The Official Paolo Banchero Thread: 2022-2023 NBA Rookie of the Year

[jonbob17]

Wow that is a big change. I had looked at the RAPTOR Defensive last week, and Mathurin was like one of the ten worst in the league in Defesnsive Raptor. He must have had a solid week statistically.

Okeke is amongst the worst in defense, actually some weird ones in there, Justin Holiday, Josh Richardson, Tyus Jones is worst. Jakob Poetl is 4th worst in defense. Usually RAPTOR defense skews towards big men and blocks, and everyone loves Poeltls D. I wonder if they tweeked the algorithm this year.

As of today 11/8...

Rookie RAPTOR
1. Jake LaRavia +2.9
2. Andrew Nembhard +2.4
3. Paolo Banchero +1.2
4. Tari Eason +1.2
5. Bennedict Mathurin +0.7

Although if you bump the minimum minutes requirements up just a nudge, Banchero moves to No. 1.

Jabari Smith Jr is dead last among rookies at -7.1

They should rename the RAPTOR the Jokic, who I suspect it would rate as the GOAT, and the metrics might be right.

Also the craziest RAPTOR results so far this year is how high the output Steph and Luka are on the offensive end. They are both around 12.7 where the highest since 2013 has been Steph's 2015-16 season when he made 402 threes (offense RAPTOR 10.4).

Steph this year is shooting 63% on 2s, and his True shooting is 69%. Insane efficiency.
Luka 36ppg on 63% TS with 8.5 rebounds and assists...

I still suspect Jokic has the most productive season this year, but if Luka goes 30+/8/8, I guess he's getting his first MVP.

To your point on Paolo, he's got a WAR lead on Mathurin, which measures total productivity. RAPTOR is just based productivity while in the game, (not minutes based)

[dsg2021]

This is the first time I have watched every single Magic game to start a season since maybe Dwight's time here. And it's because of Paolo Banchero. He is my favorite player already, and watching him as this bully-type point forward getting 20-30 points & 4 assists a game is really something to see.

So anytime one of my two favorite players are on the floor, Banchero and Isaac, my eyes are be glued to the action. Franz in his own point forward-to-scoring forward-and-back role, with those euro step, finger roll drives and fadeaway jumpers, is basically starting to be a must-watch too.

And Suggs and Bol are really something to see at times too. I suspect Fultz might be as well. It's tough to dislike anyone on this current roster as well.

[basketballRob]

So Paolo is out with an ankle sprain?

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[Knightro]

So Paolo is out with an ankle sprain?

Officially questionable.

[tooler]

I'm not looking forward to experiencing a Magic game without Paolo in it.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Rookie Latter week 4
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-nov-9-2022-edition

[yoyojw17]

Wow that is a big change. I had looked at the RAPTOR Defensive last week, and Mathurin was like one of the ten worst in the league in Defesnsive Raptor. He must have had a solid week statistically.

Okeke is amongst the worst in defense, actually some weird ones in there, Justin Holiday, Josh Richardson, Tyus Jones is worst. Jakob Poetl is 4th worst in defense. Usually RAPTOR defense skews towards big men and blocks, and everyone loves Poeltls D. I wonder if they tweeked the algorithm this year.

As of today 11/8...

Rookie RAPTOR
1. Jake LaRavia +2.9
2. Andrew Nembhard +2.4
3. Paolo Banchero +1.2
4. Tari Eason +1.2
5. Bennedict Mathurin +0.7

Although if you bump the minimum minutes requirements up just a nudge, Banchero moves to No. 1.

Jabari Smith Jr is dead last among rookies at -7.1

Haven't heard much of a peep from those that criticized cuz we didn't get Smith.... lol.... not saying that this is the trajectory of his career... but damn i well know this board would be burning down right now if our selection was doing the same. lol

[tooler]

Rookie Latter week 4
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-nov-9-2022-edition

It's bizarre they're using totals instead of per-game stats for Banchero. He leads in those too but either way it's silly to use totals.

[RookieStar]

So Paolo is out with an ankle sprain?

Officially questionable.

Did he really sprain it? Was there a vid or was he even limping?

Or maybe we are tuning up the Web-Tank?

[Kent]

So Paolo is out with an ankle sprain?

Officially questionable.

Did he really sprain it? Was there a vid or was he even limping?

Or maybe we are tuning up the Web-Tank?

We're 2-9 against the 6-3 Mavs. As good as Paulo is, the Mavs were still favored to win.

No point in playing if it's not close to 100% and risking serious injury.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

So Paolo is out with an ankle sprain?

Officially questionable.

Did he really sprain it? Was there a vid or was he even limping?

Or maybe we are tuning up the Web-Tank?

He rolled his ankle after he made a shot, held it and then got up really quickly. There is a video of him hugging Jabari Smith Jr after the game and Jabari told him to “get his ankle right”.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Rookie Latter week 4
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-nov-9-2022-edition

It's bizarre they're using totals instead of per-game stats for Banchero. He leads in those too but either way it's silly to use totals.

They have points per game during the ranking for all the players.

[fendilim]

Rookie Latter week 4
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-nov-9-2022-edition

It's bizarre they're using totals instead of per-game stats for Banchero. He leads in those too but either way it's silly to use totals.

Possibly to hype him up and show he’s made soooo much

[drsd]

..

Well, Banchero can always come off the bench behind Isaac when healthy.

Spoiler:

[jonbob17]

Haven't heard much of a peep from those that criticized cuz we didn't get Smith.... lol.... not saying that this is the trajectory of his career... but damn i well know this board would be burning down right now if our selection was doing the same. lol

Yah, I think Jabari is going to be fine, but had we drafted him and Paolo took off like he has, I think I'd be ready to burn this place down. Paolo was a great pick, and I wonder how much of the Jabari #1 was the echo chamber that draft media is. So many had Jabari at 1, and it probably should have been pretty clear he should have been 3. He's never created for himself other than 1 dribble pull ups. His defense looks like it will be good. He's a 3/D PF with some switchability, which is plenty valuable.

