Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[eyriq]

Re-sign Moe and bring in this sniper and call it a summer

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[Redick07]

Have no interest in Ty Jerome. Rather have Dennis Schroder

Schroder shots 0.342 3pt% in his career (0.302 last season); while Jerome shots 0.381 3pt% in his career (0.439 last season)

Are you sure?

Yes Im sure I dont want to pay big money for a 5 minute wonder who got figured out in playoffs.

You might be right. However, Magic need Jerome much more than Schroder.
I am pretty sure that you are not Magic fan! We don’t need another short guard that can’t shoot…

[RookieStar]

Re-sign Moe and bring in this sniper and call it a summer

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Where did you get this? Even Heat board doesnt have this news

[eyriq]

How many teams will be in the market with the NT-MLE?

Likely
Hawks, Bulls, Hornets, Spurs, Jazz

Maybe
Griz, Pistons, Clippers, Blazers, Bucks

Are there even ten NT-MLE players available? This tier should be your fringe starter player, and I'm not sure I see ten of them. Going to be a fascinating off-season.

NT-MLE: NAW, Schroeder, GTJ, Aldama, Capela, Jerome... Who else?

[Furinkazan]

Schroder shots 0.342 3pt% in his career (0.302 last season); while Jerome shots 0.381 3pt% in his career (0.439 last season)

Are you sure?

Yes Im sure I dont want to pay big money for a 5 minute wonder who got figured out in playoffs.

You might be right. However, Magic need Jerome much more than Schroder.
I am pretty sure that you are not Magic fan! We don’t need another short guard that can’t shoot…

Im pretty sure you are Cavs fan.

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Jerome is 27
Schroeder is 31

I think you just take whoever is cheaper in the situation.

The other side to this is Anthony Black. Now after drafting Jase, I think this decision will inform us of how the FO views AB relative to his role here.

If they go for one of these point guards I think they view AB more as a wing.

If they go for NAW, or another wing, then they view him more as becoming a capable point guard.

Jase Richardson to me should be a point guard, or at least will maximize his value as one on the court.

[basketballRob]

Jerome is 27
Schroeder is 31

I think you just take whoever is cheaper in the situation.

The other side to this is Anthony Black. Now after drafting Jase, I think this decision will inform us of how the FO views AB relative to his role here.

If they go for one of these point guards I think they view AB more as a wing.

If they go for NAW, or another wing, then they view him more as becoming a capable point guard.

Jase Richardson to me should be a point guard, or at least will maximize his value as one on the court.

Or they could've drafted Jase to fill Cole's role. I like all these theories you guys come up with.

Suggs Bane
AB SG
Richardson

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[eyriq]

Jerome is 27
Schroeder is 31

I think you just take whoever is cheaper in the situation.

The other side to this is Anthony Black. Now after drafting Jase, I think this decision will inform us of how the FO views AB relative to his role here.

If they go for one of these point guards I think they view AB more as a wing.

If they go for NAW, or another wing, then they view him more as becoming a capable point guard.

Jase Richardson to me should be a point guard, or at least will maximize his value as one on the court.

Agreed, we'll get meaningful information on how the team views AB based on who they pursue in free agency.

[Skybox]

Jerome is 27
Schroeder is 31

I think you just take whoever is cheaper in the situation.

The other side to this is Anthony Black. Now after drafting Jase, I think this decision will inform us of how the FO views AB relative to his role here.

If they go for one of these point guards I think they view AB more as a wing.

If they go for NAW, or another wing, then they view him more as becoming a capable point guard.

Jase Richardson to me should be a point guard, or at least will maximize his value as one on the court.

Agreed, we'll get meaningful information on how the team views AB based on who they pursue in free agency.

What did we learn (about AB) from them trading EVERYTHING they could trade to get Bane? And drafting a 6’ lead guard

[eyriq]

Jerome is 27
Schroeder is 31

I think you just take whoever is cheaper in the situation.

The other side to this is Anthony Black. Now after drafting Jase, I think this decision will inform us of how the FO views AB relative to his role here.

