Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[jezzerinho]

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I feel like you've been promoting this weird theory that we're sitting out guys on purpose despite us losing when we had Cole and Suggs regardless. Fultz and Isaac are off ACL injuries (Isaac hurting his same knee twice). There is no reason to hold out rookies and 2nd year players in the first third of the season when 70% of the league is under COVID protocols and we're forcing guys into 35+ minutes a night because we have three rotational players. We've always erred on the side of being really cautious with injuries but nothing in the timeline makes sense to do any of that.

OKC did it on the back half of the season benching Horford/SGA iffy injury because they were winning way too many games with them.

Most of the long term injuries on the Magic seem legit. Sure, the vets will start seeing more healthy scratches during the back half of the season but we expected that. But you'd be surprised on some of these other teams that have had major injuries to some players and they also take very long to come back/having setbacks. Jaren Jackson (before this season), TJ Warren, Zion, Porzingis took 18 months for his ACL.

There's no grand theory to bench young guys so we can lose games in December despite already losing games.

Let's cross our fingers there are more people like you in the Commissioner's office!

[basketballRob]

Is this your trade thread? If so I wanted to know what the general trade value is considered for Ross. A late first if you take on longer money or a couple of seconds if same length?

They aren't going to take on longer money for Ross unless it's for a better player. Late firsts and second-rounders don't have a lot of value with this front office. We've sold that type of picks and punted them for later years.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I feel like you've been promoting this weird theory that we're sitting out guys on purpose despite us losing when we had Cole and Suggs regardless. Fultz and Isaac are off ACL injuries (Isaac hurting his same knee twice). There is no reason to hold out rookies and 2nd year players in the first third of the season when 70% of the league is under COVID protocols and we're forcing guys into 35+ minutes a night because we have three rotational players. We've always erred on the side of being really cautious with injuries but nothing in the timeline makes sense to do any of that.

OKC did it on the back half of the season benching Horford/SGA iffy injury because they were winning way too many games with them.

Most of the long term injuries on the Magic seem legit. Sure, the vets will start seeing more healthy scratches during the back half of the season but we expected that. But you'd be surprised on some of these other teams that have had major injuries to some players and they also take very long to come back/having setbacks. Jaren Jackson (before this season), TJ Warren, Zion, Porzingis took 18 months for his ACL.

There's no grand theory to bench young guys so we can lose games in December despite already losing games.

Ok, let's look at the injuries, and keep in mind we're not even at the halfway point of the season:

Anthony -- Already missed 14 games and counting. That is a lot of games to miss for a sprained ankle, especially for a 21-year-old. Is it legit? I don't know, maybe it is. But it's a lot.

Suggs -- Already missed 17 games and counting. Obviously this is a real injury and I think he's still within the predicted recovery timetable. But let's wait and see how long they hold him out. My prediction is that this will linger.

Bamba -- Already missed 9 games. For a guy who previously had COVID that is a long time in COVID protocols, especially if he is vaccinated.

Okeke -- Already missed 11 games and counting. First a bruised hip, which seemed to be a protracted recovery time, then COVID protocols. Who knows.

Moore -- Already missed 38 games and counting with a "strained knee". This injury occurred right before the opening game and must have been much more serious than anyone let on.

Carter-Williams -- Already missed 38 games and counting. He had ankle surgery in the offseason and we knew he'd be out to start the season, but predictions were early to mid-December return.

Fultz -- Already missed 38 games and counting. It's been about a year since his ACL tear so he's still within the recovery timetable, although near the end of it for a pro athlete. He's been practicing for more than a month. We'll see.

Isaac -- Already missed 38 games and counting. I know several posters on the board believe the reason Isaac is being held out is for tanking purposes, so if it's a weird conspiracy theory then a lot of people believe it. It has been more than 17 months since his injury. I actually don't think Isaac is a tanking scratch. I think he re-injured the knee or they detected something structurally that concerned them. But the longer the Magic stay quiet on the subject the more fans are free to speculate.

