Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

[rcklsscognition]

Not exactly. They hold back a year to get a college scholarship and hype, then in high school they reclassify again and become seniors, when they are really juniors and classified as sophmores. So in the end, they come out and are 1 year younger than they really are. For instance, they're really high school seniors in their first year in college when all is said and done.

Here's how it works:

Middle school player in 7th grade decides to stay in 7th grade another year. They are an 8th grader playing 7th graders, 9th grader playing 8th graders. Then, they go to high school and are a 10th grader playing 9th graders, 11th grader playing 10th graders. At that point, they then re-classify as a senior that year. They jump two grades and actually jump over their real grade. So in college, they're really high school seniors that are playing as college freshment.

[Truth24]

You also have to think about this they might play one or two years against younger competition when they repeat the 8th and go into the 9th. Yet most of these guys played varisty basketball for three years and some since they were freshmen so they really play against guys there age most of the time. This is just a ploy used to get hype around them similar to going the AAU route. I'm surprised not many people knew about this, I mean we have been hearing about players reclassifying for a long time. Although not a lot of people follow high school basketball or college basketball that might anymore.

[OrlandO]

Not exactly. They hold back a year to get a college scholarship and hype, then in high school they reclassify again and become seniors, when they are really juniors and classified as sophmores. So in the end, they come out and are 1 year younger than they really are. For instance, they're really high school seniors in their first year in college when all is said and done.

Here's how it works:

Middle school player in 7th grade decides to stay in 7th grade another year. They are an 8th grader playing 7th graders, 9th grader playing 8th graders. Then, they go to high school and are a 10th grader playing 9th graders, 11th grader playing 10th graders. At that point, they then re-classify as a senior that year. They jump two grades and actually jump over their real grade. So in college, they're really high school seniors that are playing as college freshment.

I haven't really thought about this whole thing... I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but the math is not adding up to me. Noel basically just turned 18 when he went to college, just like most people who attend. Same with Wiggins turning 18 a few months ago and will go to college this fall. From what I understand, they reclassify to get back into their original graduating HS class, not jump an extra grade. Noel reclassified February 2012, Wiggins reclassified October 2012. Like you said though, it's to build hype, get scholarships and get a competitive physical/mental advantage early, in the end it doesn't matter since they're caught up and have to face same aged kids as freshman in college. And towards the end of their HS careers, they're facing the best competition anyway regardless of what grade they're listed as.

Shabbazz on the other hand... he chose to keep the advantage and played an extra year in high school instead of reclassifying and joining his original class i think.

[BelgianMagic]

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[LBPTarHeel27]

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I would rather him have gone to Atlanta but Dallas was going to be a bad team as well. This will certainly keep them out of bottom 5 contention.

[KingRobb02]

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I would rather him have gone to Atlanta but Dallas was going to be a bad team as well. This will certainly keep them out of bottom 5 contention.

Don't sleep on the Hawks, they will be in the top 4 seeds assuming they get Jennings or Teague to run the point. Right now, the Monta signing is just posturing for whoever gets him until mid-December when New York panics and trades Chandler for him. Our misguided fears of other teams being bad is unnecessary for now.

[LBPTarHeel27]

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I would rather him have gone to Atlanta but Dallas was going to be a bad team as well. This will certainly keep them out of bottom 5 contention.

Don't sleep on the Hawks, they will be in the top 4 seeds assuming they get Jennings or Teague to run the point. Right now, the Monta signing is just posturing for whoever gets him until mid-December when New York panics and trades Chandler for him. Our misguided fears of other teams being bad is unnecessary for now.

You are kidding right? You think they will be better than any two of the Nets, Knicks, Heat, Pacers, or Bulls? They've gotten worse this offseason...not better. They are currently on the playoff bubble in my mind.

[Swiftraven]

Not exactly. They hold back a year to get a college scholarship and hype, then in high school they reclassify again and become seniors, when they are really juniors and classified as sophmores. So in the end, they come out and are 1 year younger than they really are. For instance, they're really high school seniors in their first year in college when all is said and done.

Here's how it works:

Middle school player in 7th grade decides to stay in 7th grade another year. They are an 8th grader playing 7th graders, 9th grader playing 8th graders. Then, they go to high school and are a 10th grader playing 9th graders, 11th grader playing 10th graders. At that point, they then re-classify as a senior that year. They jump two grades and actually jump over their real grade. So in college, they're really high school seniors that are playing as college freshment.

You seem jump them one too many grades if i am reading what you are saying correctly (though it just may be semantics and we are both "right"). They never end up above their original target graduating class.

They stay back in 7th grade and repeat it. They are behind their targeted year until they are a sophmore (ie they should be in 11th but are in 10th). They then take summer classes to be able to essentially do their junio year during the summer and reclassify which allows them to skip their junior year and become seniors, which is where they would have been if they had not stayed back in middle school. They end up graduating with their appropriate class.

Not a whole lot do this though. The majority just go ahead and stick through all 4 years of HS being a year behind their original graduating class.

[rcklsscognition]

Not exactly. They hold back a year to get a college scholarship and hype, then in high school they reclassify again and become seniors, when they are really juniors and classified as sophmores. So in the end, they come out and are 1 year younger than they really are. For instance, they're really high school seniors in their first year in college when all is said and done.

