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Post#141 » by The Effect » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:30 am

mattyBoi wrote:I think there is a good chance our PG rotation is DJ/Grant/Briscoe this season. This move was insurance.

Im betting Grant becomes the starter early in the season, if not day 1. Augustin is a good PG, but not starting caliber. Grant may or may not be the long term guy (i think he is), but he has the POTENTIAL to be, and the same goes for Briscoe, wouldnt surprise me if hes the starter by seasons end. Either way, i think early in the season Grant will become the starter and by the end, our top 2 will be grant and briscoe
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Post#142 » by orlando1214 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:32 am

mattyBoi wrote:I think there is a good chance our PG rotation is DJ/Grant/Briscoe this season. This move was insurance.


It very well could be. I still think DJ is obviously more suited as a back-up, but he did do a solid job as a starter last year, so I think he can handle it. With Grant being an expiring deal, I really feel like we could see him move from the 2nd to the 3rd string throughout the season as Briscoe adjusts to the NBA. I think Briscoe gets a really strong look and could eventually even work his way into the starting role if he plays well. He has a fantastic opportunity if that really is the Point Guard rotation for the season.
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Post#143 » by nymets1 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:37 am

If we do a buyout with Mozgov, I think we have to buy him out for this year and next year? If both sides agree on $14 million for this year and next year, That's $28 million and saves us a little over $4 million?
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Post#144 » by thelead » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:38 am

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mattyBoi wrote:I think there is a good chance our PG rotation is DJ/Grant/Briscoe this season. This move was insurance.

Im betting Grant becomes the starter early in the season, if not day 1. Augustin is a good PG, but not starting caliber. Grant may or may not be the long term guy (i think he is), but he has the POTENTIAL to be, and the same goes for Briscoe, wouldnt surprise me if hes the starter by seasons end. Either way, i think early in the season Grant will become the starter and by the end, our top 2 will be grant and briscoe


Jerian has played 3,979 minutes and 213 games over 3 seasons. He is 25 (26 before the season starts) and is a career 41/31/78 shooter. You think Jerian is the solution as our long term PG starter???????????

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Post#145 » by The Real Dalic » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:39 am

What an absolute trash trade, we're going to go into the year with DJ as the starter and God forbid he gets injured, because then we're going to have a garbage 26 year old player entering his prime having done nothing but suck ass everywhere he's been. This means no IT and if AG, Fournier, Isaac, and Bamba don't improve/have an impact, then we're winning 19 games next year.
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Post#146 » by The Real Dalic » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:43 am

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mattyBoi wrote:I think there is a good chance our PG rotation is DJ/Grant/Briscoe this season. This move was insurance.

Im betting Grant becomes the starter early in the season, if not day 1. Augustin is a good PG, but not starting caliber. Grant may or may not be the long term guy (i think he is), but he has the POTENTIAL to be, and the same goes for Briscoe, wouldnt surprise me if hes the starter by seasons end. Either way, i think early in the season Grant will become the starter and by the end, our top 2 will be grant and briscoe


Jerian has played 3,979 minutes and 213 games over 3 seasons. He is 25 (26 before the season starts) and is a career 41/31/78 shooter. You think Jerian is the solution as our long term PG starter???????????

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Yep, absolute trash player. The reason I'm pissed off is 1. No IT most likely since we'd have 4 PG's, and 2. I was looking forward to Briscoe as the backup as a young unknown rather than a 26 POS backing DJ up.
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Post#147 » by MasterGMer » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:44 am

Darn, do not like this trade at all. Unless Weham likes Grant when he was in the draft.

Now my only hope is IT signing.

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Post#148 » by PrimeThyme » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:45 am

Im sure that Clifford just like Vogel did sold him on our current roster. I've heard Clifford say in every interview since he was hired that the only reason we didn't win more games last year is because of injuries and then he proceeds to name (Vuc, Evan,Ross, etc) as evidence of that. Its honestly going to be **** sad if we go into next season with the same starting lineup.
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Post#149 » by The Real Dalic » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:47 am

PrimeShaq wrote:Im sure that Clifford just like Vogel did sold him on our current roster. I've heard Clifford say in every interview since he was hired that the only reason we didn't win more games last year is because of injuries and then he proceeds to name (Vuc, Evan,Ross, etc) as evidence of that. Its honestly going to be **** sad if we go into next season with the same starting lineup.

I don't necessarily disagree with him, but we MUST improve our PG rotation, I think with this trade, we got MUCH worse. Should've kept Mack instead of this trash ass player.
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Post#150 » by Howard Mass » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:47 am

DJ Augustin will start if no one else is acquired but he should play 28 minutes with a backup like Jerian Grant playing 20 and Isaiah Briscoe being the third point guard.

