Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVIII: Trade Deadline cont.)

[Furinkazan]

All this talk, and our only move will be trading Orton to Hou for a top 58 protected 2nd Rd pick.

woudnt surprise any of us

[Idunkonyou2]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219689/Magic_In_Talks_With_Wolves_On_Jason_Richardson

I know most (all) of the talk on these threads are about d12, but I couldn't find anything on this from yesterday.
J rich to Minny for who?? Beasly? anyone else??

Some one posted the article about this way back in this thread. Yes it is for Beasley. Not sure if it will happen though. Just a rumor right now. I would be down for it. Gives us another young piece to either plant or to move for a better player down the road.

[Darth Magic]

What I find funny in all of this is the fact Howard never took the Magic off his list so in regards to the "I never changed my mind" comment, well he never did and now it seems like he wants to stay. We shall see.

You know, you're making compelling arguments in your posts. I've never believe anything BS, Bianchi, or Stephen A has said. Why should I start now? Cause it sounds good? Negative.

I just don't get this thinking? If Dwight wants to stay then why not just sign the extension? Why scuttle the Monta trade which would give us a better chance of winning a championship? A guy that he himself named as a player he would like to play with?

[Driguez]

What I find even funnier is how some on here consider a team with one of the worst records in the league to have "pieces". If you mean pieces of garbage, minus Williams, then you would be right.

First round picks aren't pieces of garbage. And a scoring C, as underwhelming as he can be rebounding, is very very valuable on this league. Come on.

[Driguez]

All this talk, and our only move will be trading Orton to Hou for a top 58 protected 2nd Rd pick.

woudnt surprise any of us

Yup

[Idunkonyou2]

I just don't get this thinking? If Dwight wants to stay then why not just sign the extension? Why scuttle the Monta trade which would give us a better chance of winning a championship? A guy that he himself named as a player he would like to play with?

I think it has been repeated many of times that Howard makes more money if he A) opts out this summer and takes a new contract or B) opts in and then becomes a FA in the summer of 2013.

He loses 30+ million if he just goes and signs straight up with another team. The Magic have already said they will not sign and trade Howard in the offseason to help him out money wise.

[Gerhalt11]

I just don't get this thinking? If Dwight wants to stay then why not just sign the extension? Why scuttle the Monta trade which would give us a better chance of winning a championship? A guy that he himself named as a player he would like to play with?

To be fair, we don't know that Dwight scuttled the Monta trade. For all we know, maybe he DID tell the FO that getting Monta would cause him to sign, and when Golden State got wind of that, they pulled back because they wanted a shot at Dwight, themselves.

I know we all love to be the first to post the most recent Twitter comment about Dwight from some "expert," but the truth is it's all hearsay.

There's plenty to be pissed about when it comes to Dwight and what he actually has said without dipping into the world of "sources."

[OrlandoMagic]

This is about basketball right.....

[MagicStarwipe]

Why do people want Bynum? So we can be a worse version of ourselfs and stay in playoff hell and resign him to a monster contract?

If re-signing the best center in the game would be a good idea, why would re-signing the second-best center in the game be a bad idea?

Because the best center is a top 3 player and the 2nd best is not even top 20.

P.S. A lot of denial going on in this thread.

[Potterman]

To be fair, we don't know that Dwight scuttled the Monta trade. For all we know, maybe he DID tell the FO that getting Monta would cause him to sign, and when Golden State got wind of that, they pulled back because they wanted a shot at Dwight, themselves.

This. Either way I have said my piece.

[Darth Magic]

I just don't get this thinking? If Dwight wants to stay then why not just sign the extension? Why scuttle the Monta trade which would give us a better chance of winning a championship? A guy that he himself named as a player he would like to play with?

To be fair, we don't know that Dwight scuttled the Monta trade. For all we know, maybe he DID tell the FO that getting Monta would cause him to sign, and when Golden State got wind of that, they pulled back because they wanted a shot at Dwight, themselves.

I know we all love to be the first to post the most recent Twitter comment about Dwight from some "expert," but the truth is it's all hearsay.

There's plenty to be pissed about when it comes to Dwight and what he actually has said without dipping into the world of "sources."

Am sorry, but what you are saying makes zero sense. IF you want to believe we have hope to keep him then that's your business.

[Potterman]

Why do people want Bynum? So we can be a worse version of ourselfs and stay in playoff hell and resign him to a monster contract?

If re-signing the best center in the game would be a good idea, why would re-signing the second-best center in the game be a bad idea?

Because the best center is a top 3 player and the 2nd best is not even top 20.

Not entirely true. It would only take the rest of this season to see if Bynum could carry a team. Remember he plays 3rd option to Kobe, and Gasol or er mostly Kobe. Dwight would probably be a third option on that team. Just sayin....

[Gerhalt11]

Am sorry, but what you are saying makes zero sense. IF you want to believe we have hope to keep him then that's your business.

