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It's draft DAY! Who should we take at 16? (Poll)

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Who should we select?

Tyler Herro, Kentucky
12
13%
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech
31
34%
Romeo Langford, Indiana
11
12%
Kevin Porter Jr., USC
14
15%
Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga
1
1%
Nassir Little, North Carolina
5
5%
PJ Washington, Kentucky
2
2%
Keldon Johnson, Kentucky
2
2%
Kz Okpala, Stanford
3
3%
Bol Bol, Oregon
10
11%
 
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Re: The draft is 2 days away, Who should we take at 16? (Poll) 

Post#141 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:38 am

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nymets1 wrote:Are you guys watching the ESPN mock draft special right now on ESPN? They are doing at least the first 30 picks so they will do the Magic at #16!!!! I like to see how people react on here to who Adrian WoJ, Mike Schultz or Bobby Marks picks for the Magic.


Just flipped it out good looking out.


Yea ESPN just did Rui Hachimura at #11 to the Timberwolves, We are 5 picks away from our pick!

Nassir Little went #12 to the Hornets, I wish he could fall to #16 in the real NBA draft. Its probably highly unlikely Nassir is available at 16.

Goga Bitadze #15 to the Nets? I never heard of that guy.


Took Herro and I think it’s the lazy easy pick. Orlando needs shooting and TRoss could leave so here let’s give them the best shooter.
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Post#142 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:39 am

RookieStar wrote:so who did they oick for the magic?


Herro the easy pick.

NAW went 17 to Atlanta
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Re: The draft is 2 days away, Who should we take at 16? (Poll) 

Post#143 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:40 am

sorry didnt see that. Really? Herro? Unless he shows the same work ethic and smarts as JJ, I dont think he will last long in this league
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Post#144 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:41 am

RookieStar wrote:sorry didnt see that. Really? Herro? Unless he shows the same work ethic and smarts as JJ, I dont think he will last long in this league

as Skin pointed out earlier, it's very difficult to imagine that WeltHam would select Herro over NAW if NAW was still on the board.
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Post#145 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:42 am

Feel like this ESPN thing is something we all could’ve done. Nothing really earth shattering in terms of picks.

I don’t see this FO picking a guy who looks to be extremely 1 dimensional. Pretty obvious they value 2 way guys and long athletic dudes.

Thursday can’t get her any sooner.
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Post#146 » by Bensational » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:17 am

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RookieStar wrote:sorry didnt see that. Really? Herro? Unless he shows the same work ethic and smarts as JJ, I dont think he will last long in this league

as Skin pointed out earlier, it's very difficult to imagine that WeltHam would select Herro over NAW if NAW was still on the board.


I remember Cliff saying last year just before the draft, in regards to Young vs others, that you can find ways to hide players on defense as long as they're lighting up the scoreboard on the other end. So there's maybe a chance WeHam see appeal in Herro if they feel he's a too flight scorer.

WeHam, at some point, have to start adding players with an offensive design in place. The playoffs were probably great for that. Finding out who's capable of getting playoff shots off (a lot more mid-range and long 2's, plus shots at the rim and on the perimeter). Herro looks to have a nice pull up mid range shot on him. But Fournier also does, and he's got the advantage of height and length, and it didn't help him much against Toronto (not every team will be able to defend like them). Herro's length will be the biggest handicap when attacking the rim. I can't help be see Herro as more Stauskas than JJ, but if we took him I'd still be excited for him.

A player who can get to the rim is probably the biggest priority. Langford and NAW seem much stronger than Herro at that.
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Re: The draft is 2 days away, Who should we take at 16? (Poll) 

Post#147 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:18 am

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Re: The draft is 2 days away, Who should we take at 16? (Poll) 

Post#148 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:50 am

I've got NAW, Johnson, Lanford, and Claxton.

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Post#149 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:54 am

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RookieStar wrote:sorry didnt see that. Really? Herro? Unless he shows the same work ethic and smarts as JJ, I dont think he will last long in this league

as Skin pointed out earlier, it's very difficult to imagine that WeltHam would select Herro over NAW if NAW was still on the board.


I remember Cliff saying last year just before the draft, in regards to Young vs others, that you can find ways to hide players on defense as long as they're lighting up the scoreboard on the other end. So there's maybe a chance WeHam see appeal in Herro if they feel he's a too flight scorer.

WeHam, at some point, have to start adding players with an offensive design in place. The playoffs were probably great for that. Finding out who's capable of getting playoff shots off (a lot more mid-range and long 2's, plus shots at the rim and on the perimeter). Herro looks to have a nice pull up mid range shot on him. But Fournier also does, and he's got the advantage of height and length, and it didn't help him much against Toronto (not every team will be able to defend like them). Herro's length will be the biggest handicap when attacking the rim. I can't help be see Herro as more Stauskas than JJ, but if we took him I'd still be excited for him.

A player who can get to the rim is probably the biggest priority. Langford and NAW seem much stronger than Herro at that.

Agreed. Echoing what I said earlier, I'd be very accepting of Herro on this team. Lord knows we've got the length to cover him, and he puts forth an effort on defense at least.
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Post#150 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:54 am

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Feel like this ESPN thing is something we all could’ve done. Nothing really earth shattering in terms of picks.

I don’t see this FO picking a guy who looks to be extremely 1 dimensional. Pretty obvious they value 2 way guys and long athletic dudes.

