ImageImageImageImage

Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition)

Moderators: Knightro, UCFJayBird, Def Swami, Howard Mass, ChosenSavior, UCF

cedric76
RealGM
Posts: 16,225
And1: 3,718
Joined: May 28, 2005

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1461 » by cedric76 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:16 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:
Force9024 wrote:Al Harrington nearing deal with Wizards per WT.. Hmm interesting I figured he had Heat Spurs Clippers or Rockets written all over him...

Dude was so desperate to get out of Orlando, just so he could sign with the Wizards? :-?


Pfff, and he didn't want to restructure his contract to help us

So much about I want to win

Sent from my HTC One using RealGM Forums mobile app
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
User avatar
Blue_and_Whte
RealGM
Posts: 24,654
And1: 9,548
Joined: Jun 26, 2009
Location: Orlando, FL.
     

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1462 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:37 pm

cedric76 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:
Force9024 wrote:Al Harrington nearing deal with Wizards per WT.. Hmm interesting I figured he had Heat Spurs Clippers or Rockets written all over him...

Dude was so desperate to get out of Orlando, just so he could sign with the Wizards? :-?


Pfff, and he didn't want to restructure his contract to help us

So much about I want to win

Sent from my HTC One using RealGM Forums mobile app

Why should he have?
Faith, Family, & Orlando Magic
#2A
#Adopt
#MAGA
User avatar
GameOver25
RealGM
Posts: 19,992
And1: 6,262
Joined: Aug 27, 2009
Location: Show ya hands!
     

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1463 » by GameOver25 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:44 pm

Jiwol wrote:
“Big Baby” Davis kept looking me off and taking it himself. Doc is shouting at him to go inside, but he won’t. So Doc calls timeout and draws up a play for me. I go out there, and I back Andrew Bynum way under the rim. I’m loose, I’m ready. I’ve got Bynum under the basket and again, Baby won’t give me the ball. So I go up to him and say, “If you ever miss me again I’m going to punch you in the face.” I was hot.

Two nights later we’re playing in Sacramento and here we go again. I take three shots the entire game and again I’ve got my man isolated underneath the basket, and Baby ignores me and takes a jump shot. So the next time we’re in the huddle I let Baby have it.

I tell him, “Pass the [expletive] ball inside.” He comes back at me a little bit and now I’m really heated. All hell is breaking loose. We’re going back and forth. Doc is standing there and he’s not saying a word. The message is pretty clear: Work this out yourselves. I tell Baby, “You’re a selfish player. Everyone on this team knows it.” Hey, all the fans knew it. He takes shots when he shouldn’t.


Not only that. Shaq mentioned BBD's low IQ on the court. Will try to find a quote.



I'm glad that quote by Shaq was pointed out. Sure BBD is about the team, ok... but he was totally about getting his last year. He was so obviously he wanted to be the man and make a name for himself and get his shine on. If he detriments the growth of our young players this year, he needs to be traded ASAP, don't even think twice about it.
cedric76
RealGM
Posts: 16,225
And1: 3,718
Joined: May 28, 2005

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1464 » by cedric76 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:44 pm

To be waived earlier, we could have kept him much longer and play hard ball

Sent from my HTC One using RealGM Forums mobile app
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
User avatar
BadMofoPimp
RealGM
Posts: 49,057
And1: 12,513
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
Location: In the Paint

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1465 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:32 pm

GameOver25 wrote:I'm glad that quote by Shaq was pointed out. Sure BBD is about the team, ok... but he was totally about getting his last year. He was so obviously he wanted to be the man and make a name for himself and get his shine on. If he detriments the growth of our young players this year, he needs to be traded ASAP, don't even think twice about it.


As much of a fan of BBD that I am. Last year I didn't mind anyone trying to play hero ball because the team was tanking and I felt players should practice trying to take over the game. But, now that we have a unit we are trying to build I think they need to focus on team ball. If it doesn't work out, I hope some Playoff team asks about BBD because he can be great in the right situation.
Image

Provin Ya'll Wrong!!!
TDJacksonville
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,229
And1: 242
Joined: Jun 29, 2012
Location: Your girlfriends panties

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1466 » by TDJacksonville » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:00 pm

i guess fat al wants to be a whiz kid ;)
Trailblazers
PG:
SG:
F:
F:
C:
Wzajan89 @ gmail . com
User avatar
BadMofoPimp
RealGM
Posts: 49,057
And1: 12,513
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
Location: In the Paint

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1467 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:07 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:i guess fat al wants to be a whiz kid ;)


Probably the only team that would offer him more than the Minimum and guarantee playing time. I am just glad Al didn't sign with the Rockets.
Image

Provin Ya'll Wrong!!!
Catledge
Starter
Posts: 2,402
And1: 859
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
     

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1468 » by Catledge » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:11 pm

thelead wrote:
Catledge wrote:Consider how bad Moe Harkless was in the first half of the season and how bad Dequan Jones was all season, how much better Vooch was in the last month of the season as compared to the first month, and how we didn't have Harris for the first half of the season. Now add injuries to our three key vets, and I don't see how people think we're not going to be any better this year. It's one thing to say we're not good enough to make the playoffs, but to think we're basically going to be at the same level as last year strikes me as outlandish.


