THE Aaron Gordon thread

yoyojw17 · Post #141 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:32 pm

407Junkie wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
T-Cat wrote:Yes I agree! Those 2 turnovers were designed by play and he could have easily took the ball to the rack for an high percentage shot or pass.

He doesn't have any plays run for him, he's playing like a role player but guys like Harris and Oladipo can run ISO smh lol #NotFair

to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.
Only experience Oladipo and Harris have is taking this team to a whole lot of losing. Anybody on this team should have free reign to shoot and make plays. That's my problem with the coaches and gm, they're not developing the future for the sake or some garbage wins that they're still not achieving. Minnesota is starting Levine who is Gordon's age and Utah is starting Exum to get them more reps and experience to speed up the process. Not the Magic though.

I'll have to agree with you'll. There is not enough ball movement in our system. at least 10 sec of most plays are made with oladipo/elf pounding the ball into the hardwood. Leaving player like gordon and harkless just chilling in the corners waiting for a possible dish out. And if the ball goes to harris/vuc.... chances are it's going up in the air. There is not enough.... off the ball screens and player movement to engage other players into the game.

And as i said in a previous post.... sometime you gotta just throw them out there to see what they can or can't do.... and what they need to improve upon. Depending on the player.... they can solidify bad habits which would be horrible in the long run. But players/people like Gordon are students of the game and in the end analyze what they are doing wrong and try to make adjustments. You can see the changes made from going from summer league... preseason....regular season. His learning curve might be a little steeper than other.

I hope that they start making it a point to get the younger guys more reps!

tiderulz · Post #142 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:45 pm

407Junkie wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
T-Cat wrote:Yes I agree! Those 2 turnovers were designed by play and he could have easily took the ball to the rack for an high percentage shot or pass.

He doesn't have any plays run for him, he's playing like a role player but guys like Harris and Oladipo can run ISO smh lol #NotFair

to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.
Only experience Oladipo and Harris have is taking this team to a whole lot of losing. Anybody on this team should have free reign to shoot and make plays. That's my problem with the coaches and gm, they're not developing the future for the sake or some garbage wins that they're still not achieving. Minnesota is starting Levine who is Gordon's age and Utah is starting Exum to get them more reps and experience to speed up the process. Not the Magic though.

and Exum has gotten worse since the season started, his confidence is shaky at best. Look at Elf, he didnt start and gradually got better and is now starting. Tired of seeing that just because someone was drafted high they should automatically start. especially if they havent shown the grasp of the skills yet

NBAchamps2017 · Post #143 » by **NBAchamps2017** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:59 am

OrlDave · Post #144 » by **OrlDave** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:59 pm

NBAchamps2017 wrote:First half of season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Badr5RvOo_8

So far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcx9_qk3oIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdIpKu866GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDGKwk9mK6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcMUCeMbvN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5y3AP5nCUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYstlfbiK5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYstlfbiK5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zE0nUjMeiA
Exum average in March 8pts 3ast 3reb.
THEN: Stockton to Malone
NOW: Exum to Gobert

8/3/3? Holy ****! That's Stockton for sure! Wait, your post was green text too right?

Litany · Post #145 » by **Litany** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:46 pm

tiderulz wrote:
407Junkie wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.
Only experience Oladipo and Harris have is taking this team to a whole lot of losing. Anybody on this team should have free reign to shoot and make plays. That's my problem with the coaches and gm, they're not developing the future for the sake or some garbage wins that they're still not achieving. Minnesota is starting Levine who is Gordon's age and Utah is starting Exum to get them more reps and experience to speed up the process. Not the Magic though.

and Exum has gotten worse since the season started, his confidence is shaky at best. Look at Elf, he didnt start and gradually got better and is now starting. Tired of seeing that just because someone was drafted high they should automatically start. especially if they havent shown the grasp of the skills yet

Before the draft took place, Aaron Gordon is the guy that I was thinking the Jazz would have a chance to take since I thought Exum would be gone.

