The German elephant in the room.

[Optimus_Steel]

The German Elephant? More like the German Moose.

[msmoore66]

This reminds me of how many people thought Tatum+Brown was never going to to work and that one of them should be traded...
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They literally went to game 7 of ECF when Tatum was 19 and Brown was 21

And 19 years old Tatum led them in scoring in playoffs

Tatum at age of 26 has 68 playoff victories. For reference point, Embiid, 4 years older, has played 59 playoff games in his career

People who thought that are special type of people, not in a good way. What's the argument? This team that continues to pop to finals, conference finals really can't make next step and win 4 more games? Oh and they are one of best regular season teams year after year? Let's trade them!

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

[pepe1991]

They literally went to game 7 of ECF when Tatum was 19 and Brown was 21

And 19 years old Tatum led them in scoring in playoffs

Tatum at age of 26 has 68 playoff victories. For reference point, Embiid, 4 years older, has played 59 playoff games in his career

People who thought that are special type of people, not in a good way. What's the argument? This team that continues to pop to finals, conference finals really can't make next step and win 4 more games? Oh and they are one of best regular season teams year after year? Let's trade them!

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong

Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.

Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

[yoyojw17]

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong

Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.

Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

and even after all that writing.... i can still see us beating them 2 times in the regular season. lol We'll see.

[pepe1991]

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong

Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.

Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

and even after all that writing.... i can still see us beating them 2 times in the regular season. lol We'll see.

Some of you really got cocky after one win vs team that will probably start rebuild within next 3 months, as Butler won't be there to stay after friction in relationship between him and Riley.

Magic are good young team, Celtics are with Warriors second best runned team of past decade.

[yoyojw17]

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?


Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.



Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

and even after all that writing.... i can still see us beating them 2 times in the regular season. lol We'll see.

Some of you really got cocky after one win vs team that will probably start rebuild within next 3 months, as Butler won't be there to stay after friction in relationship between him and Riley.

Magic are good young team, Celtics are with Warriors second best runned team of past decade.

Sorry bro.... Not being cocky after 1 game.... I already had faith in what they were doing before the season started. I love the direction and growth I have been seeing and would have said that even before the season started. I also do believe we match up well against them also. You should know by now that I'm the yin to your yang. Hahaha

[pepe1991]

and even after all that writing.... i can still see us beating them 2 times in the regular season. lol We'll see.

Some of you really got cocky after one win vs team that will probably start rebuild within next 3 months, as Butler won't be there to stay after friction in relationship between him and Riley.

Magic are good young team, Celtics are with Warriors second best runned team of past decade.

Sorry bro.... Not being cocky after 1 game.... I already had faith in what they were doing before the season started. I love the direction and growth I have been seeing and would have said that even before the season started. I also do believe we match up well against them also. You should know by now that I'm the yin to your yang. Hahaha

You are entitled to believe in whatever you want .

[basketballRob]

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong

Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.

Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

We purposely tanked in Franz first season. In Paolo's first season, we didn't go out of our way to win. Even last season, we had unused cap space. The Celtics have always used all their cap space and some of their picks to field a team. They've kept Horford/Smart and had Kyrie and Hayward. That would be like us adding Franz, Suggs, and Paolo to the Vuc, AG, and Fournier team.

We're still 27th in salaries this season. I'm not sure if the Celtics have been out of the top 10 in salaries for Tatum's entire career. I would judge Franz and Paolo when they have a top 10 team in salaries.

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[J-Mezzy]

We are nowhere near championship level. As of today, I’m not even sure we make it past the first round

I am sure though that we are going to be a very good regular season team. Wouldn’t be surprised if we finish second tbh

[basketballRob]

We are nowhere near championship level. As of today, I’m not even sure we make it past the first round

I am sure though that we are going to be a very good regular season team. Wouldn’t be surprised if we finish second tbh

I think that depends on the health of Isaac and Suggs. They've both been injury prone.

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[pepe1991]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.
They added Tatum and Brown into a group because of amazing trade they did in 2013. Years later they still continue to spin a wheel and add talent.

Whole bunch of other contenders stopped adding talent once they reached top or near top, not Celtics. That separates them for 25-ish other teams that are in business of collecting paycheck for owner(s), not winning.
You can start with Wolves who this summer made NOT BASKETBALL BUT FINANCIAL decision to replace Towns just to cut down luxury tax.

[I Rasharted]

[msmoore66]

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.

Last paragraph and especially the bolded part. Spot on.

Also, sometimes I think we just have to take a step back, not everything is about stats/numbers/data and lord forbid, even winning (GASP!!!!). Watching the Olympics and managed to get the fam to watch some of the bball and specifically the German NT and I was freaking proud to point out Franz and explain his game etc. Even the family members who don't watch much bball could appreciate how he plays.

I guess where I am going with that is there is more then just the stats and even results, the FO probably loves the way Franz competes, hones his craft and approaches the game. Sometimes those things are more important (or just as important). Just enjoy.

But who are people who are arguing about splitting Paolo and Franz? Not me. Hardly anybody on real.gm sub. Hardly anybody on general board. Some delusional reddit fans ?

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong

Again, by "everyone" you mean clueless morons who know jack s*** about basketball as they watch 43 sec of basketball on twitter and argue based on that, because that's length of their attention span?