Here's how it works:

Middle school player in 7th grade decides to stay in 7th grade another year. They are an 8th grader playing 7th graders, 9th grader playing 8th graders. Then, they go to high school and are a 10th grader playing 9th graders, 11th grader playing 10th graders. At that point, they then re-classify as a senior that year. They jump two grades and actually jump over their real grade. So in college, they're really high school seniors that are playing as college freshment.

I haven't really thought about this whole thing... I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but the math is not adding up to me. Noel basically just turned 18 when he went to college, just like most people who attend. Same with Wiggins turning 18 a few months ago and will go to college this fall. From what I understand, they reclassify to get back into their original graduating HS class, not jump an extra grade. Noel reclassified February 2012, Wiggins reclassified October 2012. Like you said though, it's to build hype, get scholarships and get a competitive physical/mental advantage early, in the end it doesn't matter since they're caught up and have to face same aged kids as freshman in college. And towards the end of their HS careers, they're facing the best competition anyway regardless of what grade they're listed as.

Shabbazz on the other hand... he chose to keep the advantage and played an extra year in high school instead of reclassifying and joining his original class i think.

You're right, I didn't hear him right.

[Noonskadoodle]

College bar in Indiana handed these out.

[KingRobb02]

You are kidding right? You think they will be better than any two of the Nets, Knicks, Heat, Pacers, or Bulls? They've gotten worse this offseason...not better. They are currently on the playoff bubble in my mind.

-Half kidding about the trade, but I do think the Knicks will struggle to get to 40 wins based on the number of no defense, no rebounding gunners they will be giving minutes to.
-I am not sure why you think the Hawks are worse than last year's team. Milsap is an upgrade over Smith (not overall, but in terms of his fit on the team) and Lou Williams is actually healthy this year. What did they lose that will make them take a step back?
-Two things have me down on the Bulls. 1) Thibs runs these guys into the ground, and I think Luol Deng's legs might fall off, and 2) I hear that their cheap owner probably forces a Boozer trade this year. Noah is hurt every year, and Rose is probably worth around 3 more wins than the missing Bellinelli/Robinson combo. They will probably be around 48 wins again. Not an insult, but this isn't the juggernaut from a couple years ago. They cheaped out on Asik, and they are still paying for it. unless you love a bench of Nazr and Hinrich.
-Pacers? They were extremely lucky with health last season, and I can't hold that against them. They are probably number two after the Heat. I think the Hawks are battling with New Jersey for 3 and 4 spot. Anyone who saw KG during the regular season last year understands why I am down on the Nets as a regular season team. AK47 helps my opinion of them (assuming he's healthy). Basically my problem with them is you have a bunch of guys past their prime who are another year older. I think that they will be around 42-44 wins.

That's my basic reasoning on how they Hawks are fighting for home court in April.

[rcklsscognition]

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[MagicFan32]

3 years at 30 for Ellis is a good deal imo.

as of now here's my lineup for next season
C: Vucevic/KOQ
PF: BBD/Nicholson/Osby
SF: Harris/Harkless/Jones
SG: Afflalo/Oladipo/Moore
PG: Nelson/Lamb/Moore

This assumes Harrington and Hedo both bought out.
2 roster spots open, based on SL. I'd definitely invite AJ Slaughter to camp. I think Lawal could get an invite as well.

Am I missing anyone? It's obvious to me that Afflalo is going to get moved by the TDL to open up minutes for Lamb and VO. BBD we are stuck with until he can show he's able to play.

I see VO and Lamb splitting minutes in the backcourt sharing pg duties. our defense is going to be really bad next season

[thelead]

3 years at 30 for Ellis is a good deal imo.

as of now here's my lineup for next season
C: Vucevic/KOQ
PF: BBD/Nicholson/Osby
SF: Harris/Harkless/Jones
SG: Afflalo/Oladipo/Moore
PG: Nelson/Lamb/Moore

This assumes Harrington and Hedo both bought out.
2 roster spots open, based on SL. I'd definitely invite AJ Slaughter to camp. I think Lawal could get an invite as well.

Am I missing anyone? It's obvious to me that Afflalo is going to get moved by the TDL to open up minutes for Lamb and VO. BBD we are stuck with until he can show he's able to play.

I see VO and Lamb splitting minutes in the backcourt sharing pg duties. our defense is going to be really bad next season

The more and more I think about Rob and JV's style, the more I think Oladipo will be the starting PG (if possible) or the starting SG. When they come to the conclusion that Oladipo is a SG (if that's the decision) I expect Afflalo will be shipped out ASAP.

I don't think Rob wants to see Oladipo on the bench.

[MagicFan32]

I think we start Oladipo in a 6 man role and hope to build up Nelson and Afflalo's trade values, just a guess

[Noonskadoodle]

Best shooters from each spot breakdown

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... t-shooters

[trebone]

Ellis must feel like an idiot turning down the 3/36 EXTENSION on the already 11 he was slated to make next season

[KingRobb02]

Best shooters from each spot breakdown

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... t-shooters

Nice. Thanks for sharing.

[KingRobb02]

Ellis must feel like an idiot turning down the 3/36 EXTENSION on the already 11 he was slated to make next season

Probably hated Milwaukee. Had to be another slap in the face when they traded for JJ instead of going for Josh Smith.

[trebone]

The more I look at Dallas the more I think BBD would be a nice get for them, they have no size whatsoever, unless they think they can play Dirk at the 5 and Marion at the 4 full time?

Calderon/Harris/Larkin
Monta/Beabuois
Carter/marion
Dirk
?