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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LXI Countdown To Preseas 

Post#1401 » by dsg2021 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:36 am

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Catledge wrote:The problem with comparing Smart and Oladipo's scouting reports is that Dipo's scouting report was basically wrong. He was described as a SG version of Gerald Walllace -- two-dribble drives, elite defense, and high intensity. Now we see that his ball handling and shooting are way better than the scouts said. It's extremely unlikely that Smart's scouting report will be equally wrong in the same way.


or it shows that there are so many players out there, and many college players do whatever it takes for their team that scouts get wrong what their strengths and weaknesses are. Smart could very well play better than his scouting report says.


Yeah, of course Smart could out perform the scouting reports, but that's true about everybody. The vast majority of guys who are scouted as below-average shooters will in fact turn out to be below-average shooters, and most guys who work really hard in the off season don't make giant jumps in their games like Dipo has. They usually take small steps like Hark has.


I'd go with tide's thoughts more but this is clearly a great idea to explore. I've been thinking about watching some of Oladipo's IU games for this very reason. There's just too much of a college system & lineup chemistry in place to showcase a player's full portfolio of skills sometimes. I mean, what can you do about playing outside of your college system if its at the level of a highly defensive and 59 FG% SG, don't do anything else generally. Detecting a full portfolio and range of potential is where it's fascinating and tricky, I think it's scouting to every type of play and examining the mechanics of the small sample plays like Oladipo IU PnR's, then its sports physiology and psychology. Oladipo had the same athleticism and quickness in IU, its not hard to project that same athleticism in a different position at PG. Combine his 2 way value with great defensive pressure and the personality of a supremely confident and high work ethic player, and you probably have too many signs that he has a better than most chance to translate into a great NBA player. There's some similar reasoning to Smart which helps him still be a top 5 draft prospect by most sites. He has more freedom in OKST, so he might have to show more improvement than most but I think he is already a better driver than Oladipo right now. He's also shown a similar supreme confidence (with maturity) and clutchness as Oladipo.
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Post#1402 » by MinneOOPalis » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:27 am

Hello wolves fan here.

What would you guys want for Harkless?
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Post#1404 » by cedric76 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:36 am

I might be wrong but I think Tobias hasn't play pf in preseason yet, might be a sign that jv has him at sf this year

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Post#1405 » by NickAnderson » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:10 am

How many picks will we have this year?

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Post#1406 » by Catledge » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:11 am

Sakuragi_ wrote:Hello wolves fan here.

What would you guys want for Harkless?


Nothing that you would be willing to give up. There are guys on here (I'm not one of them) who wouldn't even trade him for Love.
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Post#1407 » by Howard Mass » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:03 pm

NickAnderson wrote:How many picks will we have this year?

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Two.

Orlando's own first round pick
Less favorable of Denver and New York's first round picks.

Orlando's second round pick goes to Cleveland per the Justin Harper deal.
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Post#1408 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:33 pm

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NickAnderson wrote:How many picks will we have this year?

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Two.

Orlando's own first round pick
Less favorable of Denver and New York's first round picks.

Orlando's second round pick goes to Cleveland per the Justin Harper deal.


Still cant believe that we owe Cle another pick, which will be a high 2nd rounder. We need those, Rob does great work in the late 2nd round, imagine with a high 2nd rounder! Wonder if they buy one.

At least we get another first rounder. There is good chance of getting a late teens pick.
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Post#1409 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:34 pm

I notice that out schedule to start the season is tough. We start with 2 tough away back to backs. I expect us to lose our 5 games, until we play Boston.
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Post#1410 » by Howard Mass » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:59 pm

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Two.

Orlando's own first round pick
Less favorable of Denver and New York's first round picks.

Orlando's second round pick goes to Cleveland per the Justin Harper deal.


Still cant believe that we owe Cle another pick, which will be a high 2nd rounder. We need those, Rob does great work in the late 2nd round, imagine with a high 2nd rounder! Wonder if they buy one.

At least we get another first rounder. There is good chance of getting a late teens pick.


I think that pick could very well be around there since Denver and New York figure to drop off this year.

When the Harper deal was made, we knew this could really come back to sting us if Dwight left. It really hurts since this is a deep draft.
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Post#1411 » by dsg2021 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:12 pm

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Two.

Orlando's own first round pick
Less favorable of Denver and New York's first round picks.

Orlando's second round pick goes to Cleveland per the Justin Harper deal.


Still cant believe that we owe Cle another pick, which will be a high 2nd rounder. We need those, Rob does great work in the late 2nd round, imagine with a high 2nd rounder! Wonder if they buy one.

At least we get another first rounder. There is good chance of getting a late teens pick.


I think that pick could very well be around there since Denver and New York figure to drop off this year.

When the Harper deal was made, we knew this could really come back to sting us if Dwight left. It really hurts since this is a deep draft.


+1
It sucks to lose a valuable low 30's pick in this draft but an extra 1st rounder is great. The Lakers 1st rounder owed to the Magic down the line should likely happen and could be also be another great pick. It has only top 1-5/1-3 protections for a 3 year window and its a pick the Lakers lose out on haha.
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Post#1412 » by Howard Mass » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:14 pm

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Still cant believe that we owe Cle another pick, which will be a high 2nd rounder. We need those, Rob does great work in the late 2nd round, imagine with a high 2nd rounder! Wonder if they buy one.

At least we get another first rounder. There is good chance of getting a late teens pick.


I think that pick could very well be around there since Denver and New York figure to drop off this year.

When the Harper deal was made, we knew this could really come back to sting us if Dwight left. It really hurts since this is a deep draft.


