Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[jezzerinho]

I'd be very happy if we snagged any of the following (I'm picking from teams who are likely to deal with us and ignoring players/teams who arent on the market):

Sexton (Utah)
Dunn (Utah)
Monk (Sac)
Joe (OKC)
Caruso (Chi)
Jones (Wash)
Jones (NOP)
Moody (GSW)
Simons (Port)
Walker (Brk)
White (Chi)

Obviously different prices for different players, but that's the pool I'd be swimming in.

Outside of dejounte murray fanatasies....Alex Caruso is definitely someone on that list that I would absolutely love in our starting backcourt with suggs. He's like a a suggs but... under control. A player I hope suggs emulated and surpasses.

Our D would be insane. But he's also very efficient offensively.

[The Real Dalic]

Someone I'm surprised is not mentioned as being available is Gordon Hayward. I'm sure a contender could use him. I also don't get keeping him in Charlotte. I wouldn't mind him as either the starting SG or a backup SF. But Idk if the Hornets are trading him or not.

[eyriq]

From "friend"

#1 target is Tyus

Brogdon & Lowry & Paul being discussed

Not pursuing Murray, Simons, or Trae but still listening

Have called on Kispert, Royce, Merrill, and Doug

Rival teams calling about Suggs & JI availability

Hey davey my guy, any insight into who we are trying to move?

[yoyojw17]

Actually.... Not sure if possible

Cole + WCJ + 1st round pick 2024 + 1st round pick from denver or orlando in 2025 for dejounte murray!

Murray/Fultz/Black
Suggs/Black/Hostan
Franz/Ingles/Howard
Paolo/Isaac
Goga/Mo

Trade harris & Okeke future pick + cap relief for a team... or let them expire and add to the offseason. Not sure how much money we will have at this point.... but hopefully we can get something good and of need.

Nic Claxton maybe?

But as suggs, franz, and Paolo resign... things will be through the roof.

[Skybox]

I'd be very happy if we snagged any of the following (I'm picking from teams who are likely to deal with us and ignoring players/teams who arent on the market):

Sexton (Utah)
Dunn (Utah)
Monk (Sac)
Joe (OKC)
Caruso (Chi)
Jones (Wash)
Jones (NOP)
Moody (GSW)
Simons (Port)
Walker (Brk)
White (Chi)

Obviously different prices for different players, but that's the pool I'd be swimming in.

Outside of dejounte murray fanatasies....Alex Caruso is definitely someone on that list that I would absolutely love in our starting backcourt with suggs. He's like a a suggs but... under control. A player I hope suggs emulated and surpasses.

Our D would be insane. But he's also very efficient offensively.

...and Caruso destroyed his career scoring average this year with a whopping 10.02 ppg career high.

He'll probably cost one mediocre frp less than Murray...who is better in a hundred ways.

[Skybox]

AB to me is kind of the guard version of Franz. Franz had the advantage of having played with grown men in Alba and then 2 years in a good college programme.

AB is behind experience wise, but I think its fair to expect a similar trajectory - smart 2-way player with good footwork, 3-level scoring potential, plus vision and unselfish to the point of deferential.

Love the comparison, I agree

Not saying they'll both end up at the same level of player, but they've got that team-first gene and are both clearly very hard workers.

They're both tall...that's honestly it.

[Knightro]

Excellent post. Really crystalizes the fact the Magic have 1 year from now to take advantage of the cap space they've been saving. Clock is ticking.

Think about it like this...

The Magic really have 4 opportunities left to improve the talent level of their roster before Paolo's max (which will be their 2nd max deal on the books) extension kicks in and their cap situation is not all that flexible anymore.

2024 trade deadline
2024 summer
2025 trade deadline
2025 summer

Obviously you can't force things if they aren't there, but punting on half of your remaining opportunities seems needlessly risky and conservative.

Paolo will only have completed his 3rd season in the summer of 2025.

22-23: rookie season
23-24: 2nd season
24-25: 3rd season
25-26: 4th season
26-27: extension starts

We’d have another trade deadline and another offseason to continue making moves in 25-26, when Wendell is an expiring and Franz and Suggs are on their extensions.

3 years until the team becomes financially clogged up by rookie extensions.

Paolo’s extension kicks in on the first day of the league year, which is July 1, 2026.

So it will be in effect ahead of free agency that summer.

[Bensational]

Think about it like this...

The Magic really have 4 opportunities left to improve the talent level of their roster before Paolo's max (which will be their 2nd max deal on the books) extension kicks in and their cap situation is not all that flexible anymore.

2024 trade deadline
2024 summer
2025 trade deadline
2025 summer

Obviously you can't force things if they aren't there, but punting on half of your remaining opportunities seems needlessly risky and conservative.

Paolo will only have completed his 3rd season in the summer of 2025.

22-23: rookie season
23-24: 2nd season
24-25: 3rd season
25-26: 4th season
26-27: extension starts

We’d have another trade deadline and another offseason to continue making moves in 25-26, when Wendell is an expiring and Franz and Suggs are on their extensions.

3 years until the team becomes financially clogged up by rookie extensions.

Paolo’s extension kicks in on the first day of the league year, which is July 1, 2026.

