2021-2022 Regular Season Game 10: San Antonio Spurs (2-6) at Orlando Magic (2-7) - 11/05/21 at 7:00pm ET

[ibraheim718]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

What's the alternative? Start Ross and Lopez?

No but stop with Suggs is a SG ****. He’s not. Never has been. His mind, the way he sees the game, not a spot up Sg. This irks the crap out of me with this organization. Did it with AG trying to recreate him as some GHill, Paul George hybrid.

JS started at PG for a one loss team one win away from a championship and started at PG for a 3-time state champion in high school (they actually would've 4 consecutive state champs if not for covid). That's proven leadership.. what has Cole Anthony ever won? A lot of guys can put up good numbers on a bad team. I see it all the time. UNC was 4-16 when Cole Anthony was there. Never won a state championship.. in fact the one year Archbishop Mollow was favored they got upset.

[thelead]

Also shooting/scoring seems WAY down across the league just watching all these games.. I like it though cause it means people can actually play defense again. I'd say half of it is the new foul system and the other half is players getting accustomed to the new ball

The league did more than just stop offensive players from fishing for fouls and I don’t recall them saying anything about it more than the Trae/Harden style changes. The game is much more physical this year and I’m seeing a lot more hand-checking on the perimeter. As much as I loved 90’s basketball, I’m not so sure I love how they’re calling the games right now. Yes, the DJ Augustine/Trae/Harden jumping/leaning back into players or hooking arms are not fouls but some players are getting clobbered driving into the paint without a whistle.

[Showbiz Bear]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

What's the alternative? Start Ross and Lopez?

No but stop with Suggs is a SG ****. He’s not. Never has been. His mind, the way he sees the game, not a spot up Sg. This irks the crap out of me with this organization. Did it with AG trying to recreate him as some GHill, Paul George hybrid.

He dribbled off his own leg on an uncontested straight line drive. He gets ripped frequently. And his decision making on drives is spotty. He seems like he's either lost or trying too hard. The game hasn't come to him yet.

I'm not saying KEEP him as an off guard for his entire career, but when Fultz comes back, he's gonna get better looks because of Kelle's effortless ability to break down a defense. Something Suggs will get better at as he develops.

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[pepe1991]

Watched first half only.. but it's impossible to not notice that we had countless missmatches where Bamba or Wendell were on Derick White or some other guard and our ballhandlers simply didn't give up ball OR both big AND guard had no clue how to set themselfs in position to take adventage off missmatch and allowed Spurs to recover matchup.

And look, Spurs are not good team, they played other teams 7 times, lost 6. Last night they had Drew Ebanks as starter at C, nobody at backup C.
You look how other Cs play against them, they thrive. Sabonis scored 24 on 11-15 FG, Marjanovic shot 7-10 vs them, Turner 7-10, Lakers bigs combined for 44 points, Jokic scored 32 on 14-19 shooting... Their interior defense is horrendus. But Orlando does not have bodies or knowledge how to take adventage of those things because our offense is all about 3 point bombing despite we don't really have roster that should shoot 45 threes a night.

That bombing results into some epic statlines like : 5 Magic starters drew 2 FT fouls whole game but 4 starters combined for 5-22 for 3.

Oh well... on to a next one. Utah Jazz. On bright side, maybe Mitchell won't play.

[drsd]

Orlando was +5 in TO differential. That is spotting 6 points. Orlando will not win may game until it i) lowers its TOs AND ii) increases the forced TOs.

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[Skybox]

As others mentioned earlier, our vets are bringing NOTHING...I've been a strong defender of not just unloading TRoss for seconds because of his value as a mentor and bucket getter...same for Harris, but they've both been awful and, worst of all, selfish offensively. TRoss' role has always to be selfish offensively (which is OK) but if his shots aren't falling, he's been worthless this year...his body language is the opposite of "mentor"...and for Harris, who hasn't hit a 3 since DEN paid him, watching him get a rebound, sprint up the floor and unload a long brick without even looking around, made me want to check out Netflix...If they don't bring any kind of leadership or example, might as well move them now before their alleged value to a contender is zip. I've always felt either could make any team a bit better, in their respective roles, right now they're not even making an awful team better.

Also, when I watch RJ, he looks like a frenetic AAU player among men...when I read his stats, he looks much better...where is the truth?

[Ralof]

Amazing work by both coaches and staffs,pop is pop,Mosley is by far the our most promising guy;our defence is so well coached,love how he tries to mix things when things are not going well,how he uses Bamba,how is trying to not be too conservative;our offence is terrible for the lack of talent but we almost always take good shots,with enough space and a fair chance to attack the closeout.