Paolo on the other hand had already proven his ability to score and create, and the defensive was said to be a black hole, but with his size and quick feet, that should have been pretty easy to project. I certainly didn't think he would be this good this quick, but what he is doing was on the tape. I didn't think he would be able to do it against grown men out of the gate, but sure enough.

It's like these guys that write prospect profiles and mock drafts care more about being right (jabari at pick 1) than being objective and contrasting these prospects properly. Wiseman seems like another terrible mainstream call. Of course on the other side of things Killian Hayes was more of a draft twitter guy that totally missed.

[ibraheim718]

The real plus minus numbers are out and Banchero leads the team at +2.13, Carter +0.93, Bol +0.61, Suggs +0.53,Wagner +0.09.

[pepe1991]

Haven't heard much of a peep from those that criticized cuz we didn't get Smith.... lol.... not saying that this is the trajectory of his career... but damn i well know this board would be burning down right now if our selection was doing the same. lol

Yah, I think Jabari is going to be fine, but had we drafted him and Paolo took off like he has, I think I'd be ready to burn this place down. Paolo was a great pick, and I wonder how much of the Jabari #1 was the echo chamber that draft media is. So many had Jabari at 1, and it probably should have been pretty clear he should have been 3. He's never created for himself other than 1 dribble pull ups. His defense looks like it will be good. He's a 3/D PF with some switchability, which is plenty valuable.

Paolo on the other hand had already proven his ability to score and create, and the defensive was said to be a black hole, but with his size and quick feet, that should have been pretty easy to project. I certainly didn't think he would be this good this quick, but what he is doing was on the tape. I didn't think he would be able to do it against grown men out of the gate, but sure enough.

It's like these guys that write prospect profiles and mock drafts care more about being right (jabari at pick 1) than being objective and contrasting these prospects properly. Wiseman seems like another terrible mainstream call. Of course on the other side of things Killian Hayes was more of a draft twitter guy that totally missed.

What do you expect from media? Objectivity? That's funny

For crying out loud, Lonzo Ball was marketed as Curry with 40 inch vertical,

Won't even go into their (media) political takes. It's all about clickbaits and controling narrative. They pretty much sell soul to a devil to be 100% biased and full of crap. I always wonder do they feel dirty writing all those stuff or they are so brainwashed that they actually belive in things they post & write.

[drsd]

Banchero on Monday became just the fifth teenager in history to record consecutive 30-point games (19 years, 360 days old) and the first since Zion Williamson in February 2020. He was the third rookie in team history to do so (Shaquille O’Neal, Dennis Scott).

[jonbob17]

Haven't heard much of a peep from those that criticized cuz we didn't get Smith.... lol.... not saying that this is the trajectory of his career... but damn i well know this board would be burning down right now if our selection was doing the same. lol

Yah, I think Jabari is going to be fine, but had we drafted him and Paolo took off like he has, I think I'd be ready to burn this place down. Paolo was a great pick, and I wonder how much of the Jabari #1 was the echo chamber that draft media is. So many had Jabari at 1, and it probably should have been pretty clear he should have been 3. He's never created for himself other than 1 dribble pull ups. His defense looks like it will be good. He's a 3/D PF with some switchability, which is plenty valuable.

Paolo on the other hand had already proven his ability to score and create, and the defensive was said to be a black hole, but with his size and quick feet, that should have been pretty easy to project. I certainly didn't think he would be this good this quick, but what he is doing was on the tape. I didn't think he would be able to do it against grown men out of the gate, but sure enough.

It's like these guys that write prospect profiles and mock drafts care more about being right (jabari at pick 1) than being objective and contrasting these prospects properly. Wiseman seems like another terrible mainstream call. Of course on the other side of things Killian Hayes was more of a draft twitter guy that totally missed.

What do you expect from media? Objectivity? That's funny

For crying out loud, Lonzo Ball was marketed as Curry with 40 inch vertical,

Won't even go into their (media) political takes. It's all about clickbaits and controling narrative. They pretty much sell soul to a devil to be 100% biased and full of crap. I always wonder do they feel dirty writing all those stuff or they are so brainwashed that they actually belive in things they post & write.

Maybe it's less about the Media and more about the public. Everyone, including most of this board, and myself, and Vegas oddsmakers, fully believed the Magic were taking Smith in the weeks leading up to the draft. Paolo was/is pretty clearly the better prospect.

The Magic were leaking they were taking Smith, but I am surprised more media and fans were not asking why. My personal wishes on the draft was that I wanted the Magic to either trade down and pick Paolo at #3, or take their guy at #1, whoever that might be. And I guess that is what they tried and what happened. I guess I bought into the hype of Smith just like everybody else, even though I recognized he didn't have the skills nor the upside of Paolo, and that the shooting/defense could outweigh that.

This is also ignoring that Chet is a fine prospect too, and could argue that he had the highest ceiling, looks silly at the moment, but his rim protection is special, with some uniques skills for a big.

Draft coverage media doesn;t have bad intentions, they are just either scared of being wrong and flock to the consensus, or they just aren't good at evaluating prep and college basketball players.

[tooler]

I was thinking of something about Paolo today. I never really paid attention to him in college so all i knew were highlight videos. Most of the clips were him fooling people with fancy footwork near the basket, but he only does that what, once per game? The rest of the time he plays like a giant wing. I never would’ve guess based on those early videos. Just thought it was interesting.