jonbob17 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:jonbob17 wrote:
He additionally said 2021 looks the same.
This is the best freshman class in a long time.
Cade is 6'8", can pass, shoot, and play defense. His explosiveness is good enough. He has elite vision and creates angles. There was a recent Slovenian that had similar criticisms. OK State is terrible, and he may have made a mistake going there, but that doesn't mean he is any less good.
Same goes for Green in the G League, he doesn't have less talent now. Same for Ball last year going to New Zealand. Those may have been bad decisions and moved their developmental path.
Even the guys struggling in college like Boston or Zaire. They are 6'7" / 6'8" and can shoot or at least project to shoot. You can't teach that size/skill combination.
Cade commited 22 turovers 23 assists.
For guy who rides 27,5% usage rate, playing against crappy competition and racking just 18,8 ppg on 3,8 apg isn't that impressive. College, as it is, is already very bad competition as some mirror toward nba, and Cade only plays against worst among the worst. Half of the teams he faced so far are yet to win 3 games.
He isn't playmaker, he is player who gets the ball because he is best player on a team. it's such a common thing among youth competitions. Best player gets the ball the most,regardless of what "position" he should be playing.
If you look at stats, Marcus Smart averaged 18,8 ppg, 4,8 apg at college and never really was playmaker in nba.
Competition changed, it was obvious some skills with him flat out won't translate, him being bouncy, bulky guard worked at college because his huge frame shielded him, but in nba he was just chubby looking shorty.
His efficiency numbers are very good, but again, he is yet to play anybody good.
Ball is pretty awful , did you watch those preseason games? His only positive ( very, very limited sample) is that he might be able to rebound ok in rookie year(s).
He really can't shoot nor run offense, to young ,too unexperienced, too wild, lacks any control.
Luka does not belong in this conversation, that boy could retire at 18 , never play in nba, and be in conversation for basketball HOF. It's like comparing Fiat Punto and and Le Ferrari.
NBA average size is 6'7. It's impressive when you are highschool boy, in nba, being 6'7 means at average 250 players are taller than you.
I don't know how you think these guys are awful, or if someone that 6'7" and can shoot (or pass) the ball is a not commodity. I think you mentioned recently you are just coming around on Trae being a playmaker when he was one of the best in the league last year.
If you can't see skill and talent before the player is a labeled great then, yah, sure wait for it. Sounds fun.
Trae was sky high usage rate ryder. It's not THAT hard to rack up bunch of assists if literally 50 possessions a game ends up with you either shooting or holding ball until 80% of time.
Young never, and i mean never played on a team that had any benefits from him being be all-do all guy. Hawks for 2 yeras straight, were terrible offensive team with him at helm. I won't even go there and talk about defense. There is non.
This is year one of truth what Trae is. What is he? Stat chasing Kevin Martin, Stephano Marbury, Steve Francis guy who will just get his and make nobody around better, or he is actually play-maker, who understands how to set a team but also can lit up and shoot at any moment . Steve Nash type guy.
I'm also interested to see is he actually good shooter, or just good volumen shooter, because if you wrack 11 threes on given night, making 4 will make you 36% shooter and making 3 will make you 33,33% shooter, where it does't look bad for personal data, it's kind a terrible for a team, that wastes 11 FGA for 9 points.