I viewed him as a guy that could become a Marion on roids type of player. I hope that Orlando player dev and coaching make the best decisions in developing him because I think he can become real good. I just don't know if I was correct in pushing him towards becoming a SF or if you should have him work on becoming a post player and hope he can become your starting PF.

As far as Exum goes, I was excited when the Jazz got him. Jazz fans know they have to be patient with him (just as Orlando needs to be patient with AG). Exum progressed throughout the season at a moderate rate then hit the rookie wall like no other. He just seemed so lost and I was getting frustrated. He seemed to lack confidence and aggression.

Whats great is that Exum kept fighting and Snyder believed in him and he is pushing through that wall and has had a nice March. He is starting and is averaging 7.8 Pts 3.0 Ast 2.8 Reb on 45 FG% and 47 3-PT% in 28 mpg in March. The stats aren't huge, but they show growth from early in the season.

What I find most impressive right now though is his defense. He disrupts the best PG's in the league and with the Jazz doing all their switching, he isn't at a huge disadvantage because of his crazy length at the PG spot.

I'm convinced he will be elite level at defense and he has shown flashes on O to become really special there too. His speed is insane, he just needs to use it. His combo of size, speed and length are special.

While the people who don't watch a lot of Magic games might not see the progress that AG is making or see those flashes you guys do, you guys see them and will have a better picture than those who see him when their team plays against him.

Anyway, don't lose hope in Aaron Gordon (most haven't i can see). I just hope he gets developed right, because physically he is very gifted.

tooler · Post #146 » by **tooler** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:57 pm

I see a lot of similarities between the contributions (or lack thereof) Exum and Aaron have made this season. But since Exum had more hype, people are more critical of him. Aaron gets to develop in peace. I'm sure they'll both be fine.

orthoman · Post #147 » by **orthoman** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:16 pm

Harris and Gordon will be O.K. players, long term.....no star, just ordinary role players.
My 8 year old son wouldn't have made the huge blunder Hennigan did with signing worthless Frye.
We don't have any real stars on our team, we ****.
Ive been following these forums since Dwight...alot of hope, but nothing is really happening with our team.
I think we will be in the lottery another 4-6 years.

Post #148 » by **Bensational** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:16 pm

tiderulz wrote:
407Junkie wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.
Only experience Oladipo and Harris have is taking this team to a whole lot of losing. Anybody on this team should have free reign to shoot and make plays. That's my problem with the coaches and gm, they're not developing the future for the sake or some garbage wins that they're still not achieving. Minnesota is starting Levine who is Gordon's age and Utah is starting Exum to get them more reps and experience to speed up the process. Not the Magic though.

and Exum has gotten worse since the season started, his confidence is shaky at best. Look at Elf, he didnt start and gradually got better and is now starting. Tired of seeing that just because someone was drafted high they should automatically start. especially if they havent shown the grasp of the skills yet

it's not about the starts, it's the manner in which coaching is testing how capable our guys can be.

why was Dipo allowed to play a full season as a PG (out of position), and has carte blanche to try to figure out how to create and shoot consistently in the game, but Gordon needs to come in and play a role? why can't AG be given opportunities like that, just to see how he handles it? especially with games that don't mean a thing.

and the same can be said for Harris. damn i'd love to see how he could run a PnR with Vuc just to see if he's got more potential than just as a spot up shooter/cutter/occasional low post dump in guy.

Post #149 » by **Bensational** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:20 pm

Lattimer wrote:Before the draft took place, Aaron Gordon is the guy that I was thinking the Jazz would have a chance to take since I thought Exum would be gone.

I viewed him as a guy that could become a Marion on roids type of player. I hope that Orlando player dev and coaching make the best decisions in developing him because I think he can become real good. I just don't know if I was correct in pushing him towards becoming a SF or if you should have him work on becoming a post player and hope he can become your starting PF.

