Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

[ogmagicfan]

3 team deal:

ORL: Barton + Harris + Bol + NAW + NOP 21 1st (top 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon + Dozier + DEN FRP
DEN: Fournier + Bledsoe

Denver swap some unhappy and underperforming pieces for some playoff tested veterans. New Orleans get relocate talent and clear some of the log jam in the backcourt. Orlando get two pieces who are at worst expiring after next season, plus 3 solid youth pieces to add.

I feel like NO is the most likely lottery team to trade their 1st round pick. They still have the Lakers 1st rounder. I don’t know if Denver trading their 1st rounder or Bol Bol being involved because I feel like Denver might be giving up a lil too much.

If anything the Magic should try to move their 2nd rounder & Khem Birch to the Nuggets for their first (essentially moving up 6-10 spots) and leave Bol Bol out. I don’t see the point of continuing to have the glut at the PF/C position on this team and don’t understand getting Bol Bol if we don’t move Bamba. There isn’t enough PT to go around and we’ll hurt the value of one of them if we want to move them.

Nuggets are in win now mode and Bledsoe would give them a great defender at the guard and Fournier an elite spot up shooter. Maximizing the possessions the ball is in Murray, MPJ, & Jokic who should be creating the offense the majority of the time.

So

Magic out: Gordon, Fournier, Birch, 2nd Rounder
Magic in: Barton, Harris, NAW, Pelicans 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected), Nuggets 1st

Pelicans out: NAW, Bledsoe, 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected, Top 2 protected next year, Unprotected following)
Pelicans in: Gordon, Dozier

Nuggets out: Barton, Harris, Dozier, 1st Rounder
Nuggets in: Fournier, Bledsoe, Birch, Magic 2nd Rounder

[VFX]

3 team deal:

ORL: Barton + Harris + Bol + NAW + NOP 21 1st (top 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon + Dozier + DEN FRP
DEN: Fournier + Bledsoe

Denver swap some unhappy and underperforming pieces for some playoff tested veterans. New Orleans get relocate talent and clear some of the log jam in the backcourt. Orlando get two pieces who are at worst expiring after next season, plus 3 solid youth pieces to add.

I feel like NO is the most likely lottery team to trade their 1st round pick. They still have the Lakers 1st rounder. I don’t know if Denver trading their 1st rounder or Bol Bol being involved because I feel like Denver might be giving up a lil too much.

If anything the Magic should try to move their 2nd rounder & Khem Birch to the Nuggets for their first (essentially moving up 6-10 spots) and leave Bol Bol out. I don’t see the point of continuing to have the glut at the PF/C position on this team and don’t understand getting Bol Bol if we don’t move Bamba. There isn’t enough PT to go around and we’ll hurt the value of one of them if we want to move them.

Nuggets are in win now mode and Bledsoe would give them a great defender at the guard and Fournier an elite spot up shooter. Maximizing the possessions the ball is in Murray, MPJ, & Jokic who should be creating the offense the majority of the time.

So

Magic out: Gordon, Fournier, Birch, 2nd Rounder
Magic in: Barton, Harris, NAW, Pelicans 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected), Nuggets 1st

Pelicans out: NAW, Bledsoe, 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected, Top 2 protected next year, Unprotected following)
Pelicans in: Gordon, Dozier

Nuggets out: Barton, Harris, Dozier, 1st Rounder
Nuggets in: Fournier, Bledsoe, Birch, Magic 2nd Rounder

Nuggets get screwed.

Fournier is a rental and Bledsoe is overpaid for what he provides.

[skywalker33]

3 team deal:

ORL: Barton + Harris + Bol + NAW + NOP 21 1st (top 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon + Dozier + DEN FRP
DEN: Fournier + Bledsoe

Denver swap some unhappy and underperforming pieces for some playoff tested veterans. New Orleans get relocate talent and clear some of the log jam in the backcourt. Orlando get two pieces who are at worst expiring after next season, plus 3 solid youth pieces to add.

Closer if you take out the DEN 1st since we'd be taking on an extra year of Bledsoe salary and he isn't playing that well anyway. Might even just prefer to remove Bledsoe and keep Dozier (who's playing better than Bledsoe IMO), Even then not thrilled about Fournier either given how good Barton is playing. Definitely great for ORL though

[ogmagicfan]

3 team deal:

ORL: Barton + Harris + Bol + NAW + NOP 21 1st (top 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon + Dozier + DEN FRP
DEN: Fournier + Bledsoe

Denver swap some unhappy and underperforming pieces for some playoff tested veterans. New Orleans get relocate talent and clear some of the log jam in the backcourt. Orlando get two pieces who are at worst expiring after next season, plus 3 solid youth pieces to add.