IF we stay healthy AND we don't trade any vets, we'll be much better. Unfortunately, much better than the worst isn't all that great. We won 20 games last year. IF all goes well (for those that want to win and lessen their chance on acquiring a franchise player in the draft) I can see us winning 32 games. That is a HUGE improvement but not nearly enough to get into the playoffs.

Face it, you don't hear Rob or Vaughn talking about playoffs, do you? They don't even mention it.

Now, if we land a franchise player in next years draft, I guarantee they BOTH will be talking about playoff aspirations RIGHT AFTER the draft.


Like I said, I don't disagree about us not making the playoffs, but to think we'll be just as bad as last year without major injuries is crazy. 32 wins is right around what I've been saying all summer. That would have put us in a tie for 9th-worst last year, when significantly fewer teams were trying to tank.

If Meer, AA, and BBD are all traded or injured, then we might drop down to the mid-20s, but even that assumes that Dipo, Harris, Vooch, and Harkless are not as good as we think/hope they are.
User avatar
thelead
RealGM
Posts: 46,296
And1: 29,990
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
 

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1469 » by thelead » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:44 pm

Catledge wrote:
thelead wrote:
Catledge wrote:Consider how bad Moe Harkless was in the first half of the season and how bad Dequan Jones was all season, how much better Vooch was in the last month of the season as compared to the first month, and how we didn't have Harris for the first half of the season. Now add injuries to our three key vets, and I don't see how people think we're not going to be any better this year. It's one thing to say we're not good enough to make the playoffs, but to think we're basically going to be at the same level as last year strikes me as outlandish.


IF we stay healthy AND we don't trade any vets, we'll be much better. Unfortunately, much better than the worst isn't all that great. We won 20 games last year. IF all goes well (for those that want to win and lessen their chance on acquiring a franchise player in the draft) I can see us winning 32 games. That is a HUGE improvement but not nearly enough to get into the playoffs.

Face it, you don't hear Rob or Vaughn talking about playoffs, do you? They don't even mention it.

Now, if we land a franchise player in next years draft, I guarantee they BOTH will be talking about playoff aspirations RIGHT AFTER the draft.


Like I said, I don't disagree about us not making the playoffs, but to think we'll be just as bad as last year without major injuries is crazy. 32 wins is right around what I've been saying all summer. That would have put us in a tie for 9th-worst last year, when significantly fewer teams were trying to tank.

If Meer, AA, and BBD are all traded or injured, then we might drop down to the mid-20s, but even that assumes that Dipo, Harris, Vooch, and Harkless are not as good as we think/hope they are.


I don't think that's necessarily true. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook only won 20-something games their first year together (while still putting up good stats).

I think a lot of it comes down to the vets (obviously), expectations (it doesn't sound like they're too high from what I've seen), and coaching (I still think JV tanked last year; you can call it "developing youth" but the man had a plan and it was to get himself a high draft pick). I still think we continue to switch on everything, continue to develop youth and in the process win 26-30 games (I'm hoping for 24-ish myself). Good enough to have a legit shot at a top 3 pick.
Image
User avatar
rcklsscognition
RealGM
Posts: 22,345
And1: 7,414
Joined: Mar 23, 2009
Contact:
 

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1470 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:46 pm

If BBD is as selfish as everyone thinks, and I am one of those people, then he will be moved. Henny and JV are not blind to it if its true, and I see no reason why they'd keep him other than no trade market, but we know there's always a market for someone.
User avatar
Blue_and_Whte
RealGM
Posts: 24,654
And1: 9,548
Joined: Jun 26, 2009
Location: Orlando, FL.
     

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1471 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:31 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Dude was so desperate to get out of Orlando, just so he could sign with the Wizards? :-?


Pfff, and he didn't want to restructure his contract to help us

So much about I want to win

Sent from my HTC One using RealGM Forums mobile app

Why should he have?

???
Faith, Family, & Orlando Magic
#2A
#Adopt
#MAGA
User avatar
BadMofoPimp
RealGM
Posts: 49,057
And1: 12,513
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
Location: In the Paint

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1472 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:10 pm

Didn't Harrington have plans for when he got cut?
Image

Provin Ya'll Wrong!!!
Magicman125
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,361
And1: 511
Joined: Jul 09, 2010

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1473 » by Magicman125 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:13 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Didn't Harrington have plans for when he got cut?


Go to a team that will give him playing time and more than the min I assume. I know he said he wanted to win, but maybe he thinks getting a weak seed in the east (possibly) is enough?
User avatar
arsenal6106
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,396
And1: 155
Joined: Nov 07, 2010
Location: Somewhere Drinking Good Beer.
       

Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1474 » by arsenal6106 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:18 pm

Next Spec. Thread Is up and Running!

Bam!
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1269535
Confidence Poll[/size][/color][/url]

Return to Orlando Magic