Official Speculation Thread ‘17-18’: XVIII: The Long Wait Continues

[PennytoShaq]

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So... it's so minor that he could have continued playing if it was a regular season game but so problematic that he's going to miss a game 4 days later?

Its preseason. I told you this the night of the game. Isaac literally said the same thing yesterday.

[thelead]

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So... it's so minor that he could have continued playing if it was a regular season game but so problematic that he's going to miss a game 4 days later?

Its preseason. I told you this the night of the game. Isaac literally said the same thing yesterday.

Preseason or not, if it's not an issue, why is he being held out? Why not hold out the entire team because they 'could' get injured?

To me, this means he did tweak it and he is feeling some discomfort. I'm just not buying this whole 'it's preseason' thing. It's nothing or it's something. Which one is it?

[J the Drafter]

So with all the complaining about Vucevic, I didn’t see anyone mention his isolation defense against Simmons.

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[Xatticus]

So... it's so minor that he could have continued playing if it was a regular season game but so problematic that he's going to miss a game 4 days later?

Its preseason. I told you this the night of the game. Isaac literally said the same thing yesterday.

Preseason or not, if it's not an issue, why is he being held out? Why not hold out the entire team because they 'could' get injured?

To me, this means he did tweak it and he is feeling some discomfort. I'm just not buying this whole 'it's preseason' thing. It's nothing or it's something. Which one is it?

I'm sure it's nothing. Remember when they talked about how winning in the summer league was important, but they shut down Bamba and Isaac after the first couple games? This franchise is embarrassingly cautious.

[PennytoShaq]

So... it's so minor that he could have continued playing if it was a regular season game but so problematic that he's going to miss a game 4 days later?

Its preseason. I told you this the night of the game. Isaac literally said the same thing yesterday.

Preseason or not, if it's not an issue, why is he being held out? Why not hold out the entire team because they 'could' get injured?

To me, this means he did tweak it and he is feeling some discomfort. I'm just not buying this whole 'it's preseason' thing. It's nothing or it's something. Which one is it?

You just dont get it. Its been explained by the player himself in interviews but you still want to be negative anyway.

Bamba and isaac are still growing into their bodies and are underweight. They are going to be treated like this until they get their nba bodies. Its not the end of the world and not worth being dramatic over.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Lets be real, Vuc not playing in the NBA next year is a possibility.

You actually think that? I don't.....I...Just wow.

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Playing vuc and bamba together is simply development for bamba to get used to perimeter defense. It not our long term plan and we simply have to accept that vuc is here and will be used until the magic can move him in a trade.

Hopefully. On the other hand, is it not a concern to developing AG and Isaac by playing them next to Bamba at center? Y’know, making sure the investments of picks can pay off in the long run.

Some might see this as an opportunity for Bamba to “guard the perimeter” and others might see this as a coach trying to find ways of leaving Vuc on the floor for the sake of limited offensive options.if anything, this says to me that he doesn’t trust AG and Isaac to generate offense by playing the prospect lineup.

All of this is delaying the inevitable that the younger guys will have to figure out how to create offense. God forbid they resign Vuc even if it’s a friendly contract.

I think everything you are saying here is incorrect and will be proven so over the course of the season.

This is a lineup that will probably play 5 mins a game. Most likely when isaac and ag are resting.

Clifford sure likes to talk about playing Bamba and Vuc together a lot for the result to equate to 5 mins of game time.

So you don’t buy that Clifford wants Vuc on the floor for his “reliable” offense and is more so talking about the possibility of this lineup for Bamba’s “experience on the perimeter” while AG and Isaac are on the roster? To each his own. An entire hornets fan base tells us he plays people out of position, he talks about this possibility twice, and you still are shrugging it off. Ok.

[PrimeThyme]

So with all the complaining about Vucevic, I didn’t see anyone mention his isolation defense against Simmons.

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Yeah.. sorry, most of us were to busy with watching him get absolutely annihilated by Embiid the other 99% of the time.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Augustin/Gordon/Isaac/Bamba/Vučević

On offense, this is an unguardable five.


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You mean because the offense is so bad on their own that the other team don't have to defend?

[Optimus_Steel]

Oh Big Baby Davis signed for by rivaly team.
On his first landing in Zadar, local fans made a fireworks party and took him straight to - McDonalds

Can't wait to see him live

Here's a video from the McDonalds. This story is pretty funny.

https://streamable.com/jjyht

Hide your keyboards....

[thelead]

Its preseason. I told you this the night of the game. Isaac literally said the same thing yesterday.

Preseason or not, if it's not an issue, why is he being held out? Why not hold out the entire team because they 'could' get injured?

To me, this means he did tweak it and he is feeling some discomfort. I'm just not buying this whole 'it's preseason' thing. It's nothing or it's something. Which one is it?

You just dont get it. Its been explained by the player himself in interviews but you still want to be negative anyway.

Bamba and isaac are still growing into their bodies and are underweight. They are going to be treated like this until they get their nba bodies. Its not the end of the world and not worth being dramatic over.

Who's being dramatic? Questioning an injury makes me dramatic? Come on...

[PennytoShaq]

Hopefully. On the other hand, is it not a concern to developing AG and Isaac by playing them next to Bamba at center? Y’know, making sure the investments of picks can pay off in the long run.

