Official Draft Thread 3: Picks #4 and #12

[swarlesbarkley]

BS. I watched him plenty. I don't talk about players I don't watch. I'm not saying he can't be good but he surely didn't show much stardom at IU.

Are there any stats out there about a player becoming a star in the NBA after his team didn't even make the NIT tournament?

Not picking on you but,I hate when people judge the value of players based on their team's success or failure. I think the of judging the prospect not the school. If the team didn't do too well, the prospect's play factor in, but shouldn't influence picks.

Haha, no problem man. I was being sassy anyway. I just prefer almost everyone in the top 10 over Vonleh.

[InFlames]

Oh dear not excited at all about Ennis.

[Howard Mass]

I think there is a second move coming after the Afflalo deal. The deal creates more capspace/flexibility.

I like Evan Fournier and do feel he will be a nice swingman for this team. He also played some point guard last year in Denver.

Getting the 56th pick makes the second round interesting.

In the end, I think Fournier is going to be a good pick but you wonder two things.

1) Is this the best deal they could have gotten for Afflalo?

2) If they liked him so much, why not take him over Andrew Nicholson in 2012?

[Idunkonyou2]

Exum or Embiid is what I believe we will take. Leaning more towards with Embiid with the AA trade.

I don't really know how the Afflalo trade changes anything. There was always a good chance he got dealt this offseason.

There is no way we pass on Embiid if he is there, who was projected #1 until his foot. He may still go #1, meaning we will get Exum.

If neither one is there, which I find hard to believe, that means Parker or Wiggins fell to us. Either way, the Magic are coming out winning this draft. The only other player I might take at #4 is Gordon who is an athletic freak and can play either SF or PF.

[Blues]

Are there any stats out there about a player becoming a star in the NBA after his team didn't even make the NIT tournament?

Not picking on you but,I hate when people judge the value of players based on their team's success or failure. I think the of judging the prospect not the school. If the team didn't do too well, the prospect's play factor in, but shouldn't influence picks.

Haha, no problem man. I was being sassy anyway. I just prefer almost everyone in the top 10 over Vonleh.

Me too, dude! I'm hoping that Philly likes the idea of Vonleh or Embiid more than Exum

[mr2good]

I tend to agree. I love Vonleh's upside and think he is an ideal fit in Orlando next to Vuc.

honest question, why is he an ideal fit? He isnt a shot blocker and many scouts say he has low BBIQ. that doesnt scream to me an ideal fit next to Vuc.

He averaged almost twice the blocks of Randle and Gordon last year. He's certainly more of a shot blocker than the other elite PF prospects in this draft.

[pelican piranha]

I tend to agree. I love Vonleh's upside and think he is an ideal fit in Orlando next to Vuc.

honest question, why is he an ideal fit? He isnt a shot blocker and many scouts say he has low BBIQ. that doesnt scream to me an ideal fit next to Vuc.

He averaged almost twice the blocks of Randle and Gordon last year. He's certainly more of a shot blocker than the other elite PF prospects in this draft.

I'd take Randle or Gordon over him any day. He's not going to be good.

[thelead]

I tend to agree. I love Vonleh's upside and think he is an ideal fit in Orlando next to Vuc.

honest question, why is he an ideal fit? He isnt a shot blocker and many scouts say he has low BBIQ. that doesnt scream to me an ideal fit next to Vuc.

He averaged almost twice the blocks of Randle and Gordon last year. He's certainly more of a shot blocker than the other elite PF prospects in this draft.

He blocks shots because he's long but you really want a rim protector that knows how to rotate and play team defense. That isn't Vonleh's forte right now.

[OrlandoMagic]

If we pick Embiid I hope its to trade him to either Boston or LA for their pick plus another player

[orlando1214]

He blocks shots because he's long but you really want a rim protector that knows how to rotate and play team defense. That isn't Vonleh's forte right now.

Yeah I agree. If you watch him play a lot of his blocks were simply because he was playing against smaller players in college, this won't be the case in the NBA. Also, like you said he doesn't really rotate or play team defense well.

