Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[basketballRob]

When you see how useful Harris is to our team, imagine how good we ll be when we improve that position

Who do you like to replace Harris?

I predict Monk will be a hot name around here this offseason

Monk will demand a ton of money and will prob look to be a starter... I do think we can start him and Suggs. His assists have skyrocketed this year. Besides Monk and maybe Grayson Allen and Klay I am not sure there is an upgrade over Gary Harris. I would not be shocked if they brought Gary back on a 1+1 deal around what he makes now.

I think we should bring back Gary and replace Fultz and his $17m slot with a good shooter. We could replace Queen and Kevon with our 1st and 2nd picks. We could either keep Chuma or replace him with another mid-level type vet on a 1 and 1 contract.

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[p0peye]

I doubt Harris has much left in the tank.

[byeganyo]

I doubt Harris has much left in the tank.

How old do you think he is?

[JoshuaPotter]

I doubt Harris has much left in the tank.

How old do you think he is?

To be fair, flame outs as players hit 30 are all too common. Lebron is quite the anomaly as well as Tim Duncan in recent memory.

Steve Francis was a great basketball player but declined super quick as his athleticism left him.

Similarly a modern example I think is Mr D Green from Golden State. I think he can't keep up with the youngsters / the pain as much as he used to and it frustrates him. So as a smokescreen to himself he lashes out.

[p0peye]

I doubt Harris has much left in the tank.

How old do you think he is?

Without looking up his birth certificate, I’d say older than me.

[mattdelray1220]

I thought they would do this too but if we do not get the likes of a Klay or Monk, the options are pretty thin. I really believe they like Gary. They obviously love Kelle. I think the same team is coming back and they will do what they did with Ingles and Moe. 1+1. Keep the flexibility in case someone becomes available that they think is the perfect fit.

At the beginning of the season I really thought we needed to consolidate and get a 3rd star but the more the season played out I do not think this is the path they are going to and should take. Mainly because I think PB is going to be a top10 player sooner than later and Suggs has taken a huge leap. I also think they have their guys already to replace Kelle (AB) Gary (Caleb) Ingles (Jett).

My thing is...

If you're going to go the 1+1 route with Fultz and Harris, two guys who aren't really that good, why not just give a two year deal to somebody actually good?

Team chemistry at some point takes a backseat to actually trying to level up and win games. The Magic aren't gonna be under the radar next season. They need to improve the weak spots on the roster from a personnel perspective.

I agree but who is this player? The FA market is super weak. Klay and Monk would be my 2 top guys.

[Knightro]

I agree but who is this player? The FA market is super weak. Klay and Monk would be my 2 top guys.

I agree with you that this free agency crop is weak, but Fultz and Harris seems like they are both towards the bottom of the list of a weak group.

Shouldn't be too terribly hard to upgrade from both of them.

Fultz -> Holiday, Russell, Monk, Jones among others.

Harris -> Brown, Thompson, Allen, Hield, Caldwell-Pope, Okoro, Melton among others.

Plus there are trades where the Magic leverage their cap space to take on the higher priced player.

Figure it out. Get creative. They can make this team MUCH better for 2024-2025 without touching the Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black core.

[eyriq]

What is the likelihood that one of Suggs, AB, or Jett develop into 3rd options?

[byeganyo]

I doubt Harris has much left in the tank.

How old do you think he is?

To be fair, flame outs as players hit 30 are all too common. Lebron is quite the anomaly as well as Tim Duncan in recent memory.

Steve Francis was a great basketball player but declined super quick as his athleticism left him.

Similarly a modern example I think is Mr D Green from Golden State. I think he can't keep up with the youngsters / the pain as much as he used to and it frustrates him. So as a smokescreen to himself he lashes out.

29 is not old in NBA terms, Dray is almost 5 years older than Gary Harris.
You are right of course that players check out at different age. TRoss was ready to stop at 32. I dont know what's going through Harris head, but age is not his problem at least for the next couple of seasons i'd say.

[JoshuaPotter]

How old do you think he is?

To be fair, flame outs as players hit 30 are all too common. Lebron is quite the anomaly as well as Tim Duncan in recent memory.

Steve Francis was a great basketball player but declined super quick as his athleticism left him.

Similarly a modern example I think is Mr D Green from Golden State. I think he can't keep up with the youngsters / the pain as much as he used to and it frustrates him. So as a smokescreen to himself he lashes out.

29 is not old in NBA terms, Dray is almost 5 years older than Gary Harris.
You are right of course that players check out at different age. TRoss was ready to stop at 32. I dont know what's going through Harris head, but age is not his problem at least for the next couple of seasons i'd say.

I mean, there is "checking out" and there is "checked out".

He is already on permanent load management. I have to say if you are there at 29 that can't bode well for a career.

I had a foot injury followed by chronic hives condition. I still haven't regained my twitch muscle back. Granted, I do not have millions of dollars and gentics on my side. I am also 39 and probably don't do bad for my age.

