Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[bigmoe1952]

The Rockets attempted to acquire either Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum, but they were unwilling to give up as much via trade as has been previously reported.

Houston was only offering two first round picks, though one would have come from the Raptors and has protections to make it more likely to be a lottery selection.

Many had assumed the Rockets were also offering all three first round picks from 2012, but only Jeremy Lamb had been formally made available.

Houston would only offer two players from a group that included Marcus Morris, Patrick Patterson, Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, Royce White and Donatas Motiejunas.

The Rockets also offered cap relief, but never the type that the Magic sought.

"I enjoyed working with Rob on a potential deal," Daryl Morey told SI.com via text message. "He went with what was best for Orlando and over time people will see that he has made a good decision. He has a plan for Orlando and he has proved his ability to execute a plan to make franchises great from his time in San Antonio and Oklahoma City."

Via Sam Amick/Sports Illustrated


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[toquito]

not hard to figure out that the spurs dude and bmp are the same guy lol

[OrlandO]

not hard to figure out that the spurs dude and bmp are the same guy lol

I would not be surprised...

[OrlandO]

The Rockets attempted to acquire either Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum, but they were unwilling to give up as much via trade as has been previously reported.

Houston was only offering two first round picks, though one would have come from the Raptors and has protections to make it more likely to be a lottery selection.

Many had assumed the Rockets were also offering all three first round picks from 2012, but only Jeremy Lamb had been formally made available.

Houston would only offer two players from a group that included Marcus Morris, Patrick Patterson, Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, Royce White and Donatas Motiejunas.

The Rockets also offered cap relief, but never the type that the Magic sought.

"I enjoyed working with Rob on a potential deal," Daryl Morey told SI.com via text message. "He went with what was best for Orlando and over time people will see that he has made a good decision. He has a plan for Orlando and he has proved his ability to execute a plan to make franchises great from his time in San Antonio and Oklahoma City."

Via Sam Amick/Sports Illustrated


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z23f0ny64s

You forgot the part where Lamb was taken off the table..

But sources close to the Magic said Lamb was the only such prospect offered, and that he was off the table by the time the talks involved the Lakers and Lamb had impressed at the Las Vegas summer league in July (he averaged 20 points in five games). Meanwhile, unwanted players like Gary Forbes, Jon Brockman and Marcus Morris were made available (along with shooting guard Kevin Martin, whose expiring $12.9 million contract was a must to make the money work).

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... z23f43iVFn

[Noonskadoodle]

so for the GM's here....Starting from today our roster as is.....who would you try to trade? who would you cut? how would you shape the team? would you try to get rid of all the vets and get picks or young talent to maximize the suck? or would you keep some Vets in like a mentor role?

I'm keeping Ish, Afflalo, Harkless, Nicholson, Vucevic, & O'Quinn.

Everyone else can be traded for picks/expirings.

I just hope Henny uses that TPE to acquire a lottery pick.

Henny claims we have all this "flexibility" so let's see what he does with it.

[OrlandoMajinBuu]

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[magicman123]

kevin martin, jeremy lamb, Donatas Motiejunas, 3 1st round picks and maybe a filler to make salaries match wasnt that bad of a deal

[Optimus_Steel]

The manuvering that Rob did to get that tremendously large TPE is pretty impressive. It shows that he does have a plan, in contrast to what the critics say.

[Swiftraven]

kevin martin, jeremy lamb, Donatas Motiejunas, 3 1st round picks and maybe a filler to make salaries match wasnt that bad of a deal

Sure, but that deal was never offered, just various parts of it at different times.

[Optimus_Steel]

The manuvering that Rob did to get that tremendously large TPE is pretty impressive. It shows that he does have a plan, in contrast to what the critics say.