Rookie Tatum and 21 years old Brown won 55 games. And went to CF game 7.
Tatum at 20, Brown at 22, won 49 games. And went to second round.
21 y.o. Tatum and 23. y.o. Brown won 48 games ( 48-24, shorter season, again pace for +55 wins) and played 6 games in CF.

Boston as a team went through turmoil of 2021 season ( Walker got hurt, Brown didn't played in playoffs etc) , but guess what? 2021-22- 51 wins and trip to finals.
2022-23- 57 wins - trip to CF.
2023-24- 64 damn wins (20th most wins in regular season in nba history) - damn championship.

This is insanity. Only teams with more success in past 10 damn years are either: Steph Curry led- or Lebron led teams. Just two of top 15-ish best players of all time.

Tatum and Brown are still most underrated stars in past 15 years because people undervalue their ability to adjust. Celtics are AMAZING franchise top to bottom, but amount of changes that Celtics did ( Smart, Kyrie, Jrue, Horford , Rozier, White, Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Robert Williams, Kanter, Wannamaker, Theis, Grant Williams etc) only were possible because Tatum and Brown are SO good that you can stick most random crap around them and they elevate all of them, to the point were fans think those role players are actually way better than they are ( Marcus not so Smart at PG).

You can look what happened to most of their role players once they left Celtics to understand how good T&B are.
Wannamaker- from Celtics rotation to out of nba
Kanter- from go to option off bench- out of nba
Grant Williams- from serious Celtics playoff rotation to Hornets bench
Smart- from DPOY to irrelevant bum on Memphis
Thies- from starting on team that went to finals (in playoffs) to irrelevant bum


Celtics do tend to spin a wheel and do have stacked team(s). But it goes under a radar why every team they assemble is stacked. Tatum and Brown. Adjustable, switchable, can play on ball, off ball etc.

Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Because Celtics, unlike Magic, have multiple people capable of setting play and passing? There is very reasonable explanation for this, and not one you think, nor would like. Franz and Paolo aren't as creative playmakers nor they play off each other that much. That's why our offense last year was 8th worst in nba. But team is depending on them to create.

Celtics have amazing offense because they have lot of players capable of creating for self and others, and Brown and Tatum don't need to "play off each other" that much ,because they can play off rest of a team, just like rest of a team can play off them.

Fultz+ Suggs = 325 assists. Jrue Holiday alone 281 assist. Derrick White alone 377 assists, Jaylen Brown alone 249 assists, Prichard alone 281 assists.
If Horford ( a center ) ended up playing 75 games ( like Suggs) he would end up having more assist than both Magic starting guards

Sorry, I think my point might have got a bit lost there, I’m not really talking about people wanting to split them up. Just the worry about how much we are paying Franz, his shot etc with the main theme being we should just enjoy watching him.

[drsd]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.

And-1

Brad Stevens is an outstanding front office leader. Top-3 in the NBA!

[zaymon]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.
They added Tatum and Brown into a group because of amazing trade they did in 2013. Years later they still continue to spin a wheel and add talent.

Whole bunch of other contenders stopped adding talent once they reached top or near top, not Celtics. That separates them for 25-ish other teams that are in business of collecting paycheck for owner(s), not winning.
You can start with Wolves who this summer made NOT BASKETBALL BUT FINANCIAL decision to replace Towns just to cut down luxury tax.

You remember time when they were laughed at becouse they didnt do any trades? Not so long ago. Rumored in many, did nothing. Only brought free agents, until core matured.

[tiderulz]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.

And-1

Brad Stevens is an outstanding front office leader. Top-3 in the NBA!

which is strange because he wasnt an NBA coach that long, comparatively. Usually you either come up in the organization side or a coach for a long time that you learn the other side of the business.

[basketballRob]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.
They added Tatum and Brown into a group because of amazing trade they did in 2013. Years later they still continue to spin a wheel and add talent.

Whole bunch of other contenders stopped adding talent once they reached top or near top, not Celtics. That separates them for 25-ish other teams that are in business of collecting paycheck for owner(s), not winning.
You can start with Wolves who this summer made NOT BASKETBALL BUT FINANCIAL decision to replace Towns just to cut down luxury tax.

I like Randle and DDV more than Towns.

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[Optimus_Steel]

Boston can thank Billy King's stupidity for their current run, that was the main catalyst.

[pepe1991]

As i said, Celtics are phenomenal franchise that is always committed to winning.
They added Tatum and Brown into a group because of amazing trade they did in 2013. Years later they still continue to spin a wheel and add talent.

Whole bunch of other contenders stopped adding talent once they reached top or near top, not Celtics. That separates them for 25-ish other teams that are in business of collecting paycheck for owner(s), not winning.
You can start with Wolves who this summer made NOT BASKETBALL BUT FINANCIAL decision to replace Towns just to cut down luxury tax.

I like Randle and DDV more than Towns.

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I like DDV, but i would rather play 4 on 5 than use Randle. Him and Gobert will make sure Wolves ceiling is first round.

Randle playoff numbers: 29% usage rate, 46% TS .

And usual trash on defense.

Oh hell, i'll go with this bold prediciton: Wolves will be in playin

[HighPack]

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