Official Speculation Thread I

TNMagicFan · Post #1401 » by **TNMagicFan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:03 am

Driguez wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Driguez wrote:Ok so people think they will trade Bogut and a first round 2014 pick for our TPE? Goodness **** gracious...

Of course they would if it meant they were getting Dwight.

Um, Ok. Are people that drunk today? Does anyone really think that they CANT and WONT do better than a TPE? I mean you guys understand getting Dwight would mean championship or bust right? And that also means they will need warm bodies on the bench and not a TPE?

apparently you arent paying attention .... they want to shed salary

Swiftraven · Post #1402 » by **Swiftraven** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:07 am

Driguez wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Driguez wrote:Ok so people think they will trade Bogut and a first round 2014 pick for our TPE? Goodness **** gracious...

Of course they would if it meant they were getting Dwight.

Um, Ok. Are people that drunk today? Does anyone really think that they CANT and WONT do better than a TPE? I mean you guys understand getting Dwight would mean championship or bust right? And that also means they will need warm bodies on the bench and not a TPE?

They would need the tpe to absorb his 14mil. I would think it would involve multiple transactions including affalo or bbs, hedo, al etc. With us taking their other big expirings To drop their salary cap space. Our hit would only be for this year. All the better if we can pry a youngster as well. We would have all the leverage.

TNMagicFan · Post #1403 » by **TNMagicFan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:10 am

Swiftraven wrote:
Driguez wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Of course they would if it meant they were getting Dwight.

Um, Ok. Are people that drunk today? Does anyone really think that they CANT and WONT do better than a TPE? I mean you guys understand getting Dwight would mean championship or bust right? And that also means they will need warm bodies on the bench and not a TPE?

They would need the tpe to absorb his 14mil. I would think it would involve multiple transactions including affalo or bbs, hedo, al etc. With us taking their other big expirings To drop their salary cap space. Our hit would only be for this year. All the better if we can pry a youngster as well. We would have all the leverage.

wow people they do not want to take back salary .... that defeats the purpose of the trade in the first place

Driguez · Post #1404 » by **Driguez** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:13 am

Swiftraven wrote:
Driguez wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Of course they would if it meant they were getting Dwight.

Um, Ok. Are people that drunk today? Does anyone really think that they CANT and WONT do better than a TPE? I mean you guys understand getting Dwight would mean championship or bust right? And that also means they will need warm bodies on the bench and not a TPE?

They would need the tpe to absorb his 14mil. I would think it would involve multiple transactions including affalo or bbs, hedo, al etc. With us taking their other big expirings To drop their salary cap space. Our hit would only be for this year. All the better if we can pry a youngster as well. We would have all the leverage.

I can appreciate your optimism about something like this but it is a major reach. Oh well, speculation thread gon speculate.

RickB-Orlando · Post #1405 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:13 am

MagicTownBaller wrote:We should trade Turk and a second round pick to a team for a second round pick and then trade Al Harrington to a team (LAC anyone) for 2 second round picks! WE WIN!!!

Turk is untradable. He had little value at the start of last year as an upcoming expiring, but between the injury, crappy play, and then suspension, we couldn't include enough second round picks to get him out of here.

Unless he's part of a bigger trade, I don't see anyone taking him on, even as an expiring deal. The guy is a pariah.

I'm a little surprised no one has an interest in Harrington. He played ok in limited time last year after returning from injury, and probably can help a contender with some solid bench play, so ling as he isn't run too many minutes per night.

RickB-Orlando · Post #1406 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:17 am

InFlames wrote:We could take any of Bogut, Biedrens or Jefferson off their hands and they are all expiring.

Is Bogut shot, or does he have the potential to return to his place as a top tier center? I'm wondering if his body is just failing to the point where he can never get back to a reasonable level...?

InFlames · Post #1407 » by **InFlames** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:19 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
InFlames wrote:We could take any of Bogut, Biedrens or Jefferson off their hands and they are all expiring.

Is Bogut shot, or does he have the potential to return to his place as a top tier center? I'm wondering if his body is just failing to the point where he can never get back to a reasonable level...?

Bogut looked good in the playoffs for GS last season, but who knows if he can stay healthy or not.

TNMagicFan · Post #1408 » by **TNMagicFan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:21 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
InFlames wrote:We could take any of Bogut, Biedrens or Jefferson off their hands and they are all expiring.

Is Bogut shot, or does he have the potential to return to his place as a top tier center? I'm wondering if his body is just failing to the point where he can never get back to a reasonable level...?

i wouldnt trust it ...hes been injured for better part of 3 years now

MagicFan32 · Post #1409 » by **MagicFan32** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:24 am

Driguez wrote:Ok so people think they will trade Bogut and a first round 2014 pick for our TPE? Goodness **** gracious...

