Trade for Aaron Affalo ?

[James Gatz]

Ooohh, I got a good guess. You do mean college careers right? Anybody would be a fool to think he could match what he did against Alcorn State and Providence to what he could do against the Miami Heat or even the lowly Magic.

Here's my guess. How about that one guy, Adam Morrison. Ever hear of him?

Hate to get involved but Morrison's efficiency was never near that level.

Freshmen: 53% 30 3PT%

Sophomore: 50% 31 3PT%

Junior: 49% 42 3PT%


Career numbers:

19.7 ppg 50% 37 3PT%

You aren't suggesting McD's numbers were that good his entire COLLEGE career either are you?

Career numbers for McD were 21.7 PPG

What do you mean? McDermott averaged 55% fg and 46% 3pt over his entire college career. You can see his full stats here http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/doug-mcdermott-1.html.

My only point was to say comparing McDermott to Morrison is a lazy comparison. Outside of both being taller white wings they are quite different. "McD" never shot below 40% from 3pt where as Morrison only had one season where he shot above that. McDermott will always have an elite skill that will keep him in the league.

For the record, I'm not even a big proponent of drafting McDermott with our pick but felt he shouldn't be criticized as the second coming of Adam Morrison

[Liver_Pooty]

You want a quality 29 year old starting SG but only want to give up trash though? We could, you know, keep him...

Please do.

Then get the **** off our board, lol

[InFlames]

Don't want anything from Charlotte.

[Skin]

We've been down this road and it doesn't end well.

I think CHI, BOS or OKC might be better fits for AA. CHA is a team in NBA abyss right now. Expensive vets, mediocre young talent. No real chance at winning a championship or building a legitimate competitor. Good enough for 1st round playoff exits in sweeping fashion and not bad enough to get a good draft pick. They're the one team that thinks they are better than they are right now because while everyone else tanked to aim for a high pick this year, CHA thought they were doing something good by winning. They are the joke of the NBA right now. It's not being mean, it's just the truth. Look how they draft. Cho makes no difference. He was supposed to bring his analytics but he brought nothing. He has no MKG and Zeller were awful picks. They could've drafted McLemore and wouldn't be talking about trying to get AA. They could've drafted Noel who would've been a better compliment to Al Jefferson who doesn't play any defense in the post. But they took the short armed bandit. Now they're tossing him as a throw in for trade offers and nobody wants him. Go figure. They have no vision as a team and as a fan base. They come here looking for a vet and then a few posts later say they don't want a vet. Typical reflection of their franchise. Lost.

Oh come on man Why so much hate in one single post?... Don't be so frustrated...

Expensive vets, mediocre young talent.

Oh yeah... We pay an All-star caliber Center, that is consider as one of the best post player in the league 13,5M/Y ...The next most payed player is Gerald Henderson at 6M/Y who will most probably be moved this summer.

Regarding our young core... I won't judge you since you probably never saw one of our games, but It would be unfair to say that Kemba-MKG-Zeller-Biyombo are "mediocre".

You also probably estimated our young players' talent based on data sheet ( ), and you're not being able to see what they really bring on the court. That's normal, the same way I won't be able to estimate the true value of your young talents.

Good enough for 1st round playoff exits in sweeping fashion and not bad enough to get a good draft pick

Yeah.. .Maybe, you got that part correct, however... We got to play in the playoffs, and got our young players some short but good experience. AND our no-difference-maker Cho guy still managed to get us a top 10 pick in a loaded draft. (With a bit of luck I have to admit).

To sum-up the situation of the "abysmal" Hornets, we have the opportunity to draft a very good SG with a possible bright future in the league....
AND 20M$ to spend in the free agency, (which is a lot I think right?)

Basically, we have space to grow and develop with our young core and next draftees, we have money to make a big move in next year's free agency. We are not the joke of the league anymore.

And just to say, I came here to ask what was the value you were giving to Afflalo, since you are clearly in a rebuilding process, with Oladipo and probably Exum next year. Afflalo was maybe not in your future plan, and I was just wondering if we could get him cheap, and maybe involving a future first round pick.
I did not came here to value the performance of your franchise, so don't do so with mine.

Thanks.

It ain't even hate though. It's pointing to the facts. I'm glad you are happy with your team but you should be the one frustrated. I'm definitely not frustrated about you coming here to ask what AA would cost you. I'm just saying it was silly to think you could get him for cheap as if there was no other competition for his services. Fans do that though and I get it. They just don't think things through for other teams when they are only thinking about their team.

Good luck with Cho. He might be a wizard with numbers, but that is also his weakness as he has shown no instincts for the judging talent. If everything is based off numbers and projections and you don't trust or have good instincts then you will continue to draft mediocre talent or worse even... busts. MKG was a terrible pick with hindsight. Zeller was a terrible pick even at that moment in time. There's no justification for it considering what you passed up. It's already factual. It's not unfair to call them mediocre. If you're best argument for them is admitting they have bad numbers, but bring unmeasurables to the court then that is sad bro.

