Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[MoMM]

Its alot easier to tell someone to turn down FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS than to actually do it

Like let me ask you, say youre making 100k at your job and another company comes and tells you "hey, we'll give you 70,000 to come work for us, but atleast the job might be more fun", are you realistically gonna do it?

There is a huge difference in lifestyle from 100,000 to 70,000 compared to 182m and 130m. Bad analogy.

Its not different, its still just a number and youre telling a guy to take 70% of what he can make.
Its not about a lifestyle change, hell if we are are talking about lifestyle, theres not much of a difference between 5m a year and 30m a year, you can do all the same things youd always wanted. So really whats the difference?
You have to remember, these guys have 10-15 year careers at best, and alot of them end up broke, so while it might seem like they are already earning an astronomical number, to say that these guys are in any position to turn down fifty million dollars is even crazier

And it's not like they get all of this money, because they have to pay a lot of taxes to the government and their agents.

[SD2042]

I personally thing Ross should be more of a priority than Vuc. Like someone said in another thread a lot of teams don’t need centers anymore with high usage. I honestly can’t see teams forking over a ton of money for Vuc. I would personally let Vuc test the league out see what other teams are thinking. Once we hear he has a contract in hand if it’s reasonable give him the same or slightly more. Put it on him wether he wants to stay or not.

Vooch is an all-star that was consistent all season long who was more integral to the team winning more games than Ross who is great when he is hot, but not when he is not hot. I love me some Ross, but much of the time he is a black hole on offense who rarely passes and chucks like there is no tomorrow. Fans here utilize the term Black Hole when describing other players, but Ross becomes that at times.

I honestly get what you are saying and even agree a little bit. But how many teams actually run their offense through the center position? Ross to me is an important player just because I do believe he is our bench scoring. Without him who scores in the second unit?

Without question, scoring is a big issue the Magic needs to address. I'm not too sure throwing DLo the money is the answer given where this team stands right now. There are players out there that can best fit this team that can essentially help address the scoring department. To T-Ross, I have respect for what he's done for the Magic as well. I'm thinking he could be moving on as well. I've heard rumors of the Lakers looking into him at the moment.

Back on topic: Here's a list of scorers I think the Magic should take a look into as well:

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldwke01.html

Tyler Dorsey
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dorsety01.html

Jeremy Lamb
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lambje01.html

[SD2042]

Celtics are now frontrunners to sign Kemba Walker, that's shocking because I thought the Celtics wanted Rozier to start. Now what happens to Rozier? Rockets have 2 bad contracts in CP3 and Capela, I wouldn't trade for either guy unless maybe your unloading your 2 worst contracts going to Houston.

I look for Rozier to go somewhere where he will be in a 6th Man role for a solid playoff team. However, if it's money he desires first, he'll likely find himself on a non-playoff team with virtually not enough reliable players to depend on.

[Skybox]

What do you think about the following trade.

Boston trades Brown and Hayward to Orlando for Gordon and Mozgov

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I would do that in a second

[nicnac215]

Its alot easier to tell someone to turn down FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS than to actually do it

Like let me ask you, say youre making 100k at your job and another company comes and tells you "hey, we'll give you 70,000 to come work for us, but atleast the job might be more fun", are you realistically gonna do it?

There is a huge difference in lifestyle from 100,000 to 70,000 compared to 182m and 130m. Bad analogy.

Its not different, its still just a number and youre telling a guy to take 70% of what he can make.
Its not about a lifestyle change, hell if we are are talking about lifestyle, theres not much of a difference between 5m a year and 30m a year, you can do all the same things youd always wanted. So really whats the difference?
You have to remember, these guys have 10-15 year careers at best, and alot of them end up broke, so while it might seem like they are already earning an astronomical number, to say that these guys are in any position to turn down fifty million dollars is even crazier

I’m not saying he should turn down 50 million and that would be plain stupid but it is a big difference. But 5 to 30 million would be a big difference in lifestyle. I know people who makes close to 5 million and 30 million and while they both have comfortable lives, it’s still a different ball park.

[BadMofoPimp]

Vooch is an all-star that was consistent all season long who was more integral to the team winning more games than Ross who is great when he is hot, but not when he is not hot. I love me some Ross, but much of the time he is a black hole on offense who rarely passes and chucks like there is no tomorrow. Fans here utilize the term Black Hole when describing other players, but Ross becomes that at times.

I honestly get what you are saying and even agree a little bit. But how many teams actually run their offense through the center position? Ross to me is an important player just because I do believe he is our bench scoring. Without him who scores in the second unit?

Without question, scoring is a big issue the Magic needs to address. I'm not too sure throwing DLo the money is the answer given where this team stands right now. There are players out there that can best fit this team that can essentially help address the scoring department. To T-Ross, I have respect for what he's done for the Magic as well. I'm thinking he could be moving on as well. I've heard rumors of the Lakers looking into him at the moment.

Back on topic: Here's a list of scorers I think the Magic should take a look into as well:

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldwke01.html

Tyler Dorsey
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dorsety01.html

Jeremy Lamb
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lambje01.html

I watched KCP alot for years. He is terribly inefficient at times. But, can get hot. What he has over the others is he can be a solid all around player. With the Pistons, he would take over games by dishing out up to 10 assists while playing solid defense. I think he was misused with Lakers. If Ross bolts, I bet KCP can be had cheap.