Thursday can’t get her any sooner.
Did you watch herro play? 1 dimensional doesn't make sense if you have

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Post#151 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:02 am

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what's the logic here for us?
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Post#152 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:06 am

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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Feel like this ESPN thing is something we all could’ve done. Nothing really earth shattering in terms of picks.

I don’t see this FO picking a guy who looks to be extremely 1 dimensional. Pretty obvious they value 2 way guys and long athletic dudes.

Thursday can’t get her any sooner.
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1 dimensional should’ve said 1 way player. He’s going to struggle on defense and I don’t see him being able to switch anything. He could be the next Booker though
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Post#153 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:09 am

EasternMagic wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Read on Twitter

what's the logic here for us?


If they want to try and get DLo do you move EF & future 1st for JR. waive JR and only have 3M of his 16M deal. Shave off 14M in Cap Space.

It’s a pipe dream but someone is going to trade for JR and I could see him get moved for a future 1st or mid late 1st on draft night.
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Post#154 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:20 am

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Solid Snake wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Feel like this ESPN thing is something we all could’ve done. Nothing really earth shattering in terms of picks.

I don’t see this FO picking a guy who looks to be extremely 1 dimensional. Pretty obvious they value 2 way guys and long athletic dudes.

Thursday can’t get her any sooner.
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1 dimensional should’ve said 1 way player. He’s going to struggle on defense and I don’t see him being able to switch anything. He could be the next Booker though
Well, idk I thought he did alright in my eyes......high motor, he cares about competing and that's half the battle. Plus I'm not really worried about defense we were a top 10 defense with fournier and DJ Augustin.....we're fine defensively, I prefer NAW over herro slightly but make no mistake herro is a very solid pick at #16

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Post#155 » by j-ragg » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:20 am

I dunno why Herro’s wingspan matters. It makes sense to take big plus wingspans on bigs who are rim protectors especially. If a guy’s main attribute is his shooting/scoring who cares?
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Post#156 » by Bensational » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:18 am

j-ragg wrote:I dunno why Herro’s wingspan matters. It makes sense to take big plus wingspans on bigs who are rim protectors especially. If a guy’s main attribute is his shooting/scoring who cares?


Wingspan is useful for any player who attacks the rim. It allows the player to get their body into the defender, but maintain enough distance via arm length to still get the shot off. Donovan Mitchell is a strong example of this. It also means the player needs less space to get jump shots off on defenders who close out, which isn't as much of an issue if they've got a lightning quick release, or use their legs well (like Ross).

I really haven't studied Herro enough to know if he's capable of working around these.
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Post#157 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:55 am

Hero is a good shooter with a bad 3pt shooting percentage. That kind of resembles Hezonja.

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Post#158 » by Skin » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:56 am

j-ragg wrote:I dunno why Herro’s wingspan matters. It makes sense to take big plus wingspans on bigs who are rim protectors especially. If a guy’s main attribute is his shooting/scoring who cares?

It matters at every position. All the more advantage.

Herro's 3pt% is not good in college but people are talking about him like he's a 45% 3pt NBA shooter because in workouts, against no one, he's lights out.

I think the reason why it didn't translate at Kentucky is because he doesn't create separation and doesn't have the length to shoot over defenders.

I like him as a guy off the bench but not as a starter. Come playoff time when basketball starts being based on matchups, Herro will be a liability on defense and struggle to get clean looks on offense. There seem to be better options out there. I think a good comparison for Herro at his best is Fournier.
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Post#159 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:08 am

Skin wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I dunno why Herro’s wingspan matters. It makes sense to take big plus wingspans on bigs who are rim protectors especially. If a guy’s main attribute is his shooting/scoring who cares?

It matters at every position. All the more advantage.

Herro's 3pt% is not good in college but people are talking about him like he's a 45% 3pt NBA shooter because in workouts, against no one, he's lights out.

I think the reason why it didn't translate at Kentucky is because he doesn't create separation and doesn't have the length to shoot over defenders.

I like him as a guy off the bench but not as a starter. Come playoff time when basketball starts being based on matchups, Herro will be a liability on defense and struggle to get clean looks on offense. There seem to be better options out there. I think a good comparison for Herro at his best is Fournier.

Maybe fournier+ because at least with herro you'll get consistent effort defensively and he'll actually pass the ball....i'll take a better fournier at #16 as an off the bench guy....i don't think anyone expects a starter at 16 do they?
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Post#160 » by zaymon » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:39 am

Solid Snake wrote:
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j-ragg wrote:I dunno why Herro’s wingspan matters. It makes sense to take big plus wingspans on bigs who are rim protectors especially. If a guy’s main attribute is his shooting/scoring who cares?

It matters at every position. All the more advantage.

Herro's 3pt% is not good in college but people are talking about him like he's a 45% 3pt NBA shooter because in workouts, against no one, he's lights out.

I think the reason why it didn't translate at Kentucky is because he doesn't create separation and doesn't have the length to shoot over defenders.

I like him as a guy off the bench but not as a starter. Come playoff time when basketball starts being based on matchups, Herro will be a liability on defense and struggle to get clean looks on offense. There seem to be better options out there. I think a good comparison for Herro at his best is Fournier.

Maybe fournier+ because at least with herro you'll get consistent effort defensively and he'll actually pass the ball....i'll take a better fournier at #16 as an off the bench guy....i don't think anyone expects a starter at 16 do they?

I never saw Fournier defensive effort questioned. He doesnt have elite tools but he always hustles and still his tools.are way better than Herro's. I think expecting Herro to be Fournier+ is approach to be disappointed.
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