If they go for one of these point guards I think they view AB more as a wing.

If they go for NAW, or another wing, then they view him more as becoming a capable point guard.

Jase Richardson to me should be a point guard, or at least will maximize his value as one on the court.

Agreed, we'll get meaningful information on how the team views AB based on who they pursue in free agency.

What did we learn (about AB) from them trading EVERYTHING they could trade to get Bane? And drafting a 6’ lead guard

They traded for an elite off-ball shooter in Bane and drafted a secondary scorer in Jase who thrived as an efficient third option, not a primary ball-handler. Jase played off the ball and posted a very low assist rate in college. These moves don’t signal a shift away from AB. If anything, they reinforce the idea that AB is the point guard of the future and the front office is building around his strengths.

[RichCollab]

Schroeder Hasn’t stuck with any team he’s been on in the last 8 years.

Uncoachable
Locker room problems
Lone Wolf

I don’t think this is the year we add him. We are in a very tough place money wise so we will see.

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Agreed, we'll get meaningful information on how the team views AB based on who they pursue in free agency.

What did we learn (about AB) from them trading EVERYTHING they could trade to get Bane? And drafting a 6’ lead guard

They traded for an elite off-ball shooter in Bane and drafted a secondary scorer in Jase who thrived as an efficient third option, not a primary ball-handler. Jase played off the ball and posted a very low assist rate in college. These moves don’t signal a shift away from AB. If anything, they reinforce the idea that AB is the point guard of the future and the front office is building around his strengths.

Yeah so their two major moves this offseason were acquiring more guards to eat into AB’s minutes.

What happens when they acquire another guard to handle and distribute? Even if they sign another 2/3 like NAW it makes him more expendable. They are basically the same player with different timeframes.

There are a number of rotations they can roll out to maximize AB. However, it should be pretty telling they were targeting a player like Jase, in the hope that he can run the offense at some point, after drafting AB with a top 10 pick two seasons ago.

What is the argument really? That if Cole Anthony wasn’t abysmal last season that he wouldn’t have been getting a majority of AB’s minutes??? Pretend for one minute that Cole played above average and Suggs had a full healthy season. How much of AB at the point would we really be seeing in a bench unit that simply couldn’t score?

[Knightro]

Dennis Schroder is not good. I don’t know why people insist he’s good.

He has legitimately only had a single two month stretch of quality basketball in the last like eight years. And that was all of 23 games last year with the Nets who basically allowed him to dominate the ball and he happened to be on fire with his shot.

Once he went to Golden State he was terrible and once he went to Detroit, he was also terrible.

I wouldn’t be interested in him at all.

[eyriq]

What did we learn (about AB) from them trading EVERYTHING they could trade to get Bane? And drafting a 6’ lead guard

They traded for an elite off-ball shooter in Bane and drafted a secondary scorer in Jase who thrived as an efficient third option, not a primary ball-handler. Jase played off the ball and posted a very low assist rate in college. These moves don’t signal a shift away from AB. If anything, they reinforce the idea that AB is the point guard of the future and the front office is building around his strengths.

Yeah so their two major moves this offseason were acquiring more guards to eat into AB’s minutes.

What happens when they acquire another guard to handle and distribute? Even if they sign another 2/3 like NAW it makes him more expendable. They are basically the same player with different timeframes.

There are a number of rotations they can roll out to maximize AB. However, it should be pretty telling they were targeting a player like Jase, in the hope that he can run the offense at some point, after drafting AB with a top 10 pick two seasons ago.

What is the argument really? That if Cole Anthony wasn’t abysmal last season that he wouldn’t have been getting a majority of AB’s minutes??? Pretend for one minute that Cole played above average and Suggs had a full healthy season. How much of AB at the point would we really be seeing in a bench unit that simply couldn’t score?

Terrible logic salad. You’re stacking bad takes like a house of cards on a foundation of quicksand. Every argument you push is built on a flawed premise and it’s all colored by your anti-Paolo agenda. Let’s get that out of the way.