I feel like NO is the most likely lottery team to trade their 1st round pick. They still have the Lakers 1st rounder. I don’t know if Denver trading their 1st rounder or Bol Bol being involved because I feel like Denver might be giving up a lil too much.

If anything the Magic should try to move their 2nd rounder & Khem Birch to the Nuggets for their first (essentially moving up 6-10 spots) and leave Bol Bol out. I don’t see the point of continuing to have the glut at the PF/C position on this team and don’t understand getting Bol Bol if we don’t move Bamba. There isn’t enough PT to go around and we’ll hurt the value of one of them if we want to move them.

Nuggets are in win now mode and Bledsoe would give them a great defender at the guard and Fournier an elite spot up shooter. Maximizing the possessions the ball is in Murray, MPJ, & Jokic who should be creating the offense the majority of the time.

So

Magic out: Gordon, Fournier, Birch, 2nd Rounder
Magic in: Barton, Harris, NAW, Pelicans 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected), Nuggets 1st

Pelicans out: NAW, Bledsoe, 1st Rounder (Top 4 protected, Top 2 protected next year, Unprotected following)
Pelicans in: Gordon, Dozier

Nuggets out: Barton, Harris, Dozier, 1st Rounder
Nuggets in: Fournier, Bledsoe, Birch, Magic 2nd Rounder

Nuggets get screwed.

Fournier is a rental and Bledsoe is overpaid for what he provides.

Fournier would I presume want to resign and I don’t think his asking price would be too high. Around $15 mil. Just above MLE.

The Nuggets are dumping Harris who is paid near the same amount and provides less on both sides of the ball. He’s a 32% 3 point shooter and has been struggling mightly defensively. It’s an upgrade.

Bledsoe is shooting 38% from 3, 40% last year, I don’t doubt he’s regressing but in a reserve role he should be able to give them alot still and take be their prime perimeter defender.

I would like to do Pelicans & Magic and not involving the Nuggets, but it’s difficult to match up contracts.

Magic out: Gordon, Fournier
Magic In: NAW, Bledsoe, Pelicans 1st Protected, Cavs 2nd Rounder

Pelicans out: NAW, Bledsoe, Pelicans 1st Protected, Cavs 2021 2nd Rounder
Pelicans in: Gordon, Fournier

The most important framework of the trade, just need a team to dump some contracts on us which is where the Nuggets come in.

[Bensational]

Ok, try this:

ORL: NAW + Green + Finney + J.Johnson + NOP 2021 FRP (top 4 protected)

NOP: Gordon + Richardson + WCS

DAL: Fournier + Bledsoe + JJ

Or something like that. Would be great to get Lonzo from NOP, but if they're dealing Bledsoe they'll be keeping Lonzo.

[jvalin]

Celtics fan here. According to Chris Mannix of SI, the Magic are interested in Rubio and Kemba.

Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

He also reports that the Celtics will likely ''pursue Barnes right up until the deadline''.

To sum up:
- Gordon, Fournier are available
- the Magic like Kemba
- the Celtics like Barnes

Would you guys do this trade?

[The Real Dalic]

Celtics fan here. According to Chris Mannix of SI, the Magic are interested in Rubio and Kemba.

Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

He also reports that the Celtics will likely ''pursue Barnes right up until the deadline''.

To sum up:
- Gordon, Fournier are available
- the Magic like Kemba
- the Celtics like Barnes

Would you guys do this trade?

Not me. No point in trading all 3 of AG, Fournier, and Bamba for a player possibly on the decline. Especially while we're trying to lose anyway.

Most of us want young players and/or picks for our players to help set us up for the future. I personally wouldn't mind helping the Celtics out since I actually like them. But not at the cost of our team.

[GelbeWand09]

Celtics fan here. According to Chris Mannix of SI, the Magic are interested in Rubio and Kemba.

Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

He also reports that the Celtics will likely ''pursue Barnes right up until the deadline''.

To sum up:
- Gordon, Fournier are available
- the Magic like Kemba
- the Celtics like Barnes

Would you guys do this trade?

Personally i woudnt take Kemba for free, if we had the capspace. He looks cooked for me & is probably soon one of the worst contracts in the leaque.
I mean he is a small guard, without elite passing, medioce to good shooting, bad defense, relying on speed, turning 31 soon, with increasing injury problems, on a big contract. Thats not the player type aging well.

But i woudnt be surprised if we trade for him anyway

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[OrlChamps2030]

Celtics fan here. According to Chris Mannix of SI, the Magic are interested in Rubio and Kemba.

Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

He also reports that the Celtics will likely ''pursue Barnes right up until the deadline''.