When a team is that far off the charts with injuries, I don't think it can all be attributed to bad luck. This data would cause any investigator worth his salt to dig a little deeper into what is going on with the Magic. This is not to say they are faking all these injuries. But is there any question they are holding players out longer than necessary?

[basketballRob]

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I feel like you've been promoting this weird theory that we're sitting out guys on purpose despite us losing when we had Cole and Suggs regardless. Fultz and Isaac are off ACL injuries (Isaac hurting his same knee twice). There is no reason to hold out rookies and 2nd year players in the first third of the season when 70% of the league is under COVID protocols and we're forcing guys into 35+ minutes a night because we have three rotational players. We've always erred on the side of being really cautious with injuries but nothing in the timeline makes sense to do any of that.

OKC did it on the back half of the season benching Horford/SGA iffy injury because they were winning way too many games with them.

Most of the long term injuries on the Magic seem legit. Sure, the vets will start seeing more healthy scratches during the back half of the season but we expected that. But you'd be surprised on some of these other teams that have had major injuries to some players and they also take very long to come back/having setbacks. Jaren Jackson (before this season), TJ Warren, Zion, Porzingis took 18 months for his ACL.

There's no grand theory to bench young guys so we can lose games in December despite already losing games.

Ok, let's look at the injuries, and keep in mind we're not even at the halfway point of the season:

Anthony -- Already missed 14 games and counting. That is a lot of games to miss for a sprained ankle, especially for a 21-year-old. Is it legit? I don't know, maybe it is. But it's a lot.

Suggs -- Already missed 17 games and counting. Obviously this is a real injury and I think he's still within the predicted recovery timetable. But let's wait and see how long they hold him out. My prediction is that this will linger.

Bamba -- Already missed 9 games. For a guy who previously had COVID that is a long time in COVID protocols, especially if he is vaccinated.

Okeke -- Already missed 11 games and counting. First a bruised hip, which seemed to be a protracted recovery time, then COVID protocols. Who knows.

Moore -- Already missed 38 games and counting with a "strained knee". This injury occurred right before the opening game and must have been much more serious than anyone let on.

Carter-Williams -- Already missed 38 games and counting. He had ankle surgery in the offseason and we knew he'd be out to start the season, but predictions were early to mid-December return.

Fultz -- Already missed 38 games and counting. It's been about a year since his ACL tear so he's still within the recovery timetable, although near the end of it for a pro athlete. He's been practicing for more than a month. We'll see.

Isaac -- Already missed 38 games and counting. I know several posters on the board believe the reason Isaac is being held out is for tanking purposes, so if it's a weird conspiracy theory then a lot of people believe it. It has been more than 17 months since his injury. I actually don't think Isaac is a tanking scratch. I think he re-injured the knee or they detected something structurally that concerned them. But the longer the Magic stay quiet on the subject the more fans are free to speculate.

When a team is that far off the charts with injuries, I don't think it can all be attributed to bad luck. This data would cause any investigator worth his salt to dig a little deeper into what is going on with the Magic. This is not to say they are faking all these injuries. But is there any question they are holding players out longer than necessary?

We aren't playing for anything this season, so they're going to make sure the injured players are 200% before they play them.

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[Larry_Russell]

Does this get you guys to trade?

Horford (non guaranteed-14.5 mill next season)
Schroder (EXP)
Juancho (EXP
Romeo
Nesmith

for

Ross
Harris
Bamba

[Xatticus]

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I feel like you've been promoting this weird theory that we're sitting out guys on purpose despite us losing when we had Cole and Suggs regardless. Fultz and Isaac are off ACL injuries (Isaac hurting his same knee twice). There is no reason to hold out rookies and 2nd year players in the first third of the season when 70% of the league is under COVID protocols and we're forcing guys into 35+ minutes a night because we have three rotational players. We've always erred on the side of being really cautious with injuries but nothing in the timeline makes sense to do any of that.

OKC did it on the back half of the season benching Horford/SGA iffy injury because they were winning way too many games with them.

