Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[pepe1991]

So is Lozo Ball a complete bust too. He shot 36% from the field and 45 from the FT line.

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for 2# pick he is.

Higher you are drafted, higher expetations are.

Wiggins is viewed as draft bust averaging 19 ppg for career because he is not impact player.

[basketballRob]

So is Lozo Ball a complete bust too. He shot 36% from the field and 45 from the FT line.

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for 2# pick he is.

Higher you are drafted, higher expetations are.

Wiggins is viewed as draft bust averaging 19 ppg for career because he is not impact player.

I'm going to hold my judgment until he's old enough to grow a mustache.

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[Last Guardian]

Time to blow it up. I wanted to give this season a chance like I do every year but I'm tired of these players. Its the same offense and defense for 7 years now. Unless we randomly get a star, Vuc, Fournier and AG as your best players doesn't work. Not at all. Time to take some chances, make some trades, maybe (hopefully) be bad enough to get #1-#3 pick. At the very least trade buddy ball for some younger talent if possible.

[pepe1991]

So is Lozo Ball a complete bust too. He shot 36% from the field and 45 from the FT line.

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for 2# pick he is.

Higher you are drafted, higher expetations are.

Wiggins is viewed as draft bust averaging 19 ppg for career because he is not impact player.

I'm going to hold my judgment until he's old enough to grow a mustache.

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Your mindset is fair, they are all bunch of young players ,but things changed since era of basketball where players were 5 years prospects. Today there is simply too many alternatives , in and out of nba (G league, euroleague, China...) to wait for somebody for years. Players come and go in heartbeat.
Just think about guy like Georgios Papagiannis, lottery pick from 2 years ago is already gone from NBA.

2015 draft was good one, yet Hezonja, Mudiay, Kaminsky , Jonhson, Payne (all lottery picks) will all face FA with legit fear NBA is done with them. You can count around 5,6 names from first round of that draft where they will struggle to find job in NBA. And we talk about draft that was 3 years ago.

Do you think Iwundu will be in nba pass 2019 ? Because i don't. That's 33pick from last year.

Reality of today's sports is zero patience because talent pool is simply too big to wait on anybody. Eaither produce or be replaced.

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[basketballRob]

I think we should separate Vuc and Fournier from AG, Bamba, and Isaac in the lineup.

[MoMM]

Steph Curry should take notes and learn with him.

[fendilim]

Steph Curry should take notes and learn with him.

I believ we had him in for a draft workout. lol

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

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Hit me with your list of future star players then. Surely that's pretty integral to 'direction'. And since you don't think we have any (and no, despite Vucevic's strong season I'm not one who considers him a star by any means), and you think that those teams had obviously identifiable stars, I'm curious who else around the league you've identified.

Maybe in 5 years we can go back and see how many of them worked out?

Zion
RJ Barrett

Why don’t we tank properly for once and get a player we can actually build a future around.

Tanking odds have changed now. Bottom 3 have equal odds. So if it’s a 2 horse race, you’re instantly facing tougher odds.

But I agree that they both look like studs. And there are several others who look promising, like every draft year.

What about players presently in the league though? Ones we’ve seen playing in the pros already.

7 years into the rebuild and we are still hopeless.

This is still the same Hennigan team with some minor wrinkles on it.

DJ- Henny
Fournier- Henny
AG- Henny
Isaac- WeHam
Vuc- Henny

So when 80% of our starting lineup is made up of Hennigan guys who for 5 years couldn’t amount to anything, do we expect any different results?

A square is a square. Can’t make it into a triangle unless you get a triangle somehow.

[fendilim]

I wouldn't say Isaac is as bad as Chriss. Although I think Isaac could use some more aggressiveness on his game. There's too much physical attributes of him being wasted without a high motor, IMO. He's got skills, but he is being tentative.

The same issue before the draft, that many attributed of the his college coach's scheme. But the same problem still persists today, even on defense.

[BadHombre]

Zion
RJ Barrett

Why don’t we tank properly for once and get a player we can actually build a future around.

Tanking odds have changed now. Bottom 3 have equal odds. So if it’s a 2 horse race, you’re instantly facing tougher odds.

