2023 Orlando Magic Draft Day Thread (#6, #11): THE DAY IS HERE!

[Howard Mass]

We traded pick 36 at 10:44pm

Much later than previous years when The Magic would do it hours before The Draft.

Thank you Mr Howard!! Hows post-Publix life going good sir??

Umm..., I work at RealGM.

[Knightro]

I’m pretty convinced the Magic were going to move down from 11 to 13, still taking Howard at 13, with the Raptors coming up for Wallace.

But OKC wanted Wallace and scooped them.

[Knightro]

I’m pretty convinced the Magic were going to move down from 11 to 13, still taking Howard at 13, with the Raptors coming up for Wallace.

But OKC wanted Wallace and scooped them.

I don’t think they’d have gotten all that much either, probably a couple of future 2nds.

[D12VCMagic]

I’m pretty convinced the Magic were going to move down from 11 to 13, still taking Howard at 13, with the Raptors coming up for Wallace.

But OKC wanted Wallace and scooped them.

I don’t think they’d have gotten all that much either, probably a couple of future 2nds.

More cash going into the DeVos family pockets for years to come!

[Magic4champ]

I am ok with Black and Jett. The FO evaluation is far more comprehensive. They prove us all wrong with the Franz pick. Hope Jett and Black can prove themselves and make the FO look genius.

[fendilim]

Black Jett is nice. Good haul

[pepe1991]

[neuraldarwinism]

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[pepe1991]

draft winners: Hornets, Spurs, Pacers. Walker only made sense in top 10 for them.

Amen being passed by Houston was always BS rumor.
Washington may got bit smarter and broke down roster, they are still dumb as bricks when it comes to draft. They will probably trade Coulibaly for nothing after 3 years like they did with Hachimura.

[Redwood]

We should hire you…


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Can I do worse than nearly every player across the past 23 years being a bust, injury prone, or playing elsewhere after a couple of seasons?

Nope.

Do you know how many coaches this team have come and gone the last twenty three years? 11

Different coaches will bring in different staff members including scouts to research the next set of players who best fit these respective coaches system. Again, the system is not suited and booted to be righteous all the time. You also have to keep in mind you will run across some coaches who simply do not care to develop players for the sake of the teams future. Doc Rivers and Scott Skiles for example are notorious for not placing emphasis on player development. Any rookie who gets drafted to team with a coach who thinks like these two do, you can forget it. That rookie is all but screwed at this point. That goes to how the system creates issues from different aspects.

Since you stated earlier that this team needs to change their drafting philosophy from the years of failures, what ideas would you suggest?

Our number of coaches over the years is tied directly to our inability to draft well. Bad teams change coaches more frequently than good teams. And if you don't draft well you're going to be a bad team, it all goes hand in hand. Outside of the Shaq/Penny and Dwight eras the Magic have mostly been a bad team. We're also really bad at keeping our star players, for whatever reason.

I don't know if it's a philosophy problem, scouts rely on talent just as players do and perhaps we're not employing the most talented scouts. All I know is if you have a poor track record in the draft, over a long period of years, something isn't working properly. I'm not in that building so it's impossible for me to say what the dynamic is, I just know we need to do better. Banchero and Wagner are a good start, the draft tonight felt like "the same old Magic" but perhaps 2-3 seasons from now we'll have two quality NBA players.

This is why I'm strongly in favor of trading picks for proven talent if the opportunity presents itself, especially when your building blocks are already on the roster. There was already talk of trading one of our guards because of the logjam we have, and then we go and draft two more. Proven talent and veteran leadership, IMO, have a higher likelihood of helping this team than two more young players with question marks. Time will tell.

[KillMonger]

when is summer league?

[drsd]

Ewww... Oh well, in WeHam we trust, I guess. But I don't like this pick.

Some positives about Black:
- High free throw rate
- Excellent BBIQ/Awareness
- Makes teammates better
- Positional size opens up many defensive schemes.

In the vote draft interview, Weltman was clear that he drafted skill over "upside". He views Black's skill as elite defense. In that it sounds like he will compete for minutes behind Suggs, and not Fultz.

Time for research

I was super-bummed this time last year, did my "research", and then got really excited by the pick. I am sure that in 24 hours I will convince myself this was exactly the right choice (I'm not there yet though).

I did prefer others but I like this pick.

Welcome to Orlando Anthony Black.

This pick feels like the Magic plans to make some structural changes. I assume that starts with shipping Anthony. And that Suggs is currently the starter - with G-Harrris to be waived/traded.

I really can't see a Suggs/Black bench backcourt: in 2023/24. Maybe next year, but this year, can that possibly work?

[SOUL]

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All that matters in drafting is recency with the front office.

Relative to draft position:

Paolo and Wagner are A drafts.
Cole and Suggs are probably B. Maybe C+ for Suggs but he's close.
Isaac on talent is a B, injuries are D for damn unfortunate
Okeke is probably a D, Bamba was a D
These guys are unknown

They've really been fine, 2 duds, 1 guy in Suggs who disappointed rookie year but showed valuable two way stuff last year, Cole being solid, Isaac's defense being a all-team defense gamechanger before he wrecked his stuff, Paolo and Wagner balling. BIg fat F in the 2nd round but let's not act like they've been incompetent drafters.