Well, if they are trying to make trades without taking any salary back, what do u suggest

TNMagicFan · Post #1410 » by **TNMagicFan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:25 am

Driguez wrote:
Swiftraven wrote:
Driguez wrote:
Um, Ok. Are people that drunk today? Does anyone really think that they CANT and WONT do better than a TPE? I mean you guys understand getting Dwight would mean championship or bust right? And that also means they will need warm bodies on the bench and not a TPE?

They would need the tpe to absorb his 14mil. I would think it would involve multiple transactions including affalo or bbs, hedo, al etc. With us taking their other big expirings To drop their salary cap space. Our hit would only be for this year. All the better if we can pry a youngster as well. We would have all the leverage.

I can appreciate your optimism about something like this but it is a major reach. Oh well, speculation thread gon speculate.

You are saying bogut is worth more than that and you are right . What we are saying is that GS only cares about SHEDDING SALARY so they can sign Dwight outright without a sign and trade . Thats ALL they care about . In that case our TPE is gold to them because they can send us almost 20 mil in salary without having to take any back which gives them the ability to sign Dwight

Driguez · Post #1411 » by **Driguez** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:33 am

MagicFan32 wrote:
Driguez wrote:Ok so people think they will trade Bogut and a first round 2014 pick for our TPE? Goodness **** gracious...

Well, if they are trying to make trades without taking any salary back, what do u suggest

Did the GS FO came out and said that's what they wanted to do? Was it Woj or other reputable reporter or was it some silly realgmers who said it? I probably missed it the reason why I'm asking.

MagicFan32 · Post #1412 » by **MagicFan32** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:43 am

marc stein and brian windhorst reported it......if GSW is serious, Orlando can be a facilitator, they have the ability to take on money, without sending any out

AhaAha · Post #1413 » by **AhaAha** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:45 am

Gs doesnt have to include anything to get rid of Bogut.Im sure there are teams under the cap who would absorb him. Rj and Biedrins on the other hand are really hard to move.

woosah · Post #1414 » by **woosah** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:50 am

I don't see why we would do it. if they really aren't willing to give up KT or HB (as reported), then we really want to take in 20 mil for a late 20's draft pick? Not worth it to me. If you bought someone's pick straight up, it wouldn't cost you 20 mil. No one we could pick next year would be worth 20mil in a season. I must be missing something.

InFlames · Post #1415 » by **InFlames** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:50 am

AhaAha wrote:Gs doesnt have to include anything to get rid of Bogut.Im sure there are teams under the cap who would absorb him. Rj and Biedrins on the other hand are really hard to move.

I think we can take on both with our TPE.

magicsanta · Post #1416 » by **magicsanta** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:50 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228638/Warriors-Trying-To-Trade-Bogut-Jefferson-Biedrins-To-Create-Room-For-Howard

Howad was the player with the most potential in the League when he was with us, now he has the potential to be the player to screw the most NBA teams in the Histroy of the NBA.

Imagine if both the Warriors and Rockets traded several pieces to land him, then he went to the Mavs and failed there. That would be the Magic, Lakers, Warriors, Rockets and Mavs and he still has time to screw up a few more lol

TSKD000 · Post #1417 » by **TSKD000** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:52 am

I'd take the expirings of Jefferson and Beidrins + 2 first rnd picks for our TPE

TNMagicFan · Post #1418 » by **TNMagicFan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:52 am

AhaAha wrote:Gs doesnt have to include anything to get rid of Bogut.Im sure there are teams under the cap who would absorb him. Rj and Biedrins on the other hand are really hard to move.

Who is far enough under the cap to absorb his deal that wouldnt want something else . I dont think anyone who could do that would want to without some kind of incentive ...maybe im wrong

TDJacksonville · Post #1419 » by **TDJacksonville** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 2:07 am

woosah wrote:I don't see why we would do it. if they really aren't willing to give up KT or HB (as reported), then we really want to take in 20 mil for a late 20's draft pick? Not worth it to me. If you bought someone's pick straight up, it wouldn't cost you 20 mil. No one we could pick next year would be worth 20mil in a season. I must be missing something.

ur forgetting they are xpiring contracts. u can usually flip those at the trade deadline. we can easily renounce our rights to them. i wouldnt renounce rights on bogut but i would do a sign and trade so it would be the gift that keeps on giving

TDJacksonville · Post #1420 » by **TDJacksonville** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 2:10 am

woosah wrote:I don't see why we would do it. if they really aren't willing to give up KT or HB (as reported), then we really want to take in 20 mil for a late 20's draft pick? Not worth it to me. If you bought someone's pick straight up, it wouldn't cost you 20 mil. No one we could pick next year would be worth 20mil in a season. I must be missing something.

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