[fbeye343]

Seems like Vuc will be resigning per below interview with Shams. I predict 4 years $84 million with annual 8% decreases

Read on Twitter

?s=21

[Blue_and_Whte]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

[tiderulz]

Seems like Vuc will be resigning per below interview with Shams. I predict 4 years $84 million with annual 8% decreases

Read on Twitter

?s=21

I could live with that contract.

[JBSouthpaw]

What do you think about the following trade.

Boston trades Brown and Hayward to Orlando for Gordon and Mozgov

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I would do that in a second

I think Boston needs to thin out 1 player in the Tatum, Brown, Hayward trio too. They are the definition of too many cooks in the kitchen.
I had a similar trade,
it was AG/Moz for Langford (pick at the time) and Hayward. I think Hayward and Brown is a lot, not sure BOS would give that up.

Either would save BOS on ton of money next year when Moz's contract comes off and they don't have Hayward's.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Not saying that Iwu should guard them, I'm just saying that the level of their opponents is higher. Siakam and Gianis could be guarding only starters during a game, however Iwu will guard 50/50 (starters vs backup) or whatever.

He’s defending 1st and 2nd stringers not g leaguers. He’s a good defender and hustle player and I’m pretty sure he was shooting close to 43% from three the second half of the season. But because he’s not out scoring everyone...come on’

Did I say he is a bad player? In fact, I like him as a backup.

that was worded incorrectly. Not saying that you do, but in general people are complaining about his limited scoring atm.

[tiderulz]

What do you think about the following trade.

Boston trades Brown and Hayward to Orlando for Gordon and Mozgov

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I would do that in a second

I think Boston needs to thin out 1 player in the Tatum, Brown, Hayward trio too. They are the definition of too many cooks in the kitchen.
I had a similar trade,
it was AG/Moz for Langford (pick at the time) and Hayward. I think Hayward and Brown is a lot, not sure BOS would give that up.

Either would save BOS on ton of money next year when Moz's contract comes off and they don't have Hayward's.

AG/Moz for Hayward and a pick? sorry man, but thats horrible for Orlando. Hayward is 6 years older and undetermined at all if he recovers his play completely

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I hope we scoop Kaminsky up. Scoring backup 4/5, that knows this coach's gameplan. Yes, he has flaws, big ones, but for a backup. I'd take him n the cheap.

[Skybox]

What do you think about the following trade.

Boston trades Brown and Hayward to Orlando for Gordon and Mozgov

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

I would do that in a second

I think Boston needs to thin out 1 player in the Tatum, Brown, Hayward trio too. They are the definition of too many cooks in the kitchen.
I had a similar trade,
it was AG/Moz for Langford (pick at the time) and Hayward. I think Hayward and Brown is a lot, not sure BOS would give that up.

Either would save BOS on ton of money next year when Moz's contract comes off and they don't have Hayward's.

I'd prefer Hayward/Brown, or maybe even Hayward/Smart, but would probably take a long look at either version...it would seem, IMO, that the move would be to bring back Vuc and maybe Ross (although Evan slides to his 6th man spot?) and accept that we're strapped for the foreseeable future, just re-upping young guys (or consolidating/trading)...good looking, mostly young team though...like all scenarios, if we hit the jackpot with Fultz, the skies the limit...ball movement, shooting, versatility, depth

Fultz/DJ/MCW(?)
Hayward/Evan/Frazier
Brown/Ross(?)/Iwundu
Isaac/Okeme
Vuc/Bamba

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

To be fair they've got 3 rostered players and 32M + 4.5 Bi anual exception to fill out what 10 roster spots? I fully expect the lakers to function this year in the tax.

I really think they'd be dumb to go after 1 max guy and not try to snag 2-3 mid tier guys say a TRoss at 15m and Lamb type dudes. Already know JR will accept a 3M vet min to play with lebron again.

[magicman112]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

To be fair they've got 3 rostered players and 32M + 4.5 Bi anual exception to fill out what 10 roster spots? I fully expect the lakers to function this year in the tax.

I really think they'd be dumb to go after 1 max guy and not try to snag 2-3 mid tier guys say a TRoss at 15m and Lamb type dudes. Already know JR will accept a 3M vet min to play with lebron again.

And anyone that goes there is going to have to play Alfred to Lebron and AD's Batman and Robin. Not many of the main FAs are going to want to do that.

[Audi]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

Yea, but if they max another big name it will take their already thin supporting roster to a historic level of thin. Lakers are like a super attractive college chick*.










* with full spectrum of STDs.

[dsg2021]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

Yea, but if they max another big name it will take their already thin supporting roster to a historic level of thin. Lakers are like a super attractive college chick*.










* with full spectrum of STDs.

[tiderulz]

I hope we scoop Kaminsky up. Scoring backup 4/5, that knows this coach's gameplan. Yes, he has flaws, big ones, but for a backup. I'd take him n the cheap.

if he was cheap, i wouldnt hate it. He didnt live up to being a lottery pick, but as you said, as a backup PF/C, he could fill that role.

[tiderulz]

I like how the Lakers can just fart and clear up $32 million in cap space. Frustrating

Yea, but if they max another big name it will take their already thin supporting roster to a historic level of thin. Lakers are like a super attractive college chick*.



* with full spectrum of STDs.

add in the fact Lebron is older and had his first real injury to keep him out for awhile and AD is always hurt. one injury and they are playing 2 stars and G leaguers