I've seen more good things from him and his staff in the same situation that in 3 years of damn Jacque Vaughn

[JF5]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

I heavily disagree with this... Most of the core the Magic have, have good BBIQ outside of Bamba/Hampton (IMO). The thing is their skills and capabilities are not there due to them not being experienced enough or them being too young to have any skills. The Organization wants these guys to develop their games and expand what they can do on the court so the team can be better as a collective within the next few years.

This is a development year for a reason. Cole/Suggs turning over the ball x-amount of times. Hampton wildly driving with no way of finishing and Bamba not having a clue as to what is going on, on the court. This is just part of the growing pains you deal with in the first year of the rebuild. Playing "structured' basketball does not help anyone right now. Let them **** up/make mistakes now then after that they should be able to learn and build off what they can do afterwards.

[Bergmaniac]

This was a terrible offensive performance by both teams, so many bad shots, so many bricks, and so many dumb turnovers by us. We need a plan B when the 3s aren't falling instead of doubling down and shooting semicontested ones with 18 seconds on the clock over and over again. Suggs' defence is special, he's getting to the line quite a bit for a rookie, especially given the officiating this year, and his impact numbers are still very good, but his shot continues to be way off. 22.8% shooting on jump shots so far is dreadful. And he's shooting 22.6% on wide open 3s and teams are starting to dare him to take them.

Not sure what's going on with Ross, there are whole halves where he isn't looking for his shot at all, he's 11th on the team in usage rate. It's good that he's not the black hole he was the previous seasons but he's gone way too far in the other direction, this team needs his shooting.

[Magic_Kingdom]

If they envision Suggs as a point guard in this league then they should not waste one more game playing him at the two just for the sake of getting him on the court. If you have three starting PG's then trade someone.

[89Magicfan]

If they envision Suggs as a point guard in this league then they should not waste one more game playing him at the two just for the sake of getting him on the court. If you have three starting PG's then trade someone.

He is a PG. It’s why he was a high pick. Everyone talking about his confidence. Think taking away his strengths and forcing him to go 3-14 every game builds confidence?

[basketballRob]

Suggs will be fine.

[Knightro]

As others mentioned earlier, our vets are bringing NOTHING...I've been a strong defender of not just unloading TRoss for seconds because of his value as a mentor and bucket getter...same for Harris, but they've both been awful and, worst of all, selfish offensively. TRoss' role has always to be selfish offensively (which is OK) but if his shots aren't falling, he's been worthless this year...his body language is the opposite of "mentor"...and for Harris, who hasn't hit a 3 since DEN paid him, watching him get a rebound, sprint up the floor and unload a long brick without even looking around, made me want to check out Netflix...If they don't bring any kind of leadership or example, might as well move them now before their alleged value to a contender is zip. I've always felt either could make any team a bit better, in their respective roles, right now they're not even making an awful team better.

Also, when I watch RJ, he looks like a frenetic AAU player among men...when I read his stats, he looks much better...where is the truth?

Absolutely this.

The Magic's young guys have actually (surprisingly?) been fine.

The three veterans - Ross, Harris and Lopez (the few times he's been asked to play) - along with Brazdeikis have been absolutely awful. Hampton's numbers have been dragged into the mud by virtue of sharing the court with Ross and Harris so often.

Okeke is back now, which should help the situation some, but the Magic really need Fultz and Isaac to get back so they can get Ross and Harris out of the rotation for good.

Anthony/Suggs/Franz/Carter/Bamba continue on as starters.

Fultz/Hampton/Okeke/Isaac off the bench while Fultz/Isaac reacclimate from their injuries.

[RookieStar]

As others mentioned earlier, our vets are bringing NOTHING...I've been a strong defender of not just unloading TRoss for seconds because of his value as a mentor and bucket getter...same for Harris, but they've both been awful and, worst of all, selfish offensively. TRoss' role has always to be selfish offensively (which is OK) but if his shots aren't falling, he's been worthless this year...his body language is the opposite of "mentor"...and for Harris, who hasn't hit a 3 since DEN paid him, watching him get a rebound, sprint up the floor and unload a long brick without even looking around, made me want to check out Netflix...If they don't bring any kind of leadership or example, might as well move them now before their alleged value to a contender is zip. I've always felt either could make any team a bit better, in their respective roles, right now they're not even making an awful team better.

Also, when I watch RJ, he looks like a frenetic AAU player among men...when I read his stats, he looks much better...where is the truth?