As far as Exum goes, I was excited when the Jazz got him. Jazz fans know they have to be patient with him (just as Orlando needs to be patient with AG). Exum progressed throughout the season at a moderate rate then hit the rookie wall like no other. He just seemed so lost and I was getting frustrated. He seemed to lack confidence and aggression.

Whats great is that Exum kept fighting and Snyder believed in him and he is pushing through that wall and has had a nice March. He is starting and is averaging 7.8 Pts 3.0 Ast 2.8 Reb on 45 FG% and 47 3-PT% in 28 mpg in March. The stats aren't huge, but they show growth from early in the season.

What I find most impressive right now though is his defense. He disrupts the best PG's in the league and with the Jazz doing all their switching, he isn't at a huge disadvantage because of his crazy length at the PG spot.

I'm convinced he will be elite level at defense and he has shown flashes on O to become really special there too. His speed is insane, he just needs to use it. His combo of size, speed and length are special.

i don't get to watch enough Jazz games, although they're one of the underdog teams i love to root for. i'm really impressed to hear Exum's defense is improving, because in all the scouting videos i saw of him he gave zero effort on that end.

i'm surprised at how hesitant he's been though. he's shown he's not scared to take control of the junior Australian teams, so i figured that level of confidence would carry over to the NBA, but he seems thoroughly overwhelmed. i'm with you, though, that in a couple of years he'll have it all figured out. he's still very young, and much younger than Payton, too, who's adapted far quicker.

in the end, i'm glad the Magic have Payton, and i don't think Exum could have gone to a more interesting team than Utah. but i do wonder how he would have progressed in LA with mentorship from Kobe. just look at the strides Clarkson has made with Nash tutoring him.

InFlames · Post #150 » by **InFlames** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:24 pm

Bensational wrote:
Lattimer wrote:Before the draft took place, Aaron Gordon is the guy that I was thinking the Jazz would have a chance to take since I thought Exum would be gone.

I viewed him as a guy that could become a Marion on roids type of player. I hope that Orlando player dev and coaching make the best decisions in developing him because I think he can become real good. I just don't know if I was correct in pushing him towards becoming a SF or if you should have him work on becoming a post player and hope he can become your starting PF.

As far as Exum goes, I was excited when the Jazz got him. Jazz fans know they have to be patient with him (just as Orlando needs to be patient with AG). Exum progressed throughout the season at a moderate rate then hit the rookie wall like no other. He just seemed so lost and I was getting frustrated. He seemed to lack confidence and aggression.

Whats great is that Exum kept fighting and Snyder believed in him and he is pushing through that wall and has had a nice March. He is starting and is averaging 7.8 Pts 3.0 Ast 2.8 Reb on 45 FG% and 47 3-PT% in 28 mpg in March. The stats aren't huge, but they show growth from early in the season.

What I find most impressive right now though is his defense. He disrupts the best PG's in the league and with the Jazz doing all their switching, he isn't at a huge disadvantage because of his crazy length at the PG spot.

I'm convinced he will be elite level at defense and he has shown flashes on O to become really special there too. His speed is insane, he just needs to use it. His combo of size, speed and length are special.

i don't get to watch enough Jazz games, although they're one of the underdog teams i love to root for. i'm really impressed to hear Exum's defense is improving, because in all the scouting videos i saw of him he gave zero effort on that end.

i'm surprised at how hesitant he's been though. he's shown he's not scared to take control of the junior Australian teams, so i figured that level of confidence would carry over to the NBA, but he seems thoroughly overwhelmed. i'm with you, though, that in a couple of years he'll have it all figured out. he's still very young, and much younger than Payton, too, who's adapted far quicker.

in the end, i'm glad the Magic have Payton, and i don't think Exum could have gone to a more interesting team than Utah. but i do wonder how he would have progressed in LA with mentorship from Kobe. just look at the strides Clarkson has made with Nash tutoring him.

Hes basically just a 3 pt shooter right now, he has no left hand so he cant really attack the rim in the NBA like he was known for. He needs to improve his handle.

