Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVII - NBA Draft Edition)

[Ducklett]

He is not on a level with Otis, but he is absolutely NOT the messiah that most of this board makes him out to be.

He has had one great move (JJ for Tobes), a few stunningly bad ones (Iggy to Denver, failing to trade down in this draft), and a couple that any other GM could have made (he doesn't get credit for getting a couple nice-not-great young players in return for a prime Dwight).

Jury is still out, but I continue to say the early returns are not that great.

How was not getting Iggy a bad move? I'd take the package we got over getting Iggy for a year any day. Also, I don't see why not trading down is a big deal either. We have no clue what teams may have wanted from the Magic for those picks. Also, it's wayyyy too earlier to even say if some of those players would have been worth it, or if they will be any good at all.

I swear the whining on this board tonight is so ridiculous! People just wanted to see moves for the sake of moves, which would have been absolutely terrible to do. The offseason is not over and there a lots of ways to acquire more players and improve this team. Stop freaking out people and how about you wait to judge this team when the season actually starts? Otis 2.0, really people? Some of you guys seem to forget too easily how crappy he was. We just got arguable the best player in the draft, be happy people!

I aint worrying about it once Oladipo goes to work and plays great these ass holes will crawl back to where they came from and not own any of their comments

Nothing would make me happier than for Oladipo to become the next MJ, drop 40 PPG and stay a Magician. I will hope every day that he becomes a fantastic player and brings great things to the Orlando community. All I am asking is questions about how we go forward and stating that the numbers tell us that Oladipo is about average when it comes to SG. But numbers aren't everything and he sure can step it up and prove them wrong, and dude, I hope he blows them away.

[rcklsscognition]

It's not hard to draft arguably the best player in the draft at #2 and say so on draft night. What remains to be seen is if he drafted the best player in the draft 5 years from now.

[bigdogdylan5]

Nothing would make me happier than for Oladipo to become the next MJ, drop 40 PPG and stay a Magician. I will hope every day that he becomes a fantastic player and brings great things to the Orlando community. All I am asking is questions about how we go forward and stating that the numbers tell us that Oladipo is about average when it comes to SG. But numbers aren't everything and he sure can step it up and prove them wrong, and dude, I hope he blows them away.

Can you show me what numbers exactly you are talking about all the ones I have seen pointed to him being one of best players in this draft.

[Ducklett]

Nothing would make me happier than for Oladipo to become the next MJ, drop 40 PPG and stay a Magician. I will hope every day that he becomes a fantastic player and brings great things to the Orlando community. All I am asking is questions about how we go forward and stating that the numbers tell us that Oladipo is about average when it comes to SG. But numbers aren't everything and he sure can step it up and prove them wrong, and dude, I hope he blows them away.

Can you show me what numbers exactly you are talking about all the ones I have seen pointed to him being one of best players in this draft.

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... e-presence

[bigdogdylan5]

It's not hard to draft arguably the best player in the draft at #2 and say so on draft night. What remains to be seen is if he drafted the best player in the draft 5 years from now.

Ok then how do you know that he wont be you are angry we picked Oladipo why is it easy and wrong for me to like him but right for you to make comments like you are saying he has no upside and no talent

[rcklsscognition]

It's not hard to draft arguably the best player in the draft at #2 and say so on draft night. What remains to be seen is if he drafted the best player in the draft 5 years from now.

Ok then how do you know that he wont be you are angry we picked Oladipo why is it easy and wrong for me to like him but right for you to make comments like you are saying he has no upside and no talent

I don't know he won't be. I don't think he will be. I am allowed to argue my points on here just like you. Me not preferring him doesn't make you liking him any less valuable. I value your opinion that you think he is going to be great. I have a different opinion, no need to get bent out of shape over it.

I believe he's Aaron Afflalo with less offensive talent. That's my judgement of him right now, based on my research. Could change three weeks from now when I see him in summer league.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Wow Philly had a great draft, they set themselves up for 2014 draft nicely, they are gonna be truly terrible next year, and they get NO's pick and Noel? Great trade, I bet Sixers fans were losing their **** at 1st, because it was 1st reported to be Jrue and their pick for Noel lol, and they just had Bynum lol

Jazz also got steals with Burke and Gobert.