But I agree that they both look like studs. And there are several others who look promising, like every draft year.

What about players presently in the league though? Ones we’ve seen playing in the pros already.

7 years into the rebuild and we are still hopeless.

This is still the same Hennigan team with some minor wrinkles on it.

DJ- Henny
Fournier- Henny
AG- Henny
Isaac- WeHam
Vuc- Henny

So when 80% of our starting lineup is made up of Hennigan guys who for 5 years couldn’t amount to anything, do we expect any different results?

A square is a square. Can’t make it into a triangle unless you get a triangle somehow.

Yeah, I think that’s a reasonable take. Each of those players has the ability to play a core role on a good team, but they have struggled to get it done here. I don’t think it means you need to ship them all out. They may have stagnated for a few years here but they could still look a lot better in a new environment (ie, Oladipo, Harris, etc).

[rcklsscognition]

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Each Orlando Magic coach of the rebuild has eventually come to this public quote. Each one. They say they have the answers during their job interview, they get hired, they blow some smoke up the player's asses in training camp. Then we hit a rough patch, coach says they're going to make some rotation changes and that'll fix it right up!

It does, for like 3 games, then another rough patch. Coach says they've got to keep fighting and we have some sort of a "must win" setup. We fail at it.

Coach eventually full-on breaks down and admits defeat. This is when they are usually fired to be honest. Clifford got here pretty fast, but looking at his quote, he's one stage before the end I think, he doesn't quite go there like the others eventually did. Skiles mentioned these words on January 15th or 16th I think. Vogel was in February sometime I believe. Vaughn maybe even said them in his job interview, probably.

All I can say is that I'm glad Clifford is saying it. I hope he is a force that enables some change because this is some bush-league basketball we are watching. We got 1 point guard and 1 g-league not drafted guy who is 50lbs overweight in the most critical position to this team and we not only didn't draft anyone to help, but then almost seemingly avoided trying to get any players that would help correct the deficiencies of our other players.

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[Optimus_Steel]

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Each Orlando Magic coach of the rebuild has eventually come to this public quote. Each one. They say they have the answers during their job interview, they get hired, they blow some smoke up the player's asses in training camp. Then we hit a rough patch, coach says they're going to make some rotation changes and that'll fix it right up!

It does, for like 3 games, then another rough patch. Coach says they've got to keep fighting and we have some sort of a "must win" setup. We fail at it.

Coach eventually full-on breaks down and admits defeat. This is when they are usually fired to be honest. Clifford got here pretty fast, but looking at his quote, he's one stage before the end I think, he doesn't quite go there like the others eventually did. Skiles mentioned these words on January 15th or 16th I think. Vogel was in February sometime I believe. Vaughn maybe even said them in his job interview, probably.

All I can say is that I'm glad Clifford is saying it. I hope he is a force that enables some change because this is some bush-league basketball we are watching. We got 1 point guard and 1 g-league not drafted guy who is 50lbs overweight in the most critical position to this team and we not only didn't draft anyone to help, but then almost seemingly avoided trying to get any players that would help correct the deficiencies of our other players.

I've been saying for 3 seasons now that our biggest problem is not the defense its the offense. Shooting and scoring have been our main weaknesses for years now since this rebuild took effect and it has not been addressed. We hear fans and sometimes even team officials talk about our need to improve defense while completely ignoring the fact that we cant score worth a damm. This is not the 90s era of smashmouth basketball, big man play and focus on defense. In the current age teams are routinely setting 3pt and scoring records, the big man has been marginalized, spacing and pace has been maximized. Every team in the league is scoring over 100 a game. In this modern era almost every draft pick has been spent on "defenders" that have no offensive game, and the only one that was not (Mario) turned out to be a moody bench player from a Euro team and a total loser. This team has been bottom 5 in scoring and in all sorts of offensive categories just about every year of the rebuild yet team management wants to act like we are still in the 90s. Its not the defense its the offense. The defense looks so bad because the offense is so terrible and the players kind of just go thru the motions knowing they can't keep up the scoring with the other team, it also does not help they are missing so many shots that they are back on their heals on defense instead of the opposing team having to inbound the ball. They just crack and give up the defense.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Tanking odds have changed now. Bottom 3 have equal odds. So if it’s a 2 horse race, you’re instantly facing tougher odds.