I'd say where they're just incomplete completely is in free agency. They usually sign one great contract and one head scratcher, and haven't gone after any big fish yet.

[drsd]

Seems like a horrible pick for the rebuilding Wiz

[drsd]

I have no idea how a) we determined that Jett was a better selection that Dick and b) how we didn’t trade back after settling on Jett. Just baffling. There is absolutely no way we couldn’t have jumped back to grab him. Really disappointing evening.

Welman was clear: upside.

In particular it was stated that Howard played injured and was actually a better player.

But I got lost in the defense of "let's draft the injured guy".

[shadrock]

Can someone help me understand what OKC were doing by trading from 12 to 10 to pick a PG in Cason Wallace, who was very very unlikely to be taken by us at 11 anyway?

[pepe1991]

I have no idea how a) we determined that Jett was a better selection that Dick and b) how we didn’t trade back after settling on Jett. Just baffling. There is absolutely no way we couldn’t have jumped back to grab him. Really disappointing evening.

Welman was clear: upside.

In particular it was stated that Howard played injured and was actually a better player.

But I got lost in the defense of "let's draft the injured guy".

You mean Dick gets all the white -lite-racism stereotypes knocks: just shooter, not athletic, and Jett fits perfeclly into every white- stereotypes : unathletic, can't move feet, doesn't guard space, is bullied by bigger players, can't rebound, but is okey passer and good shooter - just happends to be black?


In reality Dick is way more versitale than people give him credit ,and Jett is way less versitale than now people are trying to project him to be. Jett is stand still-spot up shooter without any clear strenght beside shooting, plus he can't play anything but SF ( but will probably struggle there as well since he can't defend athletic SFs) and maybe some PFs , if you can work away fact he can't rebound to save his life nor is interested in doing so, rather has habbit of leaking in transition. Like i don't know, having Gobert or some Deandre Jordan next to him to grab 15 out of potential 18 rebounds.

Our army of " no clear skill ,but 6'8 " got new warrior: Okeke, iwundu; Frazier, Houstan, Jefferson, Martin, Bj Johnson, Jamel Artis. All of same type. All in desparation for Middelton 2 from Hammond's glory Bucks days, when he could draft but couldn't build rosters.

[drsd]

Anthony Black and Jett Howard. Ugh. I have more confidence in Howard. Not impressed with Black AT ALL. This draft lost my interest quick.

I also think Howard has more upside than Black.

[drsd]

I have no idea how a) we determined that Jett was a better selection that Dick and b) how we didn’t trade back after settling on Jett. Just baffling. There is absolutely no way we couldn’t have jumped back to grab him. Really disappointing evening.

Welman was clear: upside.

In particular it was stated that Howard played injured and was actually a better player.

But I got lost in the defense of "let's draft the injured guy".

You mean Dick gets all the white -lite-racism stereotypes knocks: just shooter, not athletic, and Jett fits perfeclly into every white- stereotypes : unathletic, can't move feet, doesn't guard space, is bullied by bigger players, can't rebound, but is okey passer and good shooter - just happends to be black?


In reality Dick is way more versitale than people give him credit ,and Jett is way less versitale than now people are trying to project him to be. Jett is stand still-spot up shooter without any clear strenght beside shooting, plus he can't play anything but SF ( but will probably struggle there as well since he can't defend athletic SFs) and maybe some PFs , if you can work away fact he can't rebound to save his life nor is interested in doing so, rather has habbit of leaking in transition. Like i don't know, having Gobert or some Deandre Jordan next to him to grab 15 out of potential 18 rebounds.


Basically, we drafted Caleb Houstan 2. Idnetical set of problems, nothing new added to a team.

I had Dick at 6, so of course I agree with you!

In Weltman we trust ???


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[Redwood]

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All that matters in drafting is recency with the front office.

Relative to draft position:

Paolo and Wagner are A drafts.
Cole and Suggs are probably B. Maybe C+ for Suggs but he's close.
Isaac on talent is a B, injuries are D for damn unfortunate
Okeke is probably a D, Bamba was a D
These guys are unknown

They've really been fine, 2 duds, 1 guy in Suggs who disappointed rookie year but showed valuable two way stuff last year, Cole being solid, Isaac's defense being a all-team defense gamechanger before he wrecked his stuff, Paolo and Wagner balling. BIg fat F in the 2nd round but let's not act like they've been incompetent drafters.

I'd say where they're just incomplete completely is in free agency. They usually sign one great contract and one head scratcher, and haven't gone after any big fish yet.

I'm not sure how many people would agree with you on Suggs being a B, or even a C...but I know I'm not one of them. Cole I'm giving a C because all he can do is score and he's not as good at it as he thinks he is, which is why he takes so many horrid shots. To me Suggs is an F until proven otherwise. He hasn't remotely lived up to his draft slot and his ceiling, for me, is a C until he learns how to shoot. This upcoming season is going to tell us what we need to know about him.