Austin Reaves

[thelead]

EVERY game. I truly believe the Lakers match ANY offer at this point though

[DiplomaticMagic]

I like him a lot. But he will cost a lot.

Also with him here, Suggs, Cole and our draft pick. Is there going to be enough time?? Definitely dont want to shorten Suggs minutes and feel like we're going to draft a player who can play SG.

[Rainwater]

The only way to get him is if you give him some insane contract and even then, the Lakers may match.

[drsd]

EVERY game. I truly believe the Lakers match ANY offer at this point though

The only way to get him is if you give him some insane contract and even then, the Lakers may match.

This is why SnT deals happen (to block the matching). I am not sure the Magic can directly attach a SnT to Reaves, as the Lakers actually cannot offer the same contract as Orlando can. They need to wait and then match.

But if there was a second, legally linked, trade for example Bol for a Lakers SRP, that is allowable.

And this might need to be the expected outcome for any team wanting Reaves.

[Knightro]

EVERY game. I truly believe the Lakers match ANY offer at this point though

I agree.

I think one of the cap space teams - be it Orlando or San Antonio or Detroit or whoever - is going to offer Reaves the full 4 years, $98.7M and the Lakers are simply going to match.

[Nyce_1]

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Trying to understand Arenas rule for Reaves…LAL can match any offer but must rear-load salary…if we, a cap space team, make an offer, can we structure any way we want? (Front loaded)

This is the time to weaponize our cap space…whoever we sign, I love those front-loaded deals that make guys tradable and gives us more room to work in the future. Generally, teams are scrambling to free cap for that big buy and sell their souls cap-wise, with inflating salaries.

[zaymon]

I would be very cautious with Reaves. He plays next to one of the best playmakers in the history and with elite big man.
While he is good at pick and roll he is not elite defender, not even close to FVV.
He is certainly an option and we need options for our cap space. If we want to play it safe we should go after FVV, but if we want to make a gamble Reaves is interesting.

[The-Stallion70]

I don't believe he is a player who would really shine if he wasn't playing next to stars. He is attacking alot of closeouts and when the defense is out of position already. I don't think he is Tyler Herro, a guy who can really create his own shot. He is still good though.

That plus he is just about the only really good shooter the Lakers have I don't think they can let him go.

[The-Stallion70]

Is there any other SG the Magic could get for "only" four-year as a $98.6 million contract?

Bruce Brown, Carius LaVert, Josh Hart, Gary Trent jr, Jordan Clarkston would all be possible options for probably less money.

Sorry but I think we'd stay in the lottery for the entire duration of that contract if we commit $100m to any of those guys.

[tiderulz]

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Trying to understand Arenas rule for Reaves…LAL can match any offer but must rear-load salary…if we, a cap space team, make an offer, can we structure any way we want? (Front loaded)

This is the time to weaponize our cap space…whoever we sign, I love those front-loaded deals that make guys tradable and gives us more room to work in the future. Generally, teams are scrambling to free cap for that big buy and sell their souls cap-wise, with inflating salaries.

no. if i remember it correctly, we are still limited on the amount he can make the first 2 years. but the can raise it more in years 3 & 4 than LA can. but we get to average it out over the entire contract. so a 4 year $100mil offer (just for numbers use) we would see it as $25mil/yr hit. LA would have to do it $10 mil in years 1 & 2, then $40mil in years 3 & 4.

[tiderulz]

I don't believe he is a player who would really shine if he wasn't playing next to stars. He is attacking alot of closeouts and when the defense is out of position already. I don't think he is Tyler Herro, a guy who can really create his own shot. He is still good though.

That plus he is just about the only really good shooter the Lakers have I don't think they can let him go.

from what saw, teams not respecting most of LA's shooters, so the spacing wasnt nearly that good for him. And he was not afraid to attack the basket off the dribble. i agree, Herro a tad better, but Herro also just finished his 4th year, 3rd with a major role. Reaves just finished year 2, and his first year was mop up duty. honestly, looks like he saw what he needed to improve (3 pt shot) and worked on it in the offseason. He is definitely a gamble though

[Max Power]

Rarely does a player who reaches a certain level of relevancy on a team like LA replicate it on another team. He’s benefiting from flanking two Hall of Famers. I’d just assume find our guy in the draft. Although I do admit swiping a Lakers media darling would feel kinda nice for once. I don’t think Reaves is the same player in a different uniform. Not worth the overpay.

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Trying to understand Arenas rule for Reaves…LAL can match any offer but must rear-load salary…if we, a cap space team, make an offer, can we structure any way we want? (Front loaded)

This is the time to weaponize our cap space…whoever we sign, I love those front-loaded deals that make guys tradable and gives us more room to work in the future. Generally, teams are scrambling to free cap for that big buy and sell their souls cap-wise, with inflating salaries.

no. if i remember it correctly, we are still limited on the amount he can make the first 2 years. but the can raise it more in years 3 & 4 than LA can. but we get to average it out over the entire contract. so a 4 year $100mil offer (just for numbers use) we would see it as $25mil/yr hit. LA would have to do it $10 mil in years 1 & 2, then $40mil in years 3 & 4.

Then I'm even more out on Reaves...if we could pull some ish with all of our cap space this summer to front load the heck out of a deal, it'd be somewhat interesting. If we're going to be looking at huge checks 3 or 4 years from now when we're paying big extensions on all of our young studs - it'll be regrettable, IMO. I think he's good, but not REALLY good. I'd prefer Herro or Simons in the same price range.