But I agree that they both look like studs. And there are several others who look promising, like every draft year.

What about players presently in the league though? Ones we’ve seen playing in the pros already.

7 years into the rebuild and we are still hopeless.

This is still the same Hennigan team with some minor wrinkles on it.

DJ- Henny
Fournier- Henny
AG- Henny
Isaac- WeHam
Vuc- Henny

So when 80% of our starting lineup is made up of Hennigan guys who for 5 years couldn’t amount to anything, do we expect any different results?

A square is a square. Can’t make it into a triangle unless you get a triangle somehow.

Yeah, I think that’s a reasonable take. Each of those players has the ability to play a core role on a good team, but they have struggled to get it done here. I don’t think it means you need to ship them all out. They may have stagnated for a few years here but they could still look a lot better in a new environment (ie, Oladipo, Harris, etc).

I think someone we should resign is T-Ross. He would be a fantastic bench player and solid veteran for our younger guys.

I've been a strong advocate for trading Vuc not because I think he sucks- rather he would be better off as the 4th option on a contender and we could get an asset.

Fournier is deadweight right now so I don't think we can get out of that.

No one is going to trade young talent for anyone on this roster unless we are ready to give up Isaac and Bamba.

Also no free agent is running to Orlando to play with Vuc. And trust me I seriously doubt Vuc is going to get into the AllStar game. It is a marketing scheme by Martins knowing that the Magic are continuously become irrelevant in Orlando.

So whats their left? Tank and hope we land a high pick and draft a stud.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

We've lost 9 games by 20+ points this year..... 5 yes 5 of those 9 games have come since DECEMBER 1st. It's becoming more obvious as every game goes by the proper option is not push for a playoff spot and instead recoup assets for Vuc, TRoss, Simms and maybe 1 of AG, Isaac.

I'm all for trying to find a way to get DLo from the Nets by Feb 9th..

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[drsd]

I am amazed by the above comments.

The Magic needs more offense, so lets trade the two best offensive players ?!?!?!?!?

WIthout Vučević and Ross, the Magic would be nowhere.

[rcklsscognition]

I am amazed by the above comments.

The Magic needs more offense, so lets trade the two best offensive players ?!?!?!?!?

WIthout Vučević and Ross, the Magic would be nowhere.

Well therein lies the problem. The other players on the team are worthless. We're pretty well screwed right now. Too many of the roads out of this place they've gotten us to lead to dead ends or go right off cliffs.

[VFX]

I am amazed by the above comments.

The Magic needs more offense, so lets trade the two best offensive players ?!?!?!?!?

WIthout Vučević and Ross, the Magic would be nowhere.

Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to truly reinvest in what’s been missing. Unfortunately for the Magic, most of the value is wrapped up in players that need to be flipped in order to make bigger changes. That’s the only way this franchise will see its way out of the hole that was dug 6+ years ago.

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Each Orlando Magic coach of the rebuild has eventually come to this public quote. Each one. They say they have the answers during their job interview, they get hired, they blow some smoke up the player's asses in training camp. Then we hit a rough patch, coach says they're going to make some rotation changes and that'll fix it right up!

It does, for like 3 games, then another rough patch. Coach says they've got to keep fighting and we have some sort of a "must win" setup. We fail at it.

Coach eventually full-on breaks down and admits defeat. This is when they are usually fired to be honest. Clifford got here pretty fast, but looking at his quote, he's one stage before the end I think, he doesn't quite go there like the others eventually did. Skiles mentioned these words on January 15th or 16th I think. Vogel was in February sometime I believe. Vaughn maybe even said them in his job interview, probably.

All I can say is that I'm glad Clifford is saying it. I hope he is a force that enables some change because this is some bush-league basketball we are watching. We got 1 point guard and 1 g-league not drafted guy who is 50lbs overweight in the most critical position to this team and we not only didn't draft anyone to help, but then almost seemingly avoided trying to get any players that would help correct the deficiencies of our other players.

I’ll be a fan of Clifford if he can actually promote change structurally to the roster without taking shortcuts. I want to see what he can do with an offense built from the ground up.