Good luck with Gary Harris. LOL

[Showbiz Bear]

I am sorry but isnt this site called realgm? You dont want us gauging value of trades and players what do you want us to do? Because we have to bend to your every whim *sarcasm

I don't see any REAL GMs on here, so all this conjecture between fans is pointless. None of these deals would ever happen, I guarantee it. But have fun, kiddos.

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i dont even know where to begin we are gonna tal about what we want to talk abut sorry if that offends you i dont know why your on this board

If this thread is any indicator, discussions like this just make you all look like idiots.

And it's "you're".

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[MagicFan32]

9 for Afflalo in this draft would be a horrible trade. Whoever we draft at 9 will be better than Afflalo is right now within 2-3 years and then for 10 yrs going forward. No need to be hostile

sup breh
go look at the last few drafts, and see how many good players you find after the 9th pick, and then compare that to the bust/low impact ratio

remember emeka and bismack? two guys you used much higher picks on? how'd that turn out? how was tyler zellers rookie season?

[BadMofoPimp]

Maybe, if he threw in McBob, then we should consider . . .

[Nyce_1]

Charlotte Observer reporter....

@rick_bonnell: Not saying this will happen... But don't be shocked if the Hornets turn one of those first-round picks into a veteran. Makes sense.

@rick_bonnell: @AJwright33 You overthink. Wing scorer with 3-point accuracy.

Name a vet wing score with 3-point accuracy that's available and a better fit than Afflalo.

[Liver_Pooty]

Charlotte Observer reporter....

@rick_bonnell: Not saying this will happen... But don't be shocked if the Hornets turn one of those first-round picks into a veteran. Makes sense.

@rick_bonnell: @AJwright33 You overthink. Wing scorer with 3-point accuracy.

Name a vet wing score with 3-point accuracy that's available and a better fit than Afflalo.

Anything that Rick Bonnell says I would take with a grain of salt. He is the worst beat writer in the league. Just a heads up on that.

[Liver_Pooty]

9 for Afflalo in this draft would be a horrible trade. Whoever we draft at 9 will be better than Afflalo is right now within 2-3 years and then for 10 yrs going forward. No need to be hostile

sup breh
go look at the last few drafts, and see how many good players you find after the 9th pick, and then compare that to the bust/low impact ratio

remember emeka and bismack? two guys you used much higher picks on? how'd that turn out? how was tyler zellers rookie season?

Okafor was just fine. I could care less about Biyombo, we didn't draft Tyler Zeller.

[tiderulz]

Charlotte Observer reporter....

@rick_bonnell: Not saying this will happen... But don't be shocked if the Hornets turn one of those first-round picks into a veteran. Makes sense.

@rick_bonnell: @AJwright33 You overthink. Wing scorer with 3-point accuracy.

Name a vet wing score with 3-point accuracy that's available and a better fit than Afflalo.

Anything that Rick Bonnell says I would take with a grain of salt. He is the worst beat writer in the league. Just a heads up on that.

we see you and raise you Ping

[Orlwillbeback]

afflalo is a perfect fit for you but we would have to ask for kemba back. Then you can take your point guard with your pick

none of this would happen of course.

[Bensational]

The whole point of this aside was to point out that there are players in the draft that could at least potentially post stats at some point in their careers that are similar to Afflalo's this season - that doesn't really seem very controversial to me.

Sure, but how much certainty do you place in 'potential'? On average, how many players from 9 or after develop into a 20ppg guy on high efficiency? What's the frequency of those guys?

So it really comes down to how much you're prepared to gamble at this point in your rebuild, and how much of a sure thing you want. And if the guys you're considering don't necessarily project to eclipse AAs numbers, why take the gamble on someone matching him when you can just have him?

McDermott had an amazing college career, but he has some major obstacles to overcome in the pros. He's a tweener with below average measurements. What I do like about him is that he seems to have that JJ Redick attitude that he'll figure it out come hell or high water. He'll move well off the ball and he'll work hard to master team defense.

Stauskas could be the next Klay/JJ, or he could be the next Kyle Korver/Matt Harpring. LaVine could be Monta, or he could be Von Wafer. AA is... AA.

[James Gatz]

The whole point of this aside was to point out that there are players in the draft that could at least potentially post stats at some point in their careers that are similar to Afflalo's this season - that doesn't really seem very controversial to me.

Sure, but how much certainty do you place in 'potential'? On average, how many players from 9 or after develop into a 20ppg guy on high efficiency? What's the frequency of those guys?

Afflalo wouldn't be putting up 20 ppg on any team that would be competing in the playoffs. Though if you look at the last 5 years the number 9 pick has been quite a good place to pick up talent.

09: DeRozan
10: Hayward
11: Kemba
12: Drummond
13: Trey Burke

Still like Afflalo's fit. Though the only trade I could see happening is 12 + Afflalo for 9 + Hendo or Neal.

[Kytu]

Maybe you guys don't know our GM. We got Tobias Harris for JJ Redick, what do you think he will get for AA?