I'm warming up to Dipo, but I would have took Noel, and kinda wanted Siva at 51. But I'm excited for Summer League and October!

[jgosche]

It's hilarious to see the amount of people pissed off at our 2nd round pick. Most people picked there don't make it past their first couple years, and you're mad because the Magic didn't pick the guy you like? Try to use your brain. What we've seen from KOQ (a guy nobody expected anything from) should be a sample to put a teeny bit of trust in Henny. Wait a bit into the year before you start shaking your neck beards in anger.

[bigdogdylan5]

Nothing would make me happier than for Oladipo to become the next MJ, drop 40 PPG and stay a Magician. I will hope every day that he becomes a fantastic player and brings great things to the Orlando community. All I am asking is questions about how we go forward and stating that the numbers tell us that Oladipo is about average when it comes to SG. But numbers aren't everything and he sure can step it up and prove them wrong, and dude, I hope he blows them away.

Can you show me what numbers exactly you are talking about all the ones I have seen pointed to him being one of best players in this draft.

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... e-presence

Good for you I guess I could find an article like this finding some statistical flaw in every prospects game. What I know is this I watched him a lot cause I am a OSU student and watched the big ten religiously he was the best player in the big ten I also saw him live in NCAA tournament where he was equally as impressive. He has no red flags at all off the court he has tremendous intangibles which allowed him to make significant growth in very little time propelling him to be one of best players in the country in the best conference in the country lets wait and see man. Not only do I have what I have seen but some of the experts who I trust the most on NBA stuff Bill Simmons, Bilas, obviously Henny himself and even the OKC organization who wanted to move for him. Lets wait on the season and see if henny made a good choice.

[orlando1214]

I aint worrying about it once Oladipo goes to work and plays great these ass holes will crawl back to where they came from and not own any of their comments the exact same people said the same about Nicholson and eventually Tobias

Yeah I know that it will happen as well eventually. I just find it funny that in such a crazy draft, the Magic pick arguable the best player and people still complain. They think they know better than Hennigan just because they read an article online that had some analytics in it.

They also complain about Hennigan not making any other moves without knowing what other teams were offering and wanting back in return. I just don't get why people jump to such stupid conclusions and hate on a player without even seeing how he does in the NBA. None of us know how Oladipo will do, we can make educated guess based off of stats and game tape, but until he actually plays we wont know a thing. I choose to trust Rob though because in the past year he has earned my trust by taking the mess that Otis built and creating a good young team with a bright future.

[RickB-Orlando]

No movement from the Magic. Pick a player we already have in Harkless that plays pretty much the same game and position, but with less size/athletics.

Otis 2.0 has taken over.

He is not on a level with Otis, but he is absolutely NOT the messiah that most of this board makes him out to be.

He has had one great move (JJ for Tobes), a few stunningly bad ones (Iggy to Denver, failing to trade down in this draft), and a couple that any other GM could have made (he doesn't get credit for getting a couple nice-not-great young players in return for a prime Dwight).

Jury is still out, but I continue to say the early returns are not that great.

Hah. Hahahaha. Oh, wait, you're serious?

[bigdogdylan5]

It's not hard to draft arguably the best player in the draft at #2 and say so on draft night. What remains to be seen is if he drafted the best player in the draft 5 years from now.

Ok then how do you know that he wont be you are angry we picked Oladipo why is it easy and wrong for me to like him but right for you to make comments like you are saying he has no upside and no talent

I don't know he won't be. I don't think he will be. I am allowed to argue my points on here just like you. Me not preferring him doesn't make you liking him any less valuable. I value your opinion that you think he is going to be great. I have a different opinion, no need to get bent out of shape over it.

I believe he's Aaron Afflalo with less offensive talent. That's my judgement of him right now, based on my research. Could change three weeks from now when I see him in summer league.

Lol you think this is me bent out of shape? I am just a little annoyed that a lot of people trash Henny's moves when they haven't watched the players themselves I.E Nicholson and Tobias then when they break out they don't own their comments

[jgosche]

Also, anybody who is mad because they think we should have traded down for more picks or something, is getting upset because their dreams of 3 all-stars from the 2013 draft is being shattered. We made a good pick. You're going to be happy we didn't trade down for a bunch of scrubs.