MagicStarwipe · Post #151 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:28 pm

The amount of opportunity given to Exum this season by Utah compared to the amount we've given AG aren't even in the same stratosphere. And yet still AG has looked far more impressive.

Post #152 » by **Bensational** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:43 pm

InFlames wrote:
Bensational wrote:i don't get to watch enough Jazz games, although they're one of the underdog teams i love to root for. i'm really impressed to hear Exum's defense is improving, because in all the scouting videos i saw of him he gave zero effort on that end.

i'm surprised at how hesitant he's been though. he's shown he's not scared to take control of the junior Australian teams, so i figured that level of confidence would carry over to the NBA, but he seems thoroughly overwhelmed. i'm with you, though, that in a couple of years he'll have it all figured out. he's still very young, and much younger than Payton, too, who's adapted far quicker.

in the end, i'm glad the Magic have Payton, and i don't think Exum could have gone to a more interesting team than Utah. but i do wonder how he would have progressed in LA with mentorship from Kobe. just look at the strides Clarkson has made with Nash tutoring him.

Hes basically just a 3 pt shooter right now, he has no left hand so he cant really attack the rim in the NBA like he was known for. He needs to improve his handle.

that's an improvement at least, since he was never a good 3 point shooter before. or, not consistent at least. he looks like he's knocking them down fairly regularly these days.

as for his left hand, i think it's there, but he just doesn't have confidence. same with his right hand. with his hesitation dribbles he's shown he can blow by most guys in the league, but he's just not confident he can finish the drive. a solid offseason training with legit NBA caliber bigs will help him overcome that. he still needs a lot of work.

MagicStarwipe wrote:The amount of opportunity given to Exum this season by Utah compared to the amount we've given AG aren't even in the same stratosphere. And yet still AG has looked far more impressive.

as an Aussie, it's unfortunate that i agree. as a Magic fan, it's unfortunate that i agree (but overall still fortunate).

cedric76 · Post #153 » by **cedric76** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:36 pm

Since the ASB, Aaron Gordon has held opponents to 19.6% (!!!) below average on shots within 10 feet of the basket. Scary good.

TreasureCoast · Post #154 » by **TreasureCoast** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:12 pm

cedric76 wrote:Since the ASB, Aaron Gordon has held opponents to 19.6% (!!!) below average on shots within 10 feet of the basket. Scary good.

His defense is unfrickenbelievable, half the time I watch him contend shots the opposing player (if he doesn't bail out and pass) clanks it off the side of the back board. It's insane how good of a perimeter defender he is.

seeingstars · Post #155 » by **seeingstars** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:08 am

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/aaron-gor ... kie-season

Some great times ahead for our Magic and their defense. It is insane the impact this man has on the defensive end AND HES ONLY GONNA GET BETTER!!! Sky's the limit. I can't wait to see the defensive awards hell make in his career.

NEM · Post #156 » by **NEM** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:17 am

I wish we didn't have frye and nicholson, we could trade for a mid first round pick and draft frank the tank, after hopefully taking towns. A big man rotation of vucevic/towns/kaminsky/dedmon/gordon would be scary good

seeingstars · Post #157 » by **seeingstars** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:38 am

NEM wrote:I wish we didn't have frye and nicholson, we could trade for a mid first round pick and draft frank the tank, after hopefully taking towns. A big man rotation of vucevic/towns/kaminsky/dedmon/gordon would be scary good

Why not trade Frye and Nicholson for that mid first round?

Optimus_Steel · Post #158 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:45 am

Amazing that at 19 he is already one of the best defenders in the league. His instincts are otherworldly.

OrlandO · Post #159 » by **OrlandO** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:13 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbolmc6xtIA[/youtube]

Dgbarnes · Post #160 » by **Dgbarnes** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 11:45 am

I didn't want to pile on with the Exum criticism, but I just took a glance at his last 10 games stats and he's been shooting 27% from the field.