[basketballRob]

It took Reaves 5 years of college and 2 seasons with the Lakers to develop into what he is now. That's 7 years of development. Cole was in his 4th year of development this season and Suggs his 3rd. Both could end up better than Reaves after another 1-2 years of development.





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[tiderulz]

Trying to understand Arenas rule for Reaves…LAL can match any offer but must rear-load salary…if we, a cap space team, make an offer, can we structure any way we want? (Front loaded)

This is the time to weaponize our cap space…whoever we sign, I love those front-loaded deals that make guys tradable and gives us more room to work in the future. Generally, teams are scrambling to free cap for that big buy and sell their souls cap-wise, with inflating salaries.

no. if i remember it correctly, we are still limited on the amount he can make the first 2 years. but the can raise it more in years 3 & 4 than LA can. but we get to average it out over the entire contract. so a 4 year $100mil offer (just for numbers use) we would see it as $25mil/yr hit. LA would have to do it $10 mil in years 1 & 2, then $40mil in years 3 & 4.

Then I'm even more out on Reaves...if we could pull some ish with all of our cap space this summer to front load the heck out of a deal, it'd be somewhat interesting. If we're going to be looking at huge checks 3 or 4 years from now when we're paying big extensions on all of our young studs - it'll be regrettable, IMO. I think he's good, but not REALLY good. I'd prefer Herro or Simons in the same price range.

But we get to average it all over the length. so say 4 year 80 mil, for us it would hit $20mil/yr. for LA, it would hit $10, $10mil, $30, $30. And Herro/Simon, Herro averages around $30mil/yr and Simons around $26mil/year.

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no. if i remember it correctly, we are still limited on the amount he can make the first 2 years. but the can raise it more in years 3 & 4 than LA can. but we get to average it out over the entire contract. so a 4 year $100mil offer (just for numbers use) we would see it as $25mil/yr hit. LA would have to do it $10 mil in years 1 & 2, then $40mil in years 3 & 4.

Then I'm even more out on Reaves...if we could pull some ish with all of our cap space this summer to front load the heck out of a deal, it'd be somewhat interesting. If we're going to be looking at huge checks 3 or 4 years from now when we're paying big extensions on all of our young studs - it'll be regrettable, IMO. I think he's good, but not REALLY good. I'd prefer Herro or Simons in the same price range.

But we get to average it all over the length. so say 4 year 80 mil, for us it would hit $20mil/yr. for LA, it would hit $10, $10mil, $30, $30. And Herro/Simon, Herro averages around $30mil/yr and Simons around $26mil/year.

I think those guys are better than Reaves...this summer's money is for burning. Like when we overpaid Jeff Green for one year - it didn't matter, there wasn't another guy being turned away. I'm more worried about the bills a couple of years down the road...unless it's a guy I really think pushes us to another level. I don't feel that way about Reaves-sanity. I could be wrong, we'll see how he does out of Lebron's nest.

[tiderulz]

It took Reaves 5 years of college and 2 seasons with the Lakers to develop into what he is now. That's 7 years of development. Cole was in his 4th year of development this season and Suggs his 3rd. Both could end up better than Reaves after another 1-2 years of development.

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thats actually not true. at Wichita st, he was shooting 42% from 3 on almost 4 attempts a game off the bench. (51% his freshman year). at Oklahoma, he had more usage and his assists doubled, while his shooting % took a hit. now, it may be him initiating the offense took a lot out of him, i dont know. I do know he played the most mpg on the team, started every game he played, was the leading rebounder on the team (not by position but the whole team), leading apg, and leading scorer. he wasnt really a slow development, especially on the Lakers. they just finally gave him a role and a semi green light to shoot and make plays.

[tiderulz]

Then I'm even more out on Reaves...if we could pull some ish with all of our cap space this summer to front load the heck out of a deal, it'd be somewhat interesting. If we're going to be looking at huge checks 3 or 4 years from now when we're paying big extensions on all of our young studs - it'll be regrettable, IMO. I think he's good, but not REALLY good. I'd prefer Herro or Simons in the same price range.

But we get to average it all over the length. so say 4 year 80 mil, for us it would hit $20mil/yr. for LA, it would hit $10, $10mil, $30, $30. And Herro/Simon, Herro averages around $30mil/yr and Simons around $26mil/year.

I think those guys are better than Reaves...this summer's money is for burning. Like when we overpaid Jeff Green for one year - it didn't matter, there wasn't another guy being turned away. I'm more worried about the bills a couple of years down the road...unless it's a guy I really think pushes us to another level. I don't feel that way about Reaves-sanity. I could be wrong, we'll see how he does out of Lebron's nest.

very fair point and i somewhat agree. i feel his game is more about his play than Lebron's, as Lebron doesnt scare anyone with his outside shooting so he isnt creating a lot of space for other players. as i said, definitely a gamble with him. but he is showing he isnt afraid of the bright lights and is making the right plays.

[The-Stallion70]

Reaves should get something in the 50-70 range. If a team pays him $100m+ like Herro or Simons got then that will hold back that franchise for a while.

I don't see him creating alot against set defenses and having a good volume of success like Simons or Herro did before getting paid. His overall body of work is just not as good.