Absolutely this.

The Magic's young guys have actually (surprisingly?) been fine.

The three veterans - Ross, Harris and Lopez (the few times he's been asked to play) - along with Brazdeikis have been absolutely awful. Hampton's numbers have been dragged into the mud by virtue of sharing the court with Ross and Harris so often.

Okeke is back now, which should help the situation some, but the Magic really need Fultz and Isaac to get back so they can get Ross and Harris out of the rotation for good.

Anthony/Suggs/Franz/Carter/Bamba continue on as starters.

Fultz/Hampton/Okeke/Isaac off the bench while Fultz/Isaac reacclimate from their injuries.

Agree as well...I keep saying we need to trade out 2 vets sooner rather than later cuz they are hurting the development.

Anyone else here thinks that when Fultz and JI step into the court, GH and Tross will be traded ASAP? Now we got other "vets" for the locker room presence I mean..

[Knightro]

Agree as well...I keep saying we need to trade out 2 vets sooner rather than later cuz they are hurting the development.

Anyone else here thinks that when Fultz and JI step into the court, GH and Tross will be traded ASAP? Now we got other "vets" for the locker room presence I mean..

I think Ross has value to a contender and should be traded ASAP. I'd trade him today if possible.

Harris has no value to anyone, but I also don't really think he's going to be a problem child if he's out of the rotation either, so I am less stressed about getting rid of him.

[RookieStar]

Agree as well...I keep saying we need to trade out 2 vets sooner rather than later cuz they are hurting the development.

Anyone else here thinks that when Fultz and JI step into the court, GH and Tross will be traded ASAP? Now we got other "vets" for the locker room presence I mean..

I think Ross has value to a contender and should be traded ASAP. I'd trade him today if possible.

Harris has no value to anyone, but I also don't really think he's going to be a problem child if he's out of the rotation either, so I am less stressed about getting rid of him.

GH has that expiring tag (16m right??) A contending team that needs the flexibility to compete for next season by retaining its core would def look for that.

Yeah.. I was thinking, TRoss plus fillers to GSW for.. Moody? when we eventually do trade GH as well we would have Fultz,Suggs,Cole,RJ and MCW only..

[The Real Dalic]

Agree as well...I keep saying we need to trade out 2 vets sooner rather than later cuz they are hurting the development.

Anyone else here thinks that when Fultz and JI step into the court, GH and Tross will be traded ASAP? Now we got other "vets" for the locker room presence I mean..

I think Ross has value to a contender and should be traded ASAP. I'd trade him today if possible.

Harris has no value to anyone, but I also don't really think he's going to be a problem child if he's out of the rotation either, so I am less stressed about getting rid of him.

GH has that expiring tag (16m right??) A contending team that needs the flexibility to compete for next season by retaining its core would def look for that.

Yeah.. I was thinking, TRoss plus fillers to GSW for.. Moody? when we eventually do trade GH as well we would have Fultz,Suggs,Cole,RJ and MCW only..

Ross for Moody would be amazing. It would make sense for both teams in my opinion as well.

[Skybox]

I'd keep Harris just because you add his expiring to a young'un who has value in a trade for a guy making more. He (his contract) is a nice piece in a bigger trade.

Ross for Moody is too good to be true...I'd add DEN pick to TRoss - and I DO think TRoss would help GSW this year.

[Bensational]

I’d try to get in on the Bulls all-in run and see if we could get some of their youth for some veteran pieces.

Isaac for Patrick Williams + Jones Jr + Dosunmu?

Williams would become our new rehab project since he’s out for the season. I think Ayo could become our 6th man pretty quickly. DJJr is basically an expiring.

Ross for Moody.

Bamba/WCJ
Okeke/(Williams)/MoWag/DJJr
Franz/Moody/DJJr
Suggs/Ayo/RJ
Fultz/Cole/Ayo

[pepe1991]

I’d try to get in on the Bulls all-in run and see if we could get some of their youth for some veteran pieces.

Isaac for Patrick Williams + Jones Jr + Dosunmu?

Williams would become our new rehab project since he’s out for the season. I think Ayo could become our 6th man pretty quickly. DJJr is basically an expiring.

Ross for Moody.

Bamba/WCJ
Okeke/(Williams)/MoWag/DJJr
Franz/Moody/DJJr
Suggs/Ayo/RJ
Fultz/Cole/Ayo

This trade would be possible if Isaac is out there playing, But Bulls won't take officially out for a season player for palyer who didn't play serious basketball for like 2 years and is three times more expensive