Now, to the facts:

Bane replaces KCP as our starting two. He’s a proven third option, one of the best off-ball shooters in the league, a capable secondary playmaker, and clearly an all-in upgrade. If anyone’s role is under pressure, it’s Suggs. He occupies the “third option” salary slot, but he’s shown less playmaking juice than AB and just finished the season injured. He’ll have to show growth as an on-ball player, a secondary creator, and a consistent shooter just to hold his spot.

Jase is a different story. He projects as an efficient scoring guard, not a primary handler. His value goes way up if the playmaking develops, but for now, he’s here to replace Cole as a bench scorer, especially with Jett not looking ready.

And AB? He’s a jumbo playmaker with elite point-of-attack defense, strong rim pressure (his FTr is elite), and double-digit improvement in free throw shooting. He’s trending the right way and remains the clear candidate to take over as the starting point guard long-term.

[GelbeWand09]

Dennis Schroder is not good. I don’t know why people insist he’s good.

He has legitimately only had a single two month stretch of quality basketball in the last like eight years. And that was all of 23 games last year with the Nets who basically allowed him to dominate the ball and he happened to be on fire with his shot.

Once he went to Golden State he was terrible and once he went to Detroit, he was also terrible.

I wouldn’t be interested in him at all.

Yea wrote the same already at the deadline. As a german i would add, he is a potential cancer personality too.

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They traded for an elite off-ball shooter in Bane and drafted a secondary scorer in Jase who thrived as an efficient third option, not a primary ball-handler. Jase played off the ball and posted a very low assist rate in college. These moves don’t signal a shift away from AB. If anything, they reinforce the idea that AB is the point guard of the future and the front office is building around his strengths.

Yeah so their two major moves this offseason were acquiring more guards to eat into AB’s minutes.

What happens when they acquire another guard to handle and distribute? Even if they sign another 2/3 like NAW it makes him more expendable. They are basically the same player with different timeframes.

There are a number of rotations they can roll out to maximize AB. However, it should be pretty telling they were targeting a player like Jase, in the hope that he can run the offense at some point, after drafting AB with a top 10 pick two seasons ago.

What is the argument really? That if Cole Anthony wasn’t abysmal last season that he wouldn’t have been getting a majority of AB’s minutes??? Pretend for one minute that Cole played above average and Suggs had a full healthy season. How much of AB at the point would we really be seeing in a bench unit that simply couldn’t score?

Terrible logic salad. You’re stacking bad takes like a house of cards on a foundation of quicksand. Every argument you push is built on a flawed premise and it’s all colored by your anti-Paolo agenda. Let’s get that out of the way.

Now, to the facts:

Bane replaces KCP as our starting two. He’s a proven third option, one of the best off-ball shooters in the league, a capable secondary playmaker, and clearly an all-in upgrade. If anyone’s role is under pressure, it’s Suggs. He occupies the “third option” salary slot, but he’s shown less playmaking juice than AB and just finished the season injured. He’ll have to show growth as an on-ball player, a secondary creator, and a consistent shooter just to hold his spot.

Jase is a different story. He projects as an efficient scoring guard, not a primary handler. His value goes way up if the playmaking develops, but for now, he’s here to replace Cole as a bench scorer, especially with Jett not looking ready.

And AB? He’s a jumbo playmaker with elite point-of-attack defense, strong rim pressure (his FTr is elite), and double-digit improvement in free throw shooting. He’s trending the right way and remains the clear candidate to take over as the starting point guard long-term.

First off, no. The logic is sound. It's based on minute distribution and skillsets. Pretty simple. You refuted nothing I said.
Second, What in my response has anything to do with Paolo or some kind of agenda against him? You don't like realities of what players have or haven't shown?

Let me guess... you will reach into your advanced metrics bag and pull out some marginal stat that means nothing in context. Want to go off sweater vests instead? How about age when it fits the narrative? Your game is tired.

