2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

fendilim · Post #1461 » by **fendilim** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:55 am

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Post #1462 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:56 am

SOUL wrote:I'm considering going dark the entire draft.. doing something else.. come back.. see what chaos has ensued..

I'm visiting family in Germany. I'll likely be sleeping during the draft. So I'll be right there with you! But it would be fun to take information as it comes in and update expectations...

Ralof · Post #1463 » by **Ralof** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:17 am

IMPORTANT QUESTION any way to follow the draft together live in some sort of chat?

when we drafted Anthony i remember there was a server on discord when we did follow the draft,with members of this board

Trillen · Post #1464 » by **Trillen** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:33 am

Ralof wrote:IMPORTANT QUESTION any way to follow the draft together live in some sort of chat?

when we drafted Anthony i remember there was a server on discord when we did follow the draft,with members of this board

I'm not sure if there's rules against sharing these kinda links or not forgive me if there is, but the /r/orlandomagic discord is pretty good sized and are hosting a draft night event doing exactly what you described, which they've done the last few years as well. https://discord.gg/RxNATJF5

Post #1465 » by **SOUL** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:45 am

Watch on YouTube

Miller/Bufkin

would be a shocker draft lol, but at least its something different

jezzerinho · Post #1466 » by **jezzerinho** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:48 am

I've reached the point where i know who i don't want with our 2 picks, just not sure i know yet who i do want.

I'd prefer one or both were used for a consolidation trade.

Who i dont want:
Whitmore
Hendricks
Dick
Lively

Meh on:
Coulibaly
George
Wallace
Smith Jr.
Whitehead

Can get on board with any of:
Amen
Ausar
Walker
Bufkin
JHS
Black
Hawkins

Post #1467 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:02 am

Thinking back to the star, starter, role player, bust thought project, really fascinating how the average distribution is 4/3/4/3.

This implies that at No. 6 you can expect to add a starter and at No. 11 you can expect to add a role player.

Very much an oversimplified view, but like any model it has some interesting implications.

A draft is a complex system that doesn't lend itself to an exact science. So much missing and imperfect information resulting in stars, starters, and role players falling outside the lottery. At a certain point fit makes all the difference.

basketballRob · Post #1468 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:17 am

pepe1991 wrote:I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

He's only 18, so you would be drafting him based on potential. He's 4 months older than Giannis when he was drafted.

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pepe1991 · Post #1469 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:30 am

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.
He's only 18, so you would be drafting him based on potential. He's 4 months older than Giannis when he was drafted.

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he turns 19 in a month. He is same age as Killian Hayes was ( tehniqually, one day older) when he was drafted.

you want more than potential from top 10 pick. Especially since league they play isn't very good.

Skybox · Post #1470 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 am

SOUL wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Miller/Bufkin

would be a shocker draft lol, but at least its something different

There’s a lot of logic to this draft (love it for us)…quite a few winners here, based on fit, imo

KillMonger · Post #1471 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:28 am

Read on Twitter

jonbob17 · Post #1472 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:50 pm

fendilim wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but fascinating statistical comparison of two freshman guards with a defensive pedigree:

Player 1:

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp

Player 2:

12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg

Player 1 is Jrue Holiday. Player 2 Anthony Black.

If Anthony Black is Holiday, I’m on board.

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp
12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg
11.7ppg 51.4% 2pt, 34.6% 3pt on 4 attempts per game, 75.7% FT% 4.3 assts

Player3 is Cason Wallace... they are all pretty similar statistically, Cason 6'2.5" Jrue 6'3", Black 6'6"
Cason also has under utilized Kentucky guard going for him.
why pick cason when we already have suggs?

I think they can play together. If Wallace pans out, we may have the best two guard defendending combo in the league...or better yet, stack their minutes and get relentless pressure on the lead ball handler of opponents for 48 minutes a game.

I am not sure i could take Wallace at 6 anymore...but if we are not going to use the 2nd rounder maybe we could use it to move from 11 to 8. Washington needs more rolls of the dice.