+1
It sucks to lose a valuable low 30's pick in this draft but an extra 1st rounder is great. The Lakers 1st rounder owed to the Magic down the line is also still projected to happen and could be a goldmine pick. It has only top 1-5/1-3 protections for a 3 year window and its a pick the Lakers lose out on haha.


Definitely.

That Philadelphia pick sometime likely around 2017 or 2018 could be a nice mid-round pick as well.
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Post#1413 » by Catledge » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:26 pm

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I think that pick could very well be around there since Denver and New York figure to drop off this year.

When the Harper deal was made, we knew this could really come back to sting us if Dwight left. It really hurts since this is a deep draft.


+1
It sucks to lose a valuable low 30's pick in this draft but an extra 1st rounder is great. The Lakers 1st rounder owed to the Magic down the line is also still projected to happen and could be a goldmine pick. It has only top 1-5/1-3 protections for a 3 year window and its a pick the Lakers lose out on haha.


Definitely.

That Philadelphia pick sometime likely around 2017 or 2018 could be a nice mid-round pick as well.


I'm happy to find yet another reason to bash Otis, but a second rounder for next year seems extremely unlikely to be terribly consequential. That pick would have to be the third rookie to make the team (assuming we don't trade either of the first rounders), and assuming he made the team, he would be third in line for garbage minutes on a team that would probably be pretty deep. Assuming we trade Meer and BBD, that second round pick would have to scrap for minutes behind Dipo, AA, Hark, Harris, Nicholson, Vooch, Moore, Lamb, probable FA signing, first-rounder #1, and first-rounder #2.
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Post#1414 » by Howard Mass » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:37 pm

Catledge wrote:
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+1
It sucks to lose a valuable low 30's pick in this draft but an extra 1st rounder is great. The Lakers 1st rounder owed to the Magic down the line is also still projected to happen and could be a goldmine pick. It has only top 1-5/1-3 protections for a 3 year window and its a pick the Lakers lose out on haha.


Definitely.

That Philadelphia pick sometime likely around 2017 or 2018 could be a nice mid-round pick as well.


I'm happy to find yet another reason to bash Otis, but a second rounder for next year seems extremely unlikely to be terribly consequential. That pick would have to be the third rookie to make the team (assuming we don't trade either of the first rounders), and assuming he made the team, he would be third in line for garbage minutes on a team that would probably be pretty deep. Assuming we trade Meer and BBD, that second round pick would have to scrap for minutes behind Dipo, AA, Hark, Harris, Nicholson, Vooch, Moore, Lamb, probable FA signing, first-rounder #1, and first-rounder #2.


Well, that pick could be used to stash someone overseas or maybe even trade for a future pick.

I recall one draft, the rights to Omar Cook a second round pick were traded for a future first.

At worst, you can get a couple of good future seconds.

After all, look what Cleveland got for Justin Harper.

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Post#1415 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:40 pm

Catledge wrote:
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dsg2021 wrote:
+1
It sucks to lose a valuable low 30's pick in this draft but an extra 1st rounder is great. The Lakers 1st rounder owed to the Magic down the line is also still projected to happen and could be a goldmine pick. It has only top 1-5/1-3 protections for a 3 year window and its a pick the Lakers lose out on haha.


Definitely.

That Philadelphia pick sometime likely around 2017 or 2018 could be a nice mid-round pick as well.


I'm happy to find yet another reason to bash Otis, but a second rounder for next year seems extremely unlikely to be terribly consequential. That pick would have to be the third rookie to make the team (assuming we don't trade either of the first rounders), and assuming he made the team, he would be third in line for garbage minutes on a team that would probably be pretty deep. Assuming we trade Meer and BBD, that second round pick would have to scrap for minutes behind Dipo, AA, Hark, Harris, Nicholson, Vooch, Moore, Lamb, probable FA signing, first-rounder #1, and first-rounder #2.


I do agree that having that Den/NY pick does lessen then sting of not having what should be a high 2nd rounder. But I hate giving up assets. We need to have all the assets we can get, Rob knows how to maneuver them.

Like mentioned, the LA and Philly picks could be awesome for us. With the new Lakers management, that seems out of touch, who knows whats going to happen, and with Kobe on his way out and if they get screwed on FA, aka Lebron doesn't sign with them, they could be screwed for years. With Philly, they can go either way. They could be terrible for years if they don't draft right.
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Post#1416 » by Magicalltheway » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:12 pm

I'd love it if someone could outline our draft possibilites for the next 5 years. thank you.
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Post#1417 » by nicnac215 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:25 pm

Hearing that Gordon Hayward might receive a larger contract than Favors scares me, because I think Tobias will want similar $ to Hayward and I don't want the magic to overpay.
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Post#1418 » by tranjSAIC » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:31 pm

Sakuragi_ wrote:Hello wolves fan here.

What would you guys want for Harkless?

Honestly you guys don't have anything that we would want (ie Your not giving up love or rubio, lol)
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Post#1419 » by KingRobb02 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:56 pm

nicnac215 wrote:Hearing that Gordon Hayward might receive a larger contract than Favors scares me, because I think Tobias will want similar $ to Hayward and I don't want the magic to overpay.

Hate to think the Jazz are locking themselves into that core for around 40M per year once Kanter signs.
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Post#1420 » by Gomagic44 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:33 pm

What other choice does Utah have? All in on those 3 sounds better than Toronto paying gay, nyk paying amare. If it doesn't work out, great draft picks. If it does, maybe they have a great core to add a nice FA or two.

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