Some might see this as an opportunity for Bamba to “guard the perimeter” and others might see this as a coach trying to find ways of leaving Vuc on the floor for the sake of limited offensive options.if anything, this says to me that he doesn’t trust AG and Isaac to generate offense by playing the prospect lineup.

All of this is delaying the inevitable that the younger guys will have to figure out how to create offense. God forbid they resign Vuc even if it’s a friendly contract.

I think everything you are saying here is incorrect and will be proven so over the course of the season.

This is a lineup that will probably play 5 mins a game. Most likely when isaac and ag are resting.

Clifford sure likes to talk about playing Bamba and Vuc together a lot for the result to equate to 5 mins of game time.

So you don’t buy that Clifford wants Vuc on the floor for his “reliable” offense and is more so talking about the possibility of this lineup for Bamba’s “experience on the perimeter” while AG and Isaac are on the roster? To each his own. An entire hornets fan base tells us he plays people out of position, he talks about this possibility twice, and you still are shrugging it off. Ok.

I prefer to see what actually happens instead of whining about something that hasn’t happened at all yet. The first game of the preseason Cliffords rotations looked fine.

Isaacis sitting next game so Vuc and Bamba will probably play together some. You can get upset, and Lead can complain that Isaac is hurt. I am sure it will be fun stuff to read.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

So with all the complaining about Vucevic, I didn’t see anyone mention his isolation defense against Simmons.

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Yeah.. sorry, most of us were to busy with watching him get absolutely annihilated by Embiid the other 99% of the time.

[MagicStarwipe]

I don't know... I think i'd prefer the guy that is 7'0" with a 7'10" wingspan anchoring the defense instead of defending 4's on the perimeter. If it cuts into Vuc's minutes... too bad for him. But that's just me. I wonder how many minutes Gobert has seen at the 4 in his career.

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I think everything you are saying here is incorrect and will be proven so over the course of the season.

This is a lineup that will probably play 5 mins a game. Most likely when isaac and ag are resting.

Clifford sure likes to talk about playing Bamba and Vuc together a lot for the result to equate to 5 mins of game time.

So you don’t buy that Clifford wants Vuc on the floor for his “reliable” offense and is more so talking about the possibility of this lineup for Bamba’s “experience on the perimeter” while AG and Isaac are on the roster? To each his own. An entire hornets fan base tells us he plays people out of position, he talks about this possibility twice, and you still are shrugging it off. Ok.

I prefer to see what actually happens instead of whining about something that hasn’t happened at all yet. The first game of the preseason Cliffords rotations looked fine.

Isaacis sitting next game so Vuc and Bamba will probably play together some. You can get upset, and Lead can complain that Isaac is hurt. I am sure it will be fun stuff to read.

See. You say people are “whining” and “complaining” and all I see is people raising legitimate questions on a message board. TheLead raises some interesting points and we have Clifford quoted saying he’s going to play a rookie out of position next to Vuc, all while employing the same tired tatic at his last gig (pissing off their fans).

Sure he might not go 100% through with it and Isaac might be fine, but you can drop the whole “this topic is a non issue” thing because obviously people are talking about it. I don’t know why people bringing up legitimate concerns bothers you.

[fendilim]

I don't know... I think i'd prefer the guy that is 7'0" with a 7'10" wingspan anchoring the defense instead of defending 4's on the perimeter. If it cuts into Vuc's minutes... too bad for him. But that's just me. I wonder how many minutes Gobert has seen at the 4 in his career.

TRUE. I’m sure all of us would prefer that too.

But again, where will the offense go? Also, can Bamba handle more minutes? Bamba struggled to stay in the court his first game. Not only that, he was even overpowered the whole time. And that was the same problem we saw in Summer League. I dont think Vuc will get less playing until Bamba can prove he can stay on the court more often than he cant.

[pepe1991]

Cliff might throw Vuc and Bamba together tonight and have "see, i told you they can play together " mindset in probable blowout against Flamengo that has C rotation of : 36 years old Varejao and 19 years old kid.

In general i don't see much upside in playing them together at all.

[Furinkazan]

So with all the complaining about Vucevic, I didn’t see anyone mention his isolation defense against Simmons.

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Yeah.. sorry, most of us were to busy with watching him get absolutely annihilated by Embiid the other 99% of the time.

Vuc showing iprovement He played good D for the whole 9 seconds.In few years he may be able to do it for the whole 24.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So with all the complaining about Vucevic, I didn’t see anyone mention his isolation defense against Simmons.

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Yeah.. sorry, most of us were to busy with watching him get absolutely annihilated by Embiid the other 99% of the time.

Nik 20 pts 2asts 5rbs 2 blks 52%fg 2-2 ft
Embiid: 21pts 2asts 7rbs 0 blks 61%fg 2-3 ft

I guess Nik annialated Embiid 99% of the time.

But not really right? Through the cloud of bull and hyperbole they seem to have cancelled eachother out rather than anyone annihalating the other.
Also Emiid is a top 5 player in the NBA and not many can stop him. So If youre going to extend that consideration then it needs to apply to everyone not just the players you like.



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[tiderulz]

Lets be real, Vuc not playing in the NBA next year is a possibility.

like to place a bet on this?