Most of the long term injuries on the Magic seem legit. Sure, the vets will start seeing more healthy scratches during the back half of the season but we expected that. But you'd be surprised on some of these other teams that have had major injuries to some players and they also take very long to come back/having setbacks. Jaren Jackson (before this season), TJ Warren, Zion, Porzingis took 18 months for his ACL.

There's no grand theory to bench young guys so we can lose games in December despite already losing games.

Ok, let's look at the injuries, and keep in mind we're not even at the halfway point of the season:

Anthony -- Already missed 14 games and counting. That is a lot of games to miss for a sprained ankle, especially for a 21-year-old. Is it legit? I don't know, maybe it is. But it's a lot.

Suggs -- Already missed 17 games and counting. Obviously this is a real injury and I think he's still within the predicted recovery timetable. But let's wait and see how long they hold him out. My prediction is that this will linger.

Bamba -- Already missed 9 games. For a guy who previously had COVID that is a long time in COVID protocols, especially if he is vaccinated.

Okeke -- Already missed 11 games and counting. First a bruised hip, which seemed to be a protracted recovery time, then COVID protocols. Who knows.

Moore -- Already missed 38 games and counting with a "strained knee". This injury occurred right before the opening game and must have been much more serious than anyone let on.

Carter-Williams -- Already missed 38 games and counting. He had ankle surgery in the offseason and we knew he'd be out to start the season, but predictions were early to mid-December return.

Fultz -- Already missed 38 games and counting. It's been about a year since his ACL tear so he's still within the recovery timetable, although near the end of it for a pro athlete. He's been practicing for more than a month. We'll see.

Isaac -- Already missed 38 games and counting. I know several posters on the board believe the reason Isaac is being held out is for tanking purposes, so if it's a weird conspiracy theory then a lot of people believe it. It has been more than 17 months since his injury. I actually don't think Isaac is a tanking scratch. I think he re-injured the knee or they detected something structurally that concerned them. But the longer the Magic stay quiet on the subject the more fans are free to speculate.

When a team is that far off the charts with injuries, I don't think it can all be attributed to bad luck. This data would cause any investigator worth his salt to dig a little deeper into what is going on with the Magic. This is not to say they are faking all these injuries. But is there any question they are holding players out longer than necessary?

I don't think there is much question that we are very conservative when dealing with injuries. I'd like to hear some explanation as to why MCW waited so long to have his surgery. I suspect they let players make those decisions and players probably don't want to to turn to surgery until they have to, which is how Aminu somehow managed to turn a torn meniscus into a de facto career-ending injury.

Where you lose me is when you assert that we are holding guys out to enhance the tank. I just don't buy that. We need to develop the guys we have. We need them on the floor for that to happen. I don't see this team reeling off a bunch of wins just because we get a couple guys back. This draft class isn't strong enough to forsake a year of development.

[Xatticus]

Is this your trade thread? If so I wanted to know what the general trade value is considered for Ross. A late first if you take on longer money or a couple of seconds if same length?

You have Derrick Rose, Alec Burks, and Immanuel Quickley and you want to add Terrence Ross?

Do we need to schedule an intervention?

[drsd]

Does this get you guys to trade?

Horford (non guaranteed-14.5 mill next season)
Schroder (EXP)
Juancho (EXP
Romeo
Nesmith

for

Ross
Harris
Bamba

For this trade to make sense, Orlando would have to believe there is growth still to be found in both Romeo and Nesmith. The rest of this would be about cap-space for Orlando.

In conclusion, I do not think this is the sort of trade management images for Ross and/or Bamba. Harris is traceable for anything at this point though, as his existence will lead to some wins. And winning is no longer the point to the rest of the season's games; developing the players is.


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[yoyojw17]

Does this get you guys to trade?

Horford (non guaranteed-14.5 mill next season)
Schroder (EXP)
Juancho (EXP
Romeo
Nesmith

for

Ross
Harris
Bamba

For this trade to make sense, Orlando would have to believe there is growth still to be found in both Romeo and Nesmith. The rest of this would be about cap-space for Orlando.