Do you, actually, you know, read things?

If you've read any of my other posts, you'd know that I am absolutely convinced that Dwight is leaving and that we need to trade him right now and that he is a childish coward.

But, by all means, continue to be ignorant. It's way more fun.

[Idunkonyou2]

What I find even funnier is how some on here consider a team with one of the worst records in the league to have "pieces". If you mean pieces of garbage, minus Williams, then you would be right.

First round picks aren't pieces of garbage. And a scoring C, as underwhelming as he can be rebounding, is very very valuable on this league. Come on.

Yes because as we have seen in the past 1st round picks are guaranteed to succeed in the NBA, as an already legit superstar who has missed a total of 7 games in an 8 year career is deemed to fail.

Lopez is one of the worst defenders in the NBA.

The Nets haven't won much with these "pieces", high picks and trades, unlike the Magic who continue to be top 3 or 4 in their conference what seems like every year for the past 5 years.

[MagicFan41]

This leader talk bores me, not everybody has to be a leader to be successful at what they do. The biggest pussies are those calling someone a pussy on the internet. no offense, my comment is not directed to anybody in particular.

Do 0.1% of what dwight did for orlando and then you get to talk.

Sure it isn't directed at anybody in particular. I don't know if that's some ironic way of being funny (by jokingly hiding behind the fact you are replying to my previous comment - i.e. being a copout/pussy by calling somebody out on the internet and not saying who you are talking to)...but whatever. If that's directed at me, I don't care. HE is the one who says he wants to be a leader. So yes, I feel I can go ahead and call him out for that. Also, I assure you the next time I see Dwight in a new uniform, I will rip him a new one verbally. I'm not scared to do that in person.

As for "Do 0.1% of what Dwight did for Orlando"....give me a break. I have far surpassed Dwight on various levels of various things in my life. I am as good a basketball player as Dwight, of course not. Have I done as much for the community? Of course not. Do I have as much money, of course not. That doesn't mean that I can't call him out for what he is doing right now. I've always said he did a great deal for the Orlando community. Fantastic. I praised him for that. Now he is doing them a disservice, so I am calling him out in the same manner. Can't have it both ways, even though Dwight likes to try.

BTW, this isn't directed at anybody, especially not the person I quoted.

[Potterman]

Am sorry, but what you are saying makes zero sense. IF you want to believe we have hope to keep him then that's your business.

Do you, actually, you know, read things?

If you've read any of my other posts, you'd know that I am absolutely convinced that Dwight is leaving and that we need to trade him right now and that he is a childish coward.

But, by all means, continue to be ignorant. It's way more fun.

FYI, I got this vibe from you.

I also don't think Dwight is a coward. Childish, eh, maybe. It doesn't really matter as I am 100% sure he is gone. The question is do you try 1 more time? Or do you make the trade that keeps us in the best possible contention?

You could also blow it up. But like I said, were already here, and we could just simply try it with the 2nd best center and take the same "wait and see approach." You can still have your firesale of 2012 if we get kicked out of the 1st round.

[KingRobb02]

Call me gullible, but I just never envisioned Dwight as being smart enough to be the mastermind that most people here are making him out to be.

Sheesh whats that some Dumb athlete stereotype? How dumb do you have to be to not want to play on a team that has pieces traded away? Mastermind? thats just basic common sense. Just because he is an athlete doesn't mean he's dumb. Drop the stereotyping.

You used the word dumb not me. I just don't think he is smart enough to have a grasp of the collective bargaining agreement and everything that would go along with the Nets retaining RFA Brooks this summer in addition to him signing for the Max and convincing Deron to return.

[MagicFan41]

I just don't get this thinking? If Dwight wants to stay then why not just sign the extension? Why scuttle the Monta trade which would give us a better chance of winning a championship? A guy that he himself named as a player he would like to play with?

I think it has been repeated many of times that Howard makes more money if he A) opts out this summer and takes a new contract or B) opts in and then becomes a FA in the summer of 2013.

He loses 30+ million if he just goes and signs straight up with another team. The Magic have already said they will not sign and trade Howard in the offseason to help him out money wise.

While we are on the subject of "I think it has been repeated many of times". Sign-and-trade in the offseason does NOT affect him money wise in the new CBA. Exact same as signing outright as FA with a new team. 4 years, 4.5% raises. Can I start a new thread (you can lock it if you want) stating this fact, so that we don't see it on every page of every thread?

[eraman2008]

Is there any way with the pieces we have can land
Beasley Darco and Sessions?
Before you say no look at the trade that happened yesterday

[Nolimit1211]

Dwight Howard ‏ @DwightHoward
In NYC. Headed to Brooklyn. Can't wait. Brooklyn wasssssuuuupppppp

Eh, I guess he was a little too excited afew month ago when he tweeted that