To sum up:
- Gordon, Fournier are available
- the Magic like Kemba
- the Celtics like Barnes

Would you guys do this trade?

Trading 2 decent starters in Gordon and Fournier (who still have a lot of prime years left) for a declining tiny 30 year old PG.. I don’t think many fans on here are going to want this trade. Most here prefer a rebuild or some kind of soft reset.

Sadly though this seems like exact type of trade our FO would go for.

Cade come save us

[fklt]

I may be alone in this but if you remove bamba from there I pretty much like it.

giving two of our vets who have their foot on the door already away, for a player who is better than either of them and under contract for 3 years makes sense to me tbh.

[MagicFan101]

Orlando needs young prospects, draft picks and / or cap space.

Kemba Walker is the last thing we need.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If Fournier is on this team past deadline the FO is pushing for playoffs. There’s 0 reason to keep him and I’d take 2 2nd’s if that’s the best we get. Also be interested in moving Birch for whatever.

Commit to the youth movement for 1/2 a season please.

[fklt]

Orlando needs young prospects, draft picks and / or cap space.

Kemba Walker is the last thing we need.

nah, we have enough young guys and upside on the team actually. we have all of our picks and this season's especially bound to be pretty good. our vets on the other hand have been pretty underwhelming.

[GelbeWand09]

I may be alone in this but if you remove bamba from there I pretty much like it.

giving two of our vets who have their foot on the door already away, for a player who is better than either of them and under contract for 3 years makes sense to me tbh.

Under contract for $34,379,100, $36,016,200 & $37,653,300. I dont consider this a good thing, for a player who was at best Bostons 4th best player in last years PO's (only because Hayward was injured most the time) & who seems to declining rapidly (nothing surprising for his player typer)

If you are in the No.1 priority is to max out Vuc's last 2-3 prime years camp, yea this trade maybe makes some sense. He would still be much better than Fultz & brings more spacing, while his contract end's with Vuc's. But in this case we should have traded for Paul.

[fklt]

Under contract for $34,379,100, $36,016,200 & $37,653,300. I dont consider this a good thing, for a player who was at best Bostons 4th best player in last years PO's (only because Hayward was injured most the time) & who seems to declining rapidly (nothing surprising for his player typer)

If you are in the No.1 priority is to max out Vuc's last 2-3 prime years camp, yea this trade maybe makes some sense. He would still be much better than Fultz & brings more spacing, while his contract end's with Vuc's. But in this case we should have traded for Paul.

yeah, there's a conversation to be had there but I think the rapid decline is overly exeggarated. his advanced metrics look pretty similar, although his role seems to be diminished a little. I don't think he'll ever be an impossible to unload contract unless a career derailing injury happens.

I think young guys need stability and proper vets with good habits to develop. kemba fits the bill in my opinion.

[MagicFan101]

Under contract for $34,379,100, $36,016,200 & $37,653,300. I dont consider this a good thing, for a player who was at best Bostons 4th best player in last years PO's (only because Hayward was injured most the time) & who seems to declining rapidly (nothing surprising for his player typer)

If you are in the No.1 priority is to max out Vuc's last 2-3 prime years camp, yea this trade maybe makes some sense. He would still be much better than Fultz & brings more spacing, while his contract end's with Vuc's. But in this case we should have traded for Paul.

yeah, there's a conversation to be had there but I think the rapid decline is overly exeggarated. his advanced metrics look pretty similar, although his role seems to be diminished a little. I don't think he'll ever be an impossible to unload contract unless a career derailing injury happens.

I think young guys need stability and proper vets with good habits to develop. kemba fits the bill in my opinion.

Vuc adds vet leadership and stability.

You can fill out your roster with guys like MCW and others on MLE size deals.

You don’t need to give away our assets for a declining dude making $35M+ for years to come.

[cedric76]

Celtics fan here. According to Chris Mannix of SI, the Magic are interested in Rubio and Kemba.

Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

He also reports that the Celtics will likely ''pursue Barnes right up until the deadline''.

To sum up:
- Gordon, Fournier are available
- the Magic like Kemba
- the Celtics like Barnes

Would you guys do this trade?

Hell no

[The Effect]

Why on earth would anyone ever want kemba??
What has he ever won in his career?
He's currently on a team with tatum and brown and better role players than he would have here and still hasn't done anything, what would he do here?
He couldn't win with those 2 yet he's gonna come here and win with vuc and..... Okeke?

Sorry but kemba is seriously one of the 2-3 worst players we could trade for, especially if we give up ag\fournier\mo

[MagicFan101]

Imagine if Minny gets AG and somehow lands the #1 pick.

Russell
Cade
Edwards
AG
Towns

... if the coach can manage the talent they are going somewhere