no moral victories here and I do not want to be a team like the Milwaukee Bucks.

The thing that turned the Thunder around was the development of two top flight players in Westbrook and Durant. Harden was just icing on the cake. If you assume we already have one of Those players in Harris, Harkless or Vuc, we still need one m ore can't miss perennial All Star.

No matter who we draft this year, we will be needing that final piece from next years draft before we can truly want to be the playoffs.

IMO unless we sign a couple top free agents in 2014" we are probably looking at the lottery for the next two years. Next year because we will tank and the following year because we will be fighting to get in the playoffs and learning how to with owe tough games.

Which if we manage our cap correctly, it puts us as the young hot team around 2015/2016 and be a very nice place for a Kevin Durant to want to play. (Assuming we wiff on the free agents next summer, because after next summer it will be two more years until the next good wave of free agents hit.)


I am sorry, but you are wrong.

Magic may have enough money next summer for up to (2) Max Free Agents or a max player plus solid role players. Adding solid players to an already playoff roster is a very quick rebuild.

Much better than playing the Lotto and hoping to land a star player.
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Post#1378 » by tranjSAIC » Thu May 9, 2013 8:57 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
LC_Magic wrote:It makes you wonder with Marcus Smart right? The question is, where does he fall in the 2014 draft? I think if Rob goes for Noel or Mclemore he will try to get in at the top end of the 2014 draft AND get Smart if he is out of the top 10, anyone got any opinion on where he would stand in 2014?


After the Magic make the playoffs, they will be drafting around 16-20 so I doubt Smart will drop that far. Sorry -BMP

You really want the Magic to make the playoffs next year?
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Post#1379 » by tranjSAIC » Thu May 9, 2013 8:59 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
TheMagicOne wrote:
LC_Magic wrote:Sorry, just checked Draft express and draft.net and they have him at 3 and 4, is that realistic to you guys?

Given the hype surrounding this incoming freshman class, Smart will have a very very hard time increasing his draft stock. He would have been a top 3 pick this year. Hard to not fall a few spots, unless he takes it up honest season. H worst part is he could have a bad year and have his stock plummet like that of the USC quarterback who was also a smarty pants thinking going b ack to school was the right move. Now how he looks like the biggest idiot in the room.

Yeah totally...Going back to school is for idiots, yeah :roll:

It is if your a athlete, they have a limited time as an athlete might as well make all they can now, and go back to school during the off season.
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Post#1380 » by TheMagicOne » Thu May 9, 2013 9:02 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
TheMagicOne wrote:
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After the Magic make the playoffs, they will be drafting around 16-20 so I doubt Smart will drop that far. Sorry -BMP

I am a homer Magic fan too, but if the Magic are not in the lottery next year and high, then the season was an epic fail and I do not care how great anyone of our current young players become. You do not go this far with dismantling a team, looking toward that crop of talent in 2014 both from a draft a free agent perspective, only to change course.

The are no moral victories here and I do not want to be a team like the Milwaukee Bucks.

The thing that turned the Thunder around was the development of two top flight players in Westbrook and Durant. Harden was just icing on the cake. If you assume we already have one of Those players in Harris, Harkless or Vuc, we still need one m ore can't miss perennial All Star.

No matter who we draft this year, we will be needing that final piece from next years draft before we can truly want to be the playoffs.

IMO unless we sign a couple top free agents in 2014" we are probably looking at the lottery for the next two years. Next year because we will tank and the following year because we will be fighting to get in the playoffs and learning how to with owe tough games.

Which if we manage our cap correctly, it puts us as the young hot team around 2015/2016 and be a very nice place for a Kevin Durant to want to play. (Assuming we wiff on the free agents next summer, because after next summer it will be two more years until the next good wave of free agents hit.)


I am sorry, but you are wrong.

Magic may have enough money next summer for up to (2) Max Free Agents or a max player plus solid role players. Adding solid players to an already playoff roster is a very quick rebuild.

Much better than playing the Lotto and hoping to land a star player.
i don't even want to admit this, but I am going to look myself in the mirror as a Magic fan and speak the truth...

Do you actually think we have any shot at a top free agent in 2014 no matter how good we play given what this franchise went through so recently with Dwight?

Sure I know Rob is running the show, but we are still the Magic, a team that has now lost 3 "IN THEIR PRIME" Top 3 players in Shaq, TMAC & Howard. That. Stain/scar cannot be removed in a matter of two years. If Rob accomplishes that, I will personally start a fundraising campaign to erect a gold statue in honor of him outside the Amway Center.

Do I want it to happen? Sure, but I am just being realistic... I would rather us go with the best odds. And if we are following the blueprint of one Sam Presti, we will not be signing ANY. Top free agents, but maybe trading for our last needed piece (i.e. Perkins) with the stock piled talent we have over the next two years.

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