But regaining say a 27 minute 5k has been very very hard.

[meatwad4343]

A trade package of Wendell and Jett and a first or two should be able to get back a really good piece right? Or we could even go all in and do black and Wendell and picks for a star level player

[p0peye]

A trade package of Wendell and Jett and a first or two should be able to get back a really good piece right? Or we could even go all in and do black and Wendell and picks for a star level player

Them G League stars are a prize.

[RichCollab]

We are making leaps. Jump on board the continuity train!

Let’s hit a wall 1st before making any big changes.

[byeganyo]

To be fair, flame outs as players hit 30 are all too common. Lebron is quite the anomaly as well as Tim Duncan in recent memory.

Steve Francis was a great basketball player but declined super quick as his athleticism left him.

Similarly a modern example I think is Mr D Green from Golden State. I think he can't keep up with the youngsters / the pain as much as he used to and it frustrates him. So as a smokescreen to himself he lashes out.

29 is not old in NBA terms, Dray is almost 5 years older than Gary Harris.
You are right of course that players check out at different age. TRoss was ready to stop at 32. I dont know what's going through Harris head, but age is not his problem at least for the next couple of seasons i'd say.

I mean, there is "checking out" and there is "checked out".

He is already on permanent load management. I have to say if you are there at 29 that can't bode well for a career.

I had a foot injury followed by chronic hives condition. I still haven't regained my twitch muscle back. Granted, I do not have millions of dollars and gentics on my side. I am also 39 and probably don't do bad for my age.

But regaining say a 27 minute 5k has been very very hard.

Frankly i dont get a lot of moves by the management, and probably if it was up to me i'll let him go and if upgrade cant be found simply give his minutes to Houstan and see what he can do, but the truth is that Harris has been a positive player for us even this season after starting slowly, so keeping him for another year on a smaller contract probably is a good decision in a vacuum.

[eyriq]

We are making leaps. Jump on board the continuity train!

Let’s hit a wall 1st before making any big changes.

We've got use it or lose it pre-extension cap space though

[BadMofoPimp]

Who do you like to replace Harris?

I predict Monk will be a hot name around here this offseason

Monk will demand a ton of money and will prob look to be a starter... I do think we can start him and Suggs. His assists have skyrocketed this year. Besides Monk and maybe Grayson Allen and Klay I am not sure there is an upgrade over Gary Harris. I would not be shocked if they brought Gary back on a 1+1 deal around what he makes now.

I think we should bring back Gary and replace Fultz and his $17m slot with a good shooter. We could replace Queen and Kevon with our 1st and 2nd picks. We could either keep Chuma or replace him with another mid-level type vet on a 1 and 1 contract.

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Chuma made $5.3 mil this season. He isn't worth half that. If he accepts near the minimum or $2 mil max, then I say keep him. Anything more, use draft pick. Heck, a second round level player would be worth the risk in letting him go. Then again, he has not improved one iota from the 3 shooting around 31% and has shot 37% from the field this year and 35% last year. Get rid of him. Zero use at all here.

[RookieStar]

Unless someone can confirm that Chuma Kevon and Admiral are the reason why our regular team have become what they are because they are such good practice players and elevated them higher, I say its time to let them go and replace them with new faces

[RichCollab]

Unless someone can confirm that Chuma Kevon and Admiral are the reason why our regular team have become what they are because they are such good practice players and elevated them higher, I say its time to let them go and replace them with new faces

We already have to many rotation players. Replacing Chuma will have zero impact.

[RookieStar]

Unless someone can confirm that Chuma Kevon and Admiral are the reason why our regular team have become what they are because they are such good practice players and elevated them higher, I say its time to let them go and replace them with new faces

We already have to many rotation players. Replacing Chuma will have zero impact.

It is of the one we replace is cheaper.

[CocoaFan]

I thought they would do this too but if we do not get the likes of a Klay or Monk, the options are pretty thin. I really believe they like Gary. They obviously love Kelle. I think the same team is coming back and they will do what they did with Ingles and Moe. 1+1. Keep the flexibility in case someone becomes available that they think is the perfect fit.

At the beginning of the season I really thought we needed to consolidate and get a 3rd star but the more the season played out I do not think this is the path they are going to and should take. Mainly because I think PB is going to be a top10 player sooner than later and Suggs has taken a huge leap. I also think they have their guys already to replace Kelle (AB) Gary (Caleb) Ingles (Jett).

My thing is...

If you're going to go the 1+1 route with Fultz and Harris, two guys who aren't really that good, why not just give a two year deal to somebody actually good?

Team chemistry at some point takes a backseat to actually trying to level up and win games. The Magic aren't gonna be under the radar next season. They need to improve the weak spots on the roster from a personnel perspective.

I agree but who is this player? The FA market is super weak. Klay and Monk would be my 2 top guys.

I'd add Grayson Allen to the list even though he seems like kind of a douche.