So it will be in effect ahead of free agency that summer.

Still another trade deadline and draft night prior to that free agency for the team to make additions before Paolo and Franz are taking up $70-80M of cap space. So there’s another potential season of flexibility you aren’t accounting for, but if they make moves prior to then they might’ve already eaten into that flexibility.

[doct3r dr3]

Might've been posted already, but how would folks feel about getting D'Angelo Russell? Supposing we get in as a third team in a Dejounte to LAL deal or something.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Might've been posted already, but how would folks feel about getting D'Angelo Russell? Supposing we get in as a third team in a Dejounte to LAL deal or something.

As long as we’re just giving up an expiring and no picks. Don’t think he fits FO’s mindset though.

[RichCollab]

We riding it out. Fultz or bust.

[89Magicfan]

We riding it out. Fultz or bust.

I will be incredibly disappointed in this FO if that indeed happens.

[Skin]

Lonzo Ball is a comp, a more athletic, less scoring oriented Cade is another comp. He's going to be a stud though, right there as a prospect with Suggs.

Lonzo is not a fair comparison for AB because first and foremost, Lonzo is a playmaker who put up double digit assists with consistency. AB just doesn't have that vision and players just don't develop that once they enter the league.

I don't see Cade either. I'm really starting to think you're not being fair to yourself in your expectations of what he can become.

I grabbed the Cade comp from the draft board, my favorite poster over there mentioned it back during the draft. Lonzo is from the internet, just a common mention. Brown, Kemba, and SGA come up from personal analysis of their college production, and are the ones that I'll officially claim as opinions.

My conclusion at the time of the draft was that he was a top 6 prospect with a high ceiling as a lockdown defender, playmaker, and scorer. My opinion hasn't changed after watching him this year, in fact he's better than I thought he'd be.

I'm happy to be in the minority on him, I feel good about thinking he's got all-star potential, but more importantly he's just going to contribute to winning at an extremely high rate.

OK, but as a PG, he's a below average passer, below avg ball handler (for a PG), a timid scorer, and an opportunistic shooter without explosive athleticism. So that's a hard place to start. Defense and size, I'll give him. But I need more in order to put him in the air you loft him up with.

[Skybox]

Might've been posted already, but how would folks feel about getting D'Angelo Russell? Supposing we get in as a third team in a Dejounte to LAL deal or something.

Can't be happy being the bridesmaids...helping the varsity out.

[The Real Dalic]

Might've been posted already, but how would folks feel about getting D'Angelo Russell? Supposing we get in as a third team in a Dejounte to LAL deal or something.

I wouldn't mind. He's a streaky player that will likely shoot you out of some games. But when he's got it going, he's a guy that can win you a game from time to time.

I trust our elite defense to bail him out of those poor shooting nights.

[Skybox]

My son said he read somewhere a discussion of Demar DeRozan to ORL...never crossed my mind, but...

he's not a 3pt shooter, but he's most definitely a bona fide scoring threat and known to be a pretty good facilitator (avg 5.6 apg over the last 7 seasons). Expiring deal experiment?

ORL sends: Fultz, Harris, 2 srps
CHI sends: DeRozan

[RookieStar]

My son said he read somewhere a discussion of Demar DeRozan to ORL...never crossed my mind, but...

he's not a 3pt shooter, but he's most definitely a bona fide scoring threat and known to be a pretty good facilitator (avg 5.6 apg over the last 7 seasons). Expiring deal experiment?

ORL sends: Fultz, Harris, 2 srps
CHI sends: DeRozan

Yeah no....i wouldnt expect CHI to be atrafing partner for at least the next 3 years or something.

[bigdogdylan5]

Fan base needs to give up on all these shooters who play bad defense with Simon being chief among them. Magic aren’t trading for them. They have said and showed they want a length and defense versatility is number 1. All the shooters they have gotten have length Jett and Houston. Even Harris was a good defender and a shooter second.

On the other hand, they drafted and extended Cole .

No one ever called Cole a shooter. A scorer yes not a shooter.

Also like 15th pick. They thought he was undervalued being top 2 player in HS class and having injuries slowed him down in college

[byeganyo]

My son said he read somewhere a discussion of Demar DeRozan to ORL...never crossed my mind, but...

he's not a 3pt shooter, but he's most definitely a bona fide scoring threat and known to be a pretty good facilitator (avg 5.6 apg over the last 7 seasons). Expiring deal experiment?

ORL sends: Fultz, Harris, 2 srps
CHI sends: DeRozan

I wont mind him, another guy to draw fouls, he doesnt shoot threes, is old and not a good defender, but still will improve our scoring (if he comes from the bench) and putting other tems in foul trouble may be is our A, B and C plan.

[djguevara114]

Here is my hope but also somewhat realistic?

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/D8VXuwAzGWbkLn

Magic find a Ingles replacement… Sign Lowery when he gets bought out… Coach Mo finally builds line-ups that work…

WCJ / Mo / Goga
Banchero / Isaac / Advija
Wagner / Ingles / Advija / Jett
Harris / Suggs / Houstan / Jett
Fultz / Lowery / Black