Yes I'm drunk and yes I'm ranting,

[bigdogdylan5]

I aint worrying about it once Oladipo goes to work and plays great these ass holes will crawl back to where they came from and not own any of their comments the exact same people said the same about Nicholson and eventually Tobias

Yeah I know that it will happen as well eventually. I just find it funny that in such a crazy draft, the Magic pick arguable the best player and people still complain. They think they know better than Hennigan just because they read an article online that had some analytics in it.

They also complain about Hennigan not making any other moves without knowing what other teams were offering and wanting back in return. I just don't get why people jump to such stupid conclusions and hate on a player without even seeing how he does in the NBA. None of us know how Oladipo will do, we can make educated guess based off of stats and game tape, but until he actually plays we wont know a thing. I choose to trust Rob though because in the past year he has earned my trust by taking the mess that Otis built and creating a good young team with a bright future.

Couldn't agree more there is a reason why he is making millions of dollars to make these picks and we are writing on some online forum

[rcklsscognition]

So everyone who didn't want to draft Oladipo has to think he was the best pick now because Henny drafted him? I just want to get things straight before we head into the summer league. Am I allowed to start liking him in a couple weeks after I see him in summer league?

[bigdogdylan5]

Also, anybody who is mad because they think we should have traded down for more picks or something, is getting upset because their dreams of 3 all-stars from the 2013 draft is being shattered. We made a good pick. You're going to be happy we didn't trade down for a bunch of scrubs.

Yes I'm drunk and yes I'm ranting,

Don't worry bout it the guy who called Henny Otis 2.0 has to be drunk on his ass

[rcklsscognition]

Ok then how do you know that he wont be you are angry we picked Oladipo why is it easy and wrong for me to like him but right for you to make comments like you are saying he has no upside and no talent

I don't know he won't be. I don't think he will be. I am allowed to argue my points on here just like you. Me not preferring him doesn't make you liking him any less valuable. I value your opinion that you think he is going to be great. I have a different opinion, no need to get bent out of shape over it.

I believe he's Aaron Afflalo with less offensive talent. That's my judgement of him right now, based on my research. Could change three weeks from now when I see him in summer league.

Lol you think this is me bent out of shape? I am just a little annoyed that a lot of people trash Henny's moves when they haven't watched the players themselves I.E Nicholson and Tobias then when they break out they don't own their comments

Yes, you are bent out of shape I and others don't like the pick. You said it. I am owning who I want in my sig. I reserve the right to say I was wrong tomorrow, in 3 weeks, next year, or 5 years from now if Oladipo proves me wrong. It's just an opinion man.

[bigdogdylan5]

Yes, you are bent out of shape I and others don't like the pick. You said it. I am owning who I want in my sig. I reserve the right to say I was wrong tomorrow, in 3 weeks, next year, or 5 years from now if Oladipo proves me wrong. It's just an opinion man.

I agree yes if anything you are an innocent bystander caught in cross fire a lot of my comments are directed towards the idiot calling Henny Otis 2.0 based on some stupid article by some bs news outlet

[rcklsscognition]

Yes, you are bent out of shape I and others don't like the pick. You said it. I am owning who I want in my sig. I reserve the right to say I was wrong tomorrow, in 3 weeks, next year, or 5 years from now if Oladipo proves me wrong. It's just an opinion man.

I agree yes if anything you are an innocent bystander caught in cross fire a lot of my comments are directed towards the idiot calling Henny Otis 2.0 based on some stupid article by some bs news outlet

Ok, let's move on then. Summer league 2013!

[RickB-Orlando]

So everyone who didn't want to draft Oladipo has to think he was the best pick now because Henny drafted him? I just want to get things straight before we head into the summer league. Am I allowed to start liking him in a couple weeks after I see him in summer league?

Nah, that would be silly.

Personally I wanted us to draft Porter, who I think will be a very solid if unspectacular starter for many years.

Having said that, Dipo is a very impressive interview and seems like he could have star potential, if he can reach for it. I'm warming to the pick.