pepe1991 wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
I can't recall what was last year where not a single allstar was moved. I really tried. Last 15 years all had at least one.
This year it was D'angelo Russell. Last year bunch of allstars were moved around.
Chances are not slim at all. Most teams, much like Magic, refuse to make that type of move because they overvalue their assets.
Just in February, when i suggest i would do Donovan MItchell trade, lot of people shut me down telling how he is just a guy and how Gobert is best Jazz player. This playoffs once again showed how overvalued single person defense is and how you can't build anything around defenive center.
Over years i wanted Malik Beasly trade at least twice.
Jamal Murray - for Gordon trade , at least 5 times.
Vuc for Hayward and one of billion Nets picks- at least 5 times.
Back in 2018 i wanted to do Irving trade. Once again, bunch of people here were outraged over my idea of selling farm for established allstars. In hindsight that trade, with solid menagment would probably lead to Magic landing Durant
And that's pretty much same issue with this, or any other fans forum. Each and every fanbase overhypes and overvalues assets and young players. To the point where they won't sell some future nobody for established star because of "Potential".
I mean just remember days when Gordon was new, just more athletic Kawhi ,according to some, and Payton was "making poster fall in love in basketball again". It's laughable what fans say. Worst front offices are ones who actually listen or care what fans think. Fans opinion is irrelevant to sucess of a team. What we say here should have zero value for them.
Ezzzp was too egoistic and "always right even if it means talking about some point to oblivion " type of poster, but he said a lot of right stuff. Magic fans on this forum just want to tank to get rid of 2 players. That's pretty much only reason.
There is portion of fans who don't understand that Evan option out, will not make ANY difference for Orlando, as they will still have NO cap space to sign anybody. Him leaving is literally- one asset less. ZEEEEERO gain. Why root for something that makes your team worst in both playing and asset department?
There is portion of fans who hate DJ because he "east Fultz playing time ", where in reality it's other way around. Fult plays more despite being inferior player. All worst lineups say same thing - Fultz is member of all of them, DJ is member of all the best.
I won't even go into whole Bamba thing. IT's like wasting time to develop Andrew Nicholson into Olympic sprinter. "but but but wingspan, potential" yea , he can use that wingspan to learn to fly, it will take less time than learning how to play basketball at this level.
Without wishing to interfere in that discussion, but i read that Murray thing a lot from you lately. I can remember that good, but it was already at a time were Murray was much more valuable than AG. Its like saying now, lets trade for Tyler Herro or SGA. Wont happen.
I mean i liked Murray since i saw him for the Canadian national team at the Pan American Games in 2015 as a Highschooler. I watched some games because of Nicholson, but Murray was the best player on the floor & dropped 22 Points vs the US in the final quarter & OT as a kid vs. adults. He was always a bigger asset than everything we had, except a hypothetical injury free version of Isaac.
There was never a window for a AG for Murray trade in my opinion.
The Malik Beasley trade ideas were posted here by several members too.
Vuc for Hayward (+ picks anyway) was never realistic too.
And we had never peaces to get Mitchell past his summerleaque explosion as a rookie. Props if you said that at the draft, but not in 2020.
These are all great trade ideas by you but if you are honest, nothing was realistic.Re: NCAA Tournament
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Post#152 » by pepe1991 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:38 pm
PrimeShaq wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
PrimeShaq wrote:
You're comparing apples and oranges here. He's lightyears ahead of Isaac in terms of offense, but Isaac is the superior defender. Not only that, but most scouts have Bagley as a center longterm in the NBA while Isaac is a 3/4. They are two completely different prospects.
Can we just call it what it is... there is nothing that says small forward about Isaac to me. His defensive contribution has been his rim protection, I haven't seen him move his feet much on the perimeter. Offensively it isn't even close, he doesn't have the game of an SF. Ultimately I guess it doesn't really matter, I just have been hoping he could up his calories and be the center of the future because I think he'd thrive there. Even though I feel this way I still love your sig lol.
Haha appreciate it bro. At this stage you are right. His game offensively atm is too raw to play SF. I’m not ready to pigeonhole him into anything yet though and say that he can’t/won’t be this or he definitely will play this position. I really want to see him get a summer with Forcier and start developing his game. It’s really going to depend on him developing a much tighter handle and gaining confidence in his shot at the NBA level.
If he can do those things and add the off the dribble dimension to his game I think it’s definitely a possibility he could become a 3/4 hybrid guy with AG. I’m not sure how long that will take though. The game is going to have to slow down for him offensively and he is going to have to add to it before we know for sure. I’m open to 3/4/5 right now.
Given his asthma problems would it be easier to him to play big man over SF in general? Big guys tend to move less ,but game is more physical for them. Jimmy Butler, at SF , in 2016 lead whole league in average distance per game ,2,76 miles.
I never saw anything SF-ish in isaac comming from college, in nba it just got more clear. Ofc over years he could and should develop ballhandling and shooting off dribble, passing . But that skillset will be "force fed" to him, not something he is comfortable doing naturally.
Because of that i'm hesitateing about idea of drafting another big man. How many min you can distribute to that guy, Isaac and Gordon and make it work and shouldn't lottery be way how to build your starting 5 ,than figure bench later instad of adding players that don't fit ? ( Hello 2014 all over again when Oladipo got Payton to ruin him ).
Maybe best Magic solution is to trade Gordon for guard. Example- Jamal Murray and Nuggets pick for Gordon and salary dump to make it work. ( Murray is easly one of most talented young guards in nba that nobody pays notice because he plays in Denver , guy is 20 and averaging 16,4 ppg on 58% TS)
wanted it 2 and half years ago.
It wasn't that outrages trade idea really. Gordon come off 17,6 ppg season, at age of 21, Murray 16,7 ppg at age of 20.
I never bought idea of Isaac playing SF, and in post i talked about it. So i wanted to trade Gordon for young guard with star potential. In hindsight it was missed opportunity, as Gordon's value over year dipped, and Magic never found star guard.
Man i'm crying for good shooter for 4 years now
Yea since T-Mac our best scoring guard was probably freaking Steve Francis.
In general i think its easier to trade for a draft position. After they are drafted and show promise its almost impossible. We should have been more aggressive at draft night in the last 8 years.