This way he does not get as worn out as he has already played 10 seasons. When he got a 4-year deal, many of us wondered how he would hold up over it and the last thing this team needs is him breaking down as we saw last season how unwatchable a game could be when short handed at point guard.

If no new pg is acquired after the Grant deal, The Magic need to have one on one of the two-way's like Troy Caupain so they have someone that knows the system and can be called up if one or more of the point guards are banged up.
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Post#151 » by Howard Mass » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:48 am

nymets1 wrote:If we do a buyout with Mozgov, I think we have to buy him out for this year and next year? If both sides agree on $14 million for this year and next year, That's $28 million and saves us a little over $4 million?


At most, Magic might get a few $100,000's in a buyout.
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Post#152 » by Darth Magic » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:49 am

I just don't know how much of this I can take. I honestly feel like I'm losing it. Who was the last guard on the Magic to average over 20 ppg? Steve Francis? None of what we are doing makes sense outside of we want to stink again next season. We really gonna roll with Vooch and DJ as our starting point guard and center? I'm gonna throw up! :oops:
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Post#153 » by Magic#1 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:51 am

I like Grant. He's solid. I don't see him getting a ton better, but he can play and was a strong leader at ND. I wish Biz had worked out here, but he has had two really poor years. Mozgov is almost a bigger joke of a contract, but at least it's for slightly less. I'd prefer we buy him out just so there is no pressure to give him minutes over Birch or even Mo. It's an understandable deal that may get us a solid backup point guard and much better backup than we have now.
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Post#154 » by OrlandoMagic » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:52 am

So my gut feeling is Magic will trade Vuc now. Start Bamba and give Mozfov 10-14 mins a game.... Magic need to start developing players for a change!!
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Post#155 » by woosah » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:53 am

Guess the trade market flattened out.
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Post#156 » by mattyBoi » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:53 am

The reality of the situation is that we're likely going into the season with the same roster and we're going to be a really bad team again. Isaac will improve, we added Bamba but he's a work in progress, lost Mario. Maybe Vooch/Ross are dealt at the deadline. I've already accepted it.
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Post#157 » by Magic#1 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:56 am

OrlandoMagic wrote:So my gut feeling is Magic will trade Vuc now. Start Bamba and give Mozfov 10-14 mins a game.... Magic need to start developing players for a change!!

I like Vooch more than most, but there is no point in keeping him now. We just drafted a center and Vooch is about to be a free agent. He has to be traded. A good thing about this trade is that we don't necessarily need a center if we trade Vooch. Sure, Mozgov is terrible but I don't mind a center rotation of Mozgov/Bamba/Birch.
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Post#158 » by The Effect » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:58 am

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mattyBoi wrote:I think there is a good chance our PG rotation is DJ/Grant/Briscoe this season. This move was insurance.

Im betting Grant becomes the starter early in the season, if not day 1. Augustin is a good PG, but not starting caliber. Grant may or may not be the long term guy (i think he is), but he has the POTENTIAL to be, and the same goes for Briscoe, wouldnt surprise me if hes the starter by seasons end. Either way, i think early in the season Grant will become the starter and by the end, our top 2 will be grant and briscoe


Jerian has played 3,979 minutes and 213 games over 3 seasons. He is 25 (26 before the season starts) and is a career 41/31/78 shooter. You think Jerian is the solution as our long term PG starter???????????

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I kinda do, and no im not

Sure hes played alot of games, but hes been a backup every year, but he has started 60 over those 3 years and put up pretty respectable numbers, averaging 9.5ppg, 4.5 apd 3rpg, with last year being his best yet averaging 10/6/4 as a starter while keeping TO low, and shooting 42/38/82.

Is he the next CP3? no, but hes a capable starter and a guy who has gotten better every year. So yes i absolutely think he could be our long term PG, also think Briscoe could bet he answer as well. Either way im really happy about this trade and think its going to pay off for us big time this year
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Post#159 » by PrimeThyme » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:58 am

Dj
Evan
Ross
AG
Vuc

That will be our starting lineup next season. Book it. 32-35 win team at best. Good for a 9-12 pick. Very disappointing.
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Post#160 » by MasterGMer » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:59 am

Maybe Weham thinks that Mozgov is a better backup center than Biz. If that is the case, I can see some optimism from this trade

Magic still has its MLE and bi-annual plus Vuc.

Am I going to see another move by the Magic?

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