In conclusion, I do not think this is the sort of trade management images for Ross and/or Bamba. Harris is traceable for anything at this point though, as his existence will lead to some wins. And winning is no longer the point to the rest of the season's games; developing the players is.


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I would love to get my hand on Nesmith

Expiring and Nesmith for Ross... Count me in. Annnnnd low key.... I actually wouldn't mind holding onto Harris if he could be resigned at a decent price.

[Skybox]

Does this get you guys to trade?

Horford (non guaranteed-14.5 mill next season)
Schroder (EXP)
Juancho (EXP
Romeo
Nesmith

for

Ross
Harris
Bamba

For this trade to make sense, Orlando would have to believe there is growth still to be found in both Romeo and Nesmith. The rest of this would be about cap-space for Orlando.

In conclusion, I do not think this is the sort of trade management images for Ross and/or Bamba. Harris is traceable for anything at this point though, as his existence will lead to some wins. And winning is no longer the point to the rest of the season's games; developing the players is.


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I would love to get my hand on Nesmith

Expiring and Nesmith for Ross... Count me in. Annnnnd low key.... I actually wouldn't mind holding onto Harris if he could be resigned at a decent price.

Agree on Nesmith...but not the rest of that deal. Not sure if they have an expiring that works...if it's Schroeder, I don't even want him stopping by. Juancho has another year I think.

[Larry_Russell]

For this trade to make sense, Orlando would have to believe there is growth still to be found in both Romeo and Nesmith. The rest of this would be about cap-space for Orlando.

In conclusion, I do not think this is the sort of trade management images for Ross and/or Bamba. Harris is traceable for anything at this point though, as his existence will lead to some wins. And winning is no longer the point to the rest of the season's games; developing the players is.


..

I would love to get my hand on Nesmith

Expiring and Nesmith for Ross... Count me in. Annnnnd low key.... I actually wouldn't mind holding onto Harris if he could be resigned at a decent price.

Agree on Nesmith...but not the rest of that deal. Not sure if they have an expiring that works...if it's Schroeder, I don't even want him stopping by. Juancho has another year I think.

Juancho is 100% non guaranteed

[drsd]

Orlando has played 8 more road games than home games. There are wins coming in the future simply from the easing schedule.

[pepe1991]

I don't know what's wrong with Nesmith. i really liked him before draft but it seems like he is incapable of producing anything in nba.
Maybe he is awful, maybe he needs change of team & leadership to get himself going.

Anyway, i would not pay much for him. Same could be said for Payton Prichard, last year he was very good, this year he is awful.

[Skybox]

I don't know what's wrong with Nesmith. i really liked him before draft but it seems like he is incapable of producing anything in nba.
Maybe he is awful, maybe he needs change of team & leadership to get himself going.

Anyway, i would not pay much for him. Same could be said for Payton Prichard, last year he was very good, this year he is awful.

Understand...I've heard he's very popular, works his butt off, plays hard - I always have a hard time accepting a guy just "lost his previous skill". Often, a college stud can't adjust to the size, speed, strength of NBA players- but I don't know what the deal with Nesmith is... I would do TRoss for Nesmith & Juancho(who I just read is expiring). His size and (alleged) 3pt shooting are worth another shot.

[Larry_Russell]

I don't know what's wrong with Nesmith. i really liked him before draft but it seems like he is incapable of producing anything in nba.
Maybe he is awful, maybe he needs change of team & leadership to get himself going.

Anyway, i would not pay much for him. Same could be said for Payton Prichard, last year he was very good, this year he is awful.

Understand...I've heard he's very popular, works his butt off, plays hard - I always have a hard time accepting a guy just "lost his previous skill". Often, a college stud can't adjust to the size, speed, strength of NBA players- but I don't know what the deal with Nesmith is... I would do TRoss for Nesmith & Juancho(who I just read is expiring). His size and (alleged) 3pt shooting are worth another shot.

Want to know what the problem is with Nesmith, really?

Its Ime.

Ime plays starters 40 minutes a game and does NOTHING to develop youngsters. He thinks completely short term and trying to give himself the best shot at looking good.