[sportscrazy]

Maybe you guys don't know our GM. We got Tobias Harris for JJ Redick, what do you think he will get for AA?

IMO in right in between where Afflalo lovers have his value and Afflalo haters have his value, not sure what this translates into in terms of draft picks or players though.

Does this work in that middle range?

Orlando Magic receive:
Iman Shumpert
Courtney Lee
Unprotected 2015 Memphis Grizzlies First Round Draft Pick
2017 Top 20 Protected Memphis Grizzlies First Round Draft Pick

Memphis Grizzlies receive:
Arron Afflalo
Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni

New York Knicks receive:
Tayshaun Prince

Grizzlies maximize an expiring contract's value and get Shumpert to send with Courtney Lee and two future first round draft picks, one of which is unprotected for a team in a tough Western Conference, to Orlando for Afflalo. That seems like a middle ground trade that all sides would walk away happy from after the dust settled.

[Radu_Hornets]

9 for Afflalo in this draft would be a horrible trade. Whoever we draft at 9 will be better than Afflalo is right now within 2-3 years and then for 10 yrs going forward. No need to be hostile

sup breh
go look at the last few drafts, and see how many good players you find after the 9th pick, and then compare that to the bust/low impact ratio

remember emeka and bismack? two guys you used much higher picks on? how'd that turn out? how was tyler zellers rookie season?

We actually don't really know. You better ask the Cleveland Fan Base

[Bensational]

The whole point of this aside was to point out that there are players in the draft that could at least potentially post stats at some point in their careers that are similar to Afflalo's this season - that doesn't really seem very controversial to me.

Sure, but how much certainty do you place in 'potential'? On average, how many players from 9 or after develop into a 20ppg guy on high efficiency? What's the frequency of those guys?

Afflalo wouldn't be putting up 20 ppg on any team that would be competing in the playoffs. Though if you look at the last 5 years the number 9 pick has been quite a good place to pick up talent.

09: DeRozan
10: Hayward
11: Kemba
12: Drummond
13: Trey Burke

Still like Afflalo's fit. Though the only trade I could see happening is 12 + Afflalo for 9 + Hendo or Neal.

I agree with all that. And I wasn't trying to devalue the #9 pick, otherwise if I really thought it wasn't worth it, I wouldn't consider dealing AA for it. You can find superstars at the 9 spot.

In your position, AA is the perfect fit and compliment to a Jefferson and Kemba core, and he'd be good for 15 to 20 on any given night.

In the end, I reckon you guys should keep the pick and pray for Stauskas. He's just as good of a fit as AA would be.

[Big A All Day]

We've been down this road and it doesn't end well.

I think CHI, BOS or OKC might be better fits for AA. CHA is a team in NBA abyss right now. Expensive vets, mediocre young talent. No real chance at winning a championship or building a legitimate competitor. Good enough for 1st round playoff exits in sweeping fashion and not bad enough to get a good draft pick. They're the one team that thinks they are better than they are right now because while everyone else tanked to aim for a high pick this year, CHA thought they were doing something good by winning. They are the joke of the NBA right now. It's not being mean, it's just the truth. Look how they draft. Cho makes no difference. He was supposed to bring his analytics but he brought nothing. He has no MKG and Zeller were awful picks. They could've drafted McLemore and wouldn't be talking about trying to get AA. They could've drafted Noel who would've been a better compliment to Al Jefferson who doesn't play any defense in the post. But they took the short armed bandit. Now they're tossing him as a throw in for trade offers and nobody wants him. Go figure. They have no vision as a team and as a fan base. They come here looking for a vet and then a few posts later say they don't want a vet. Typical reflection of their franchise. Lost.

PREAAACCCHHHH!!!

This thread is hilarious. It's basically like 1 of us going over to their board and starting a thread titled "trade for the #9 pick?", Them saying "sure, for tobias+pick #12" and in return to which we reply "sorry but that's not gonna happen. Best we can do for you is two 2nd's and any player not named Vuc, Vic, Harris or AA cuz that #9 pick sucks anyway." Lol.

Also there have been some decent players that have been drafted at #9 recently but the real question is when's the last time Charlotte has hit on a draft pick? If my team was missing on top selections like #2 and #4 I'd want to trade my pick for a proven player just so management wouldn't have a chance to blow another pick lol.

[Eoghan]

9 for Afflalo in this draft would be a horrible trade. Whoever we draft at 9 will be better than Afflalo is right now within 2-3 years and then for 10 yrs going forward. No need to be hostile

sup breh
go look at the last few drafts, and see how many good players you find after the 9th pick, and then compare that to the bust/low impact ratio

remember emeka and bismack? two guys you used much higher picks on? how'd that turn out? how was tyler zellers rookie season?

How is 7th much higher than 9th? Also, lol at Tyler Zeller.

I don't want to rankle any of y'all but I don't think Afflalo is worth the 9th pick in a pretty good draft, especially since AA can just bolt in a year.