I think the advantage that Franz and Paolo gives this Magic team is that we won't need a lead guard that has the ball in their hands 75% of the possession, frankly we can get buy with a Jrue Holiday or Cason Wallace type of PG.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1473 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:50 pm

KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter

Fascinating.

Taylor Hendricks, Walker, Lively being the surprise in this metric but not really knowing what all that means anyway I won't worry much about it.

The idea of us drafting some kind of F/C is starting to shape in my head. Maybe even Walker at 6.

No I am not saying what I want, trying to guess management best on the interview yesterday.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1474 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:29 pm

I will be so happy when we are back into the playoffs and don’t have to pay too much attention to the draft. This happens not so much here but still it is prevalent on other mediums and I am maybe guilty of it. But the people who are saying this guy or bust who I know have not really done their homework are getting on my nerves. They maybe watched half of a 6 minute video of the prospect and they are now an expert and if the magic don’t agree and take someone else they will fire off some passive aggressive tweet.

From my perspective I really try to educate myself on the positives and weakness of players. I also make sure I never get high on one guy especially where we are drafting because I am for sure not a draft expert. I have watched some full Ohio state games and that is the limited time I have spent while our scouting team is on this for years really. If they pick Coulibaly I am not going to tell them they are wrong because I haven’t watched any full Met 92 games. This doesn’t say you can’t be critical of decision but damn just acknowledge that our front office and scouting have put way more effort into this then anyone and drafting is truly a damn crapshoot

RookieStar · Post #1475 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:40 pm

SOUL wrote:I'm considering going dark the entire draft.. doing something else.. come back.. see what chaos has ensued..

Noooooo

We need mods whn the ish show comes up. Lol

The Effect · Post #1476 » by **The Effect** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:58 pm

Say coulibaly is there at 11, anyone think we could draft him and trade him to the Spurs for vassell?

I'm not a big vassell fan but I know most this board is. Spurs would get wembys teammate to help him adjust in the NBA and also clear Cap space to sign say Austin Reaves and another max player?

Just random thought I had this morning

fendilim · Post #1477 » by **fendilim** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:02 pm

The Effect wrote:Say coulibaly is there at 11, anyone think we could draft him and trade him to the Spurs for vassell?

I'm not a big vassell fan but I know most this board is. Spurs would get wembys teammate to help him adjust in the NBA and also clear Cap space to sign say Austin Reaves and another max player?

Just random thought I had this morning

I think we’ll need to add more to make this work

MagicFan101 · Post #1478 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:02 pm

I just hope we have a plan.

I feel it’s time to start consolidating assets.

While I like that idea of say Black/Asur + Dick, I then take a step back and look at a roster of Fultz, Suggs, Cole, Harris and even Franz and say where are the minutes??

It’s time to truly build around Franz and Paolo rather than collect as many assets as we can and see what works.

thelead · Post #1479 » by **thelead** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:10 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:I just hope we have a plan.

I feel it’s time to start consolidating assets.

While I like that idea of say Black/Asur + Dick, I then take a step back and look at a roster of Fultz, Suggs, Cole, Harris and even Franz and say where are the minutes??

It’s time to truly build around Franz and Paolo rather than collect as many assets as we can and see what works.

The easiest way to make it aI’ll work is a Hendricks/Dick draft. Not saying its what I prefer but it would be ‘safe’ and less work for the FO.:

WCJ/JI
Paolo/Hendricks
Franz/Dick
Suggs/Harris
Fultz/Cole

JoshuaPotter · Post #1480 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:14 pm

eyriq wrote:
SOUL wrote:I'm considering going dark the entire draft.. doing something else.. come back.. see what chaos has ensued..
I'm visiting family in Germany. I'll likely be sleeping during the draft. So I'll be right there with you! But it would be fun to take information as it comes in and update expectations...

I wont be online during the draft. I have just learned a lot about you. Have fun on your trip!