Nesmith get no constant time, and he finds himself trying to prove his worth every second he does get out there. As a result he has gotten into the "tries to do to much" camp.

If our team had any sort of offensive system that was not just Tatum and Brown Iso, might actually see someone like Nesmith getting opportunities to spot up in the corner for some drive and kicks.

On the rare occasion it does happen, his shot is literally in and out. He showed last year and in pre-season/summer league that he can be a Old Man Ray allen type of player.

[Audi]

Looking at the below, the Magic sucks because none of its players on the court are playing. Whereas Detroit and OKC is simply bad.

Read on Twitter

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I suppose embarrassing is one way to look at it. I tend to see it more as seizing an extremely rare opportunity. These covid protocols are providing a perfect front for protecting our off-the-charts tank job. With so many teams missing key players due to protocols, a healthy Magic roster could have strung together quite a few against these 10-days and g-leaguers, sabotaging our lottery odds. I could absolutely be wrong here, but I think management is looking to deal our pick and it’s simply easier to negotiate with a first rounder when you are the worst team in the league. Top 3 in the draft are uninspiring to us because none of them come close to filling a real need here, but someone is going to see value there.

[zaymon]

Looking at the below, the Magic sucks because none of its players on the court are playing. Whereas Detroit and OKC is simply bad.

Read on Twitter

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I suppose embarrassing is one way to look at it. I tend to see it more as seizing an extremely rare opportunity. These covid protocols are providing a perfect front for protecting our off-the-charts tank job. With so many teams missing key players due to protocols, a healthy Magic roster could have strung together quite a few against these 10-days and g-leaguers, sabotaging our lottery odds. I could absolutely be wrong here, but I think management is looking to deal our pick and it’s simply easier to negotiate with a first rounder when you are the worst team in the league. Top 3 in the draft are uninspiring to us because none of them come close to filling a real need here, but someone is going to see value there.

Deal for who ? I dont see any glaring candidate. Draft is not blowing me away but Holmgren could be perfect insurance policy for Isaac health, and also would give us some monster lineups options.

[The Effect]

This is really embarrassing, and belies the argument that all bad teams hold out healthy players to increase their chances of losing in the same manner as the Magic. This is off-the-charts tanking -- literally, look at the chart.

What this shows more than anything is that Weltman has so little confidence in his ability to build a winning team that he is willing to go to any extreme to increase his chance of a good player falling into his lap. And he's not wrong -- he's been here 5 years and the roster is a pile of garbage. So as fans we have to watch a G-League team and continue to post threads with titles like "When is Isaac returning", "When is Suggs returning", "When is Fultz returning", and watch Cole Anthony with his "injured ankle" do cartwheels and back-flips on the bench.

The worst part is the projected top 3 in the draft are about as uninspiring as we've seen in years.

I suppose embarrassing is one way to look at it. I tend to see it more as seizing an extremely rare opportunity. These covid protocols are providing a perfect front for protecting our off-the-charts tank job. With so many teams missing key players due to protocols, a healthy Magic roster could have strung together quite a few against these 10-days and g-leaguers, sabotaging our lottery odds. I could absolutely be wrong here, but I think management is looking to deal our pick and it’s simply easier to negotiate with a first rounder when you are the worst team in the league. Top 3 in the draft are uninspiring to us because none of them come close to filling a real need here, but someone is going to see value there.

Deal for who ? I dont see any glaring candidate. Draft is not blowing me away but Holmgren could be perfect insurance policy for Isaac health, and also would give us some monster lineups options.