Oh and I don't disagree at all that Suggs is the odd man out here now. That's what happens when you double and triple down on a system that has no evidence of working as of yet. The entire thing runs on the premise of two things working in theory based on other systems that aren't Orlandos.

1) That there is enough creation and ball movement from Suggs and Bane that it will offset the need for playmaking everywhere else on the floor.
2) That Paolo and Franz are good enough "distributors" (less than 5 assists per game on the highest usage possible and bad turnovers) to also offset this.

If those two things don't work, then Suggs is gone and your idea of this system is dead. Mosely is gone too. It'll be funny though because neither of those people are the direct cause of why the system failed and I think 90% of this board would be aware of that, or at least I would hope so.

Nothing about Anthony Black says "playmaker". Playmaker for who? Himself? Yeah ok we agree on that then. He gets to the line and can drive to the basket on a low finishing rate. If Jase Richardson proves to be as efficient as advertised at scoring the basketball he is not taking Suggs spot off the bat. He's taking AB's.

An above average Cole would have taken AB's minutes. Jase is replacing Cole. Cole started 22 games last season. AB started 10.

[Redick07]

Yes Im sure I dont want to pay big money for a 5 minute wonder who got figured out in playoffs.

You might be right. However, Magic need Jerome much more than Schroder.
I am pretty sure that you are not Magic fan! We don’t need another short guard that can’t shoot…

Im pretty sure you are Cavs fan.

I am sorry you are wrong…. I have been a Magic fan since Shaquille O'Neal was drafted.

It seems like you don’t really know basketball and people….haha

Moreover, you show poor logic. if I am a Cav fan, I really want Jerome to stay. Why I need to say “Magic need him”????? Come on, please use your brain to think first before you say anything….

[GelbeWand09]

The thing is even if its only 1 season with Ty Jerome. This one season is soooo much better than everything Schröder ever produced in the NBA. Jerome had a full season of **** .640 TS. Schröder a HALF season of leaque average TS%, EVERY other season he is horrible ineffective. He is a guy who is not a good shooter but can drive like the best of em when he got shooters around him (what we dont have) but he cant finish his drives. He got a reputation as defender since coming into the leaque but all stats say he is a bad defender EVERY season. He is the typical sham. His game looks good and spectacular because of his speed and good ballhandling. His defense looks good because he brings intensity but in reality all that doesnt work and is super ineffective.

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I get the drawbacks from someone like Schroeder. It's not lost on me.

I just think people severely undervalue how even a player like Corey Jospeh changed the system when he played last season.

Schroeder has far less drawbacks than guys like Dlo, Paul, Brogdon, etc if we are comparing situations. Is he ideal? No. But we are past ideal at this point.

[SOUL]

I get the drawbacks from someone like Schroeder. It's not lost on me.

I just think people severely undervalue how even a player like Corey Jospeh changed the system when he played last season.

Schroeder has far less drawbacks than guys like Dlo, Paul, Brogdon, etc if we are comparing situations. Is he ideal? No. But we are past ideal at this point.

I agree, but to be fair, this only happened because Suggs was out most of the year and AB/Cole was not working out as a starter that well.

The year before we were a 47 win (almost) 4 seed with Suggs being the starter. This year we were a top 3 seed even with injuries with Suggs healthy for 25% of the season.

So there is a direct correlation of Suggs as a starting PG being good for our overall record, where that now also has to reflect is in our team offense improving. I don't think if you replaced Suggs with, say, Tre Jones or Dennis Schroder over the last two seasons the offense would've been top 24 even, and our defense would've been worse. The personnel was just too erratic in general. It would've made for some easier plays for some guys, but open missed shots would still be open missed shots. I think people are woefully misguided that just bringing in a guy slightly better than Suggs as a playmaker would've made massive changes for this team. Cory Joseph looked good in relation to guys like Cole and AB running the team, still way under what Suggs brought.

I do agree that if there was a legit gamechanging all-star guard on the team, then yes, it would look different. Unfortunately those are hard to acquire and would cost quite a bit. We may need it at some point once we figure out who would need to go in that scenario.