[bigmoe1952]

Posts like these make me

You must amuse easily. Watch what happens. We have a much better shot at Embiid then we do Exum. Unless we trade up.
Rarely do all these trade scenario's and rumors materialize. If that is hilarious, knock yourself out.

It is, thanks

Obviously you are an adolescent. It is sad you can not post on here without some wiseguy teen replying with nonsense. And not even addressing the substance of your post. No need to reply to you anymore today. I am sure your parents will be putting you down to beddy-by soon.

I apologize to others for posting this reply but why can't we all express our opinions and thoughts without getting the smarmy wisecracks?

Now Henny...GO GET EXUM!

[tiderulz]

I tend to agree. I love Vonleh's upside and think he is an ideal fit in Orlando next to Vuc.

honest question, why is he an ideal fit? He isnt a shot blocker and many scouts say he has low BBIQ. that doesnt scream to me an ideal fit next to Vuc.

He averaged almost twice the blocks of Randle and Gordon last year. He's certainly more of a shot blocker than the other elite PF prospects in this draft.

just because he averaged more blocks than someone else, doesnt mean he is either very good at something or make him the ideal fit.

[Melvinlocker]

Are there any stats out there about a player becoming a star in the NBA after his team didn't even make the NIT tournament?

Not picking on you but,I hate when people judge the value of players based on their team's success or failure. I think the of judging the prospect not the school. If the team didn't do too well, the prospect's play factor in, but shouldn't influence picks.

Haha, no problem man. I was being sassy anyway. I just prefer almost everyone in the top 10 over Vonleh.

Yeah, I gotta say I agree with Blues here. If that is your measure for potential greatness, then Paul George is a 2 nod rounder and Taureen Green is a late first rounder. That isn't to say winning isn't important, it just isn't the primary concern when evaluating prospects and their potential IMO.

[Idunkonyou2]

So the Magic will take Embiid or Exum at 4, that is a given to me because they are worth more than any other players at that spot. They will either keep them or trade them for more. If neither one is there, then we just got Parker or Wiggins at 4. It will be interesting to see who they draft at 12.

[bigmoe1952]

Exum or Embiid is what I believe we will take. Leaning more towards with Embiid with the AA trade.

I don't really know how the Afflalo trade changes anything. There was always a good chance he got dealt this offseason.

There is no way we pass on Embiid if he is there, who was projected #1 until his foot. He may still go #1, meaning we will get Exum.

If neither one is there, which I find hard to believe, that means Parker or Wiggins fell to us. Either way, the Magic are coming out winning this draft. The only other player I might take at #4 is Gordon who is an athletic freak and can play either SF or PF.

Even without the medical info on Embiid? I am not saying we won't but that does not sound like something Hennigan would do without all the medical info from Tellum. Who knows? He may have it. It would be scarey to pick him without the info.

[BMatt07]

If theres one thing this trade guarantees, its that tobias is scoring 20 a game next year.

This trade still pisses me off as a Bucks fan.

[jrjr1229]

I think there is a second move coming after the Afflalo deal. The deal creates more capspace/flexibility.

I like Evan Fournier and do feel he will be a nice swingman for this team. He also played some point guard last year in Denver.

Getting the 56th pick makes the second round interesting.

In the end, I think Fournier is going to be a good pick but you wonder two things.

1) Is this the best deal they could have gotten for Afflalo?

2) If they liked him so much, why not take him over Andrew Nicholson in 2012?

1) must be
2) because they only had 1 pick and had two choose between the two...

I like Henni farming skills...

he writes down guys that he likes in his note book...
in a year or two, sell pigs and chickens he grows in his farm to get his prize.

[LetItRain]

I was just looking at the ESPN blog where they are going over all the suits and fashion things the players are wearing to the draft. Has anybody ever worn a cape? Because that needs to be done.

[MrShow]

exum

He's this unknown quantity that a number of people have formed a circle jerk around.

[LetItRain]

and i'm not talking like a little side shoulder cape, I mean something batman-esque: long, flowing, rippling in the wind.