I hate to say it, and no im not advocating for it, but the big one to me is Ben Simmons
Fits most the attributes we looks for

Young
wingspan
positionless
elite defense
High upside
**Cant shoot** (i kid i kid )

I could see a situation WeHam being intrigued by a deal that looks something like

Ben Simmons
76ers 1st rounder

For
T-Ross
Garry Harris
our unprotected 1st rounder

Funny part is, the contracts even out perfectly in that deal, Ross (12.5m), Harris (20m) for Simmons (33m)

Also, isnt he the best type of player to include in a lineup with a Cole and Suggs backcourt? He could essentially be the point-forward and let those guys focus on scoring
Not to mention a front court defense of Simmons and wagner with any competent C would be one of the best in the league

Again, not pushing for this deal, but just one that i could see WeHam being interested in

[MasterGMer]

I suppose embarrassing is one way to look at it. I tend to see it more as seizing an extremely rare opportunity. These covid protocols are providing a perfect front for protecting our off-the-charts tank job. With so many teams missing key players due to protocols, a healthy Magic roster could have strung together quite a few against these 10-days and g-leaguers, sabotaging our lottery odds. I could absolutely be wrong here, but I think management is looking to deal our pick and it’s simply easier to negotiate with a first rounder when you are the worst team in the league. Top 3 in the draft are uninspiring to us because none of them come close to filling a real need here, but someone is going to see value there.

Deal for who ? I dont see any glaring candidate. Draft is not blowing me away but Holmgren could be perfect insurance policy for Isaac health, and also would give us some monster lineups options.

I hate to say it, and no im not advocating for it, but the big one to me is Ben Simmons
Fits most the attributes we looks for

Young
wingspan
positionless
elite defense
High upside
**Cant shoot** (i kid i kid )

I could see a situation WeHam being intrigued by a deal that looks something like

Ben Simmons
76ers 1st rounder

For
T-Ross
Garry Harris
our unprotected 1st rounder

Funny part is, the contracts even out perfectly in that deal, Ross (12.5m), Harris (20m) for Simmons (33m)

Also, isnt he the best type of player to include in a lineup with a Cole and Suggs backcourt? He could essentially be the point-forward and let those guys focus on scoring
Not to mention a front court defense of Simmons and wagner with any competent C would be one of the best in the league

Again, not pushing for this deal, but just one that i could see WeHam being interested in

I like Ben Simmons also. But 76ers want a star in return and Harris plus Ross won't be that.

Ben Simmons' defense is elite. If we can pair him with Isaac, our defense will be sick.

But I don't see us being a possible destination for Morey, 76ers' GM

[The Effect]

Deal for who ? I dont see any glaring candidate. Draft is not blowing me away but Holmgren could be perfect insurance policy for Isaac health, and also would give us some monster lineups options.

I hate to say it, and no im not advocating for it, but the big one to me is Ben Simmons
Fits most the attributes we looks for

Young
wingspan
positionless
elite defense
High upside
**Cant shoot** (i kid i kid )

I could see a situation WeHam being intrigued by a deal that looks something like

Ben Simmons
76ers 1st rounder

For
T-Ross
Garry Harris
our unprotected 1st rounder

Funny part is, the contracts even out perfectly in that deal, Ross (12.5m), Harris (20m) for Simmons (33m)

Also, isnt he the best type of player to include in a lineup with a Cole and Suggs backcourt? He could essentially be the point-forward and let those guys focus on scoring
Not to mention a front court defense of Simmons and wagner with any competent C would be one of the best in the league

Again, not pushing for this deal, but just one that i could see WeHam being interested in

I like Ben Simmons also. But 76ers want a star in return and Harris plus Ross won't be that.

Ben Simmons' defense is elite. If we can pair him with Isaac, our defense will be sick.

But I don't see us being a possible destination for Morey, 76ers' GM

Youre right, Harris and Ross are def no stars, but those 2 plus potentially the #1 pick in the draft, even a weak draft, might be the closest they come to a star in return

I mean say the best offers you get are that one or one centered around CJ McCullum, which would you prefer? I can see some people saying the CJ deal, but that gets you a 30 year old who has always been a good mid-tier star who makes 33m a year, whereas my offer would include 2 expiring contracts, one of which is 20m expiring (the other they try to re-sign) and also a 18-20 year old on a rookie contract who is under team control for quite a long time

yeah, both deals have pros\cons, but i think we were interested in Simmons, we could definitely put a deal together that would intrigue the 6ers