[magicman123]

kevin martin, jeremy lamb, Donatas Motiejunas, 3 1st round picks and maybe a filler to make salaries match wasnt that bad of a deal

Sure, but that deal was never offered, just various parts of it at different times.

it has been reported that 2 prospects and 2 (or 3)picks were on the table, martin had to be including salary wise, but we kept waiting and they slowly took players off the list

[ChildishGambino]

kevin martin, jeremy lamb, Donatas Motiejunas, 3 1st round picks and maybe a filler to make salaries match wasnt that bad of a deal

Sure, but that deal was never offered, just various parts of it at different times.

it has been reported that martin, 2 prospects and 2 picks were on the table, but we kept waiting and they slowly took players off the list

key word there

[magicman123]

so for the GM's here....Starting from today our roster as is.....who would you try to trade? who would you cut? how would you shape the team? would you try to get rid of all the vets and get picks or young talent to maximize the suck? or would you keep some Vets in like a mentor role?

keep nicholson, harkless, redick, and vucevic

everyone else on the trade table, at some point think about getting rid of harper, mcroberts, eyenga, and maybe oquinn

[OrlandoMajinBuu]

Latest Denton take is up:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/dentons-a ... -15_081512

Keep: Nicholson, O'Quinn, Harkless, and Ish.

[Bensational]

From the SI article:

Hennigan spent about 20 nights per month for nine months out of the year on the road scouting for Oklahoma City.

The way his basketball mind is wired doesn't hurt, either, at a time when NBA teams are valuing player efficiency more than ever. As a 6-5 guard at Emerson, Hennigan once scored a career-high 47 points while having his hands on the ball for a combined three minutes during a game against Suffolk University.
"He very rarely put the ball to the floor," said Smith, his Emerson coach. "His big thing was reading screens, coming off curls, pull-up jump shots, threes in transition. He had maybe the most efficient game that I've witnessed. He was phenomenal. There were so many games where he'd have 29 points on 10 shots, 26 points on 11 shots. It was on and on. His efficiency was amazing."

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It is a great article. And those who loved the trade can pick a lot of great things from it. But if you're going to be honest, you also have to realize what else the article said:

He was not the guy behind any of the great draft picks by either team...

Hennigan did not have a single defining moment like Presti, who is credited with making an internal push to draft a French point guard named Tony Parker with the 28th pick in 2001. Hennigan's legacy in San Antonio was much more subtle.

Also- doesn't seem like Rob had much to do with drafting Westbrook, Harden, or Ibaka.

Those were the golden days of Presti's ascent, with both the general manager and Weaver receiving well-deserved credit for drafting Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka and James Harden as part of the Thunder's methodical rise. Hennigan had a respected voice in his own right with the team -- "He had input along with the rest of the guys in our front office into each decision that we made," Presti said -- but he made his biggest mark by feeding and helping form the scouting department through countless trips around the globe.

That was a really nice way of saying: "We made those picks, but Rob's a really hard worker."

I'm not bashing Rob by saying this. He obviously learned the model of how to plan for the future via his time in SA and OKC - but all the people calling him a draft genius may have given him a little more credit than he deserved.

Sometimes having proximity to greatness is misconstrued as greatness. I really hope that's not the case here.

if Hennigan was the one providing the information for Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, then I'd say his input was pretty key to it all. Presti may have made the final call, and Hennigan may not have made that same decision had he been in power, but he would have given Presti all he needed to know to make that call. and given the Thunder's success, I'd say Hennigan would have learned something from that experience, whether or not it confirms his decision on who was a good pick from that pool, and why.

that article referenced the appeal in Afflalo that I saw. the value he's putting out for the value he's being paid is a healthy balance. if we keep going down that road, then i like where this team is heading.

[MasterGMer]

It can be used no matter if you are over or under. The only difference is that if you are under the cap, its value goes against your cap no matter if you have used any of it on a player or not.
You can always renounce the TPE and it would then come off the cap if you are below the cap and want the space back for whatever reason.

Plus, Eric was slow on this. I posted a link to how this was done days ago I believe.

Can you repost the link? I am sort of confused with what you said. Can you explain further?

Sure MasterGMer, which part are you confused on?




I had posted the 4 different deals that had to go down to get the 17.8 million TPE.
Are you confused on that or about using the TPE itself?

How to use it this year?

[Swiftraven]

kevin martin, jeremy lamb, Donatas Motiejunas, 3 1st round picks and maybe a filler to make salaries match wasnt that bad of a deal

Sure, but that deal was never offered, just various parts of it at different times.

it has been reported that 2 prospects and 2 (or 3)picks were on the table, martin had to be including salary wise, but we kept waiting and they slowly took players off the list

Those reports were wrong according to the Magic.

"But sources close to the Magic said Lamb was the only such prospect offered, and that he was off the table by the time the talks involved the Lakers and Lamb had impressed at the Las Vegas summer league in July (he averaged 20 points in five games). Meanwhile, unwanted players like Gary Forbes, Jon Brockman and Marcus Morris were made available (along with shooting guard Kevin Martin, whose expiring $12.9 million contract was a must to make the money work)."

They offered Lamb and ONLY Lamb to start then after his big summer league showing they pulled him off the table. Lamb would have made it work I think, but the magic didnt want 2 of their other offered guys.

[Swiftraven]

It can be used no matter if you are over or under. The only difference is that if you are under the cap, its value goes against your cap no matter if you have used any of it on a player or not.
You can always renounce the TPE and it would then come off the cap if you are below the cap and want the space back for whatever reason.

Plus, Eric was slow on this. I posted a link to how this was done days ago I believe.

Can you repost the link? I am sort of confused with what you said. Can you explain further?

How to use it this year?

So if we are above the cap we can use it to take on salary without sending anyone out. The Magic (all my opinion of course) would want to take on someones expiring deal along with picks or prospects from a team desperate to get under the cap or to clear space for another player. I dont see us taking on a "star" with it as that defeats the current plan.

If we are below the cap then that tpe counts against the cap just like a player salary would (this is the same for all exceptions such as mid level, bi-annual, etc).

If there is a FA we want to sign and do not have the space under the cap because of the TPE and other exceptions, we can renounce the TPE and clear the cap space (no way I see that happening).

Our best hope is to help other teams facilitate a deal where they need the cap space to complete the transaction. We would of course demand picks, prospects, etc to provide our cap space for this.

Should be interesting to see what we do with it, if anything. It provides us a ton of flexibility for the next year as there are so many ways it can be used if so desired.

[MasterGMer]

It can be used no matter if you are over or under. The only difference is that if you are under the cap, its value goes against your cap no matter if you have used any of it on a player or not.
You can always renounce the TPE and it would then come off the cap if you are below the cap and want the space back for whatever reason.

Plus, Eric was slow on this. I posted a link to how this was done days ago I believe.

How to use it this year?

So if we are above the cap we can use it to take on salary without sending anyone out. The Magic (all my opinion of course) would want to take on someones expiring deal along with picks or prospects from a team desperate to get under the cap or to clear space for another player. I dont see us taking on a "star" with it as that defeats the current plan.

If we are below the cap then that tpe counts against the cap just like a player salary would (this is the same for all exceptions such as mid level, bi-annual, etc).

If there is a FA we want to sign and do not have the space under the cap because of the TPE and other exceptions, we can renounce the TPE and clear the cap space (no way I see that happening).

Our best hope is to help other teams facilitate a deal where they need the cap space to complete the transaction. We would of course demand picks, prospects, etc to provide our cap space for this.

Should be interesting to see what we do with it, if anything. It provides us a ton of flexibility for the next year as there are so many ways it can be used if so desired.

Thank you! Truly an interesting year for us. Time to jump on the Ish-bandwagon.

[TDJacksonville]

i would keep Nicholson, O'quinn, Harkless, Vucevic for sure. all others could be had depending wat is offered.

id take almost anything for Turk and Harrington(id take a Basketball for the pair).
id try to trade Mcroberts for a 1st round pick(dont matter where in the draft).
id try to trade JJ for a 1st round pick as well(some team will want a 7 million expiring contract).
if a team offered a Lottery 1st for BBD, id probably would take the offer and run.
id trade Nelson for a 1st round pick of 2 2nd round picks.
id trade some of those late 1st round picks to a team for a Big deal player whos on a short term contract and is on a bad team(i think the Bobcats would be perfect and